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            <title>Comment #1 by Matt</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:50:18 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I'm amazed</strong></p><p>That the man was able to complete a sentence well enough for someone to make sense enough of it to "sum up" anything!</p><p>
Good Job, Dubya! Those meda are wonderful, aren't they?

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				<p><strong>I'm amazed</strong></p><p>That the man was able to complete a sentence well enough for someone to make sense enough of it to "sum up" anything!</p><p>
Good Job, Dubya! Those meda are wonderful, aren't they?

<p>If you continue to do what you've always done you'll continue to get what you've always got.
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            <title>Comment #2 by Sean Casten</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:36:29 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Where's a hobgoblin when you want one?</strong></p><p>He led off that speech by noting that "America's got to change its habits. It's got to get off oil."</p><p>
So we've got a simple mind in the white house. &nbsp;And consistency is the hobgoblin of simple minds. &nbsp;Would it therefore be too much to hope that this might immediately be followed by an announcement that we're going to roll back some of those oil &amp; gas tax breaks to fund renewables and energy efficiency that keeps getting stalled in the senate? &nbsp;It would be consistent, no?</p><p>
Hope springeth eternal...</p>
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				<p><strong>Where's a hobgoblin when you want one?</strong></p><p>He led off that speech by noting that "America's got to change its habits. It's got to get off oil."</p><p>
So we've got a simple mind in the white house. &nbsp;And consistency is the hobgoblin of simple minds. &nbsp;Would it therefore be too much to hope that this might immediately be followed by an announcement that we're going to roll back some of those oil &amp; gas tax breaks to fund renewables and energy efficiency that keeps getting stalled in the senate? &nbsp;It would be consistent, no?</p><p>
Hope springeth eternal...</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:39:21 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Sad to say</strong></p><p>Not many around here have followed the failing fortunes of fuel farming either. &nbsp;</p><p>
Once and for all could we give the invisible elephant in the room a paint job? &nbsp; When biomass is guzzled as gas, the carbon sink activity of the soil is rendered null and void. Sugar cane, wood chips, corn, beets, whatever... </p><p>
No way around it. Biomass that goes up into the atmosphere as GHG from a tail pipe does not go into the ground to build a healthy, carbon sink soil ecosystem.</p><p>
And because of the late stage of addressing GHG climate disaster, not only curtailing as much GHG emmission as possible is necessary, but as much carbon sink activity as possible must also be restored.

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				<p><strong>Sad to say</strong></p><p>Not many around here have followed the failing fortunes of fuel farming either. &nbsp;</p><p>
Once and for all could we give the invisible elephant in the room a paint job? &nbsp; When biomass is guzzled as gas, the carbon sink activity of the soil is rendered null and void. Sugar cane, wood chips, corn, beets, whatever... </p><p>
No way around it. Biomass that goes up into the atmosphere as GHG from a tail pipe does not go into the ground to build a healthy, carbon sink soil ecosystem.</p><p>
And because of the late stage of addressing GHG climate disaster, not only curtailing as much GHG emmission as possible is necessary, but as much carbon sink activity as possible must also be restored.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by kmp</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:59:18 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Don't be silly, Tom</strong></p><p>Dubya can't actually read.</p>
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				<p><strong>Don't be silly, Tom</strong></p><p>Dubya can't actually read.</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by Pompey Road</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 01:05:28 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Side Benefit:</strong></p><p>At least with sugar cane you get a high btu product that comes closer to working and you use the waste to fuel the next batch. </p><p>
Not even the answer for a country that sucks up as much fuel as we do but if you use this food product and drive the price sky high on it you will get the side benefit of shrinking some large fat ass americans. Maybe then they could get more into walking and make a healthier nation. </p><p>
Stop all grain sales and give away's &nbsp;for shipment over seas until the food prices for the american consumer goes down. When you dry up the world market then start charging OPEC $100 dollars a bushel for corn, wheat, barley. It will not take long to force some economic and environmental sanity upon the system. </p><p>
You talk about soil depletion, did you ever try to raise corn in Saudi Arabia. 

<p>The eons of time and nature was good to us down here. It was not until we become civilized that destroying our habitat become fathomable or fashionable.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Side Benefit:</strong></p><p>At least with sugar cane you get a high btu product that comes closer to working and you use the waste to fuel the next batch. </p><p>
Not even the answer for a country that sucks up as much fuel as we do but if you use this food product and drive the price sky high on it you will get the side benefit of shrinking some large fat ass americans. Maybe then they could get more into walking and make a healthier nation. </p><p>
Stop all grain sales and give away's &nbsp;for shipment over seas until the food prices for the american consumer goes down. When you dry up the world market then start charging OPEC $100 dollars a bushel for corn, wheat, barley. It will not take long to force some economic and environmental sanity upon the system. </p><p>
You talk about soil depletion, did you ever try to raise corn in Saudi Arabia. 

<p>The eons of time and nature was good to us down here. It was not until we become civilized that destroying our habitat become fathomable or fashionable.</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by Solar John</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 01:51:12 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Stop Blaming W</strong></p><p>"W" is certainly no friend of the environment, but it's time to stop blaming him, and to start doing your part. &nbsp;Every time you flip on a light switch, you become part of the problem. &nbsp;Forget about the grandiose political speeches about the future of renewables. &nbsp;Our leadership says one thing, but does just the opposite. &nbsp;We can wait no longer for help from them. &nbsp;Too often we get hung up on the "payback" of a PV system. &nbsp;Instead of going forward, we decide to wait until the price come down. &nbsp;Meanwhile, our air, water, and land becomes more polluted each day. &nbsp;God only knows how much suffering and how many premature deaths are caused by burning fossil fuels. &nbsp;It's time to take matters into our own hands. &nbsp;When people lead, leaders follow. &nbsp;Let's Roll!

<p>Solar John</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Stop Blaming W</strong></p><p>"W" is certainly no friend of the environment, but it's time to stop blaming him, and to start doing your part. &nbsp;Every time you flip on a light switch, you become part of the problem. &nbsp;Forget about the grandiose political speeches about the future of renewables. &nbsp;Our leadership says one thing, but does just the opposite. &nbsp;We can wait no longer for help from them. &nbsp;Too often we get hung up on the "payback" of a PV system. &nbsp;Instead of going forward, we decide to wait until the price come down. &nbsp;Meanwhile, our air, water, and land becomes more polluted each day. &nbsp;God only knows how much suffering and how many premature deaths are caused by burning fossil fuels. &nbsp;It's time to take matters into our own hands. &nbsp;When people lead, leaders follow. &nbsp;Let's Roll!

<p>Solar John</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 02:43:13 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Let's roll.</strong></p><p>Maybe you rolled one too many already if you want to stop blaming duuhbya. &nbsp;Just say no.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Let's roll.</strong></p><p>Maybe you rolled one too many already if you want to stop blaming duuhbya. &nbsp;Just say no.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 02:46:42 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Saudi agribizz<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrigation_in_Saudi_Arabia" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrigation_in_Saudi_Arabia<p>
Lots of water abuse, GMO crops, and chemicals. &nbsp;It's the US model, go figure. 

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				<p><strong>Saudi agribizz<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrigation_in_Saudi_Arabia" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrigation_in_Saudi_Arabia<p>
Lots of water abuse, GMO crops, and chemicals. &nbsp;It's the US model, go figure. 

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by Solar John</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:49:54 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>keep blaming others then....</strong></p><p>...and you'll get nowhere. &nbsp;

<p>Solar John</p></p>
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				<p><strong>keep blaming others then....</strong></p><p>...and you'll get nowhere. &nbsp;

<p>Solar John</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by Biodiversivist</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:52:39 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Not to mention, Branson didn't use cellulosic<p>He blended some biodiesel provided by Washington State's own Imperium (made from Canadian food crops, not American) into the kerosene jet fuel. Jet engines are not picky about what you feed them, as long as you feed them a lot.<p>
The Head of Imperium just "stepped down" after they canceled their IPO (initial public offering for stock) for $345 million. They have also laid off employees. Something is rotten in Denmark.<p>
Allowing the investment of millions of dollars of Seattle government employees' retirement funds in Imperium was not only questionable ethically, but is now looking questionable financially. 

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Not to mention, Branson didn't use cellulosic<p>He blended some biodiesel provided by Washington State's own Imperium (made from Canadian food crops, not American) into the kerosene jet fuel. Jet engines are not picky about what you feed them, as long as you feed them a lot.<p>
The Head of Imperium just "stepped down" after they canceled their IPO (initial public offering for stock) for $345 million. They have also laid off employees. Something is rotten in Denmark.<p>
Allowing the investment of millions of dollars of Seattle government employees' retirement funds in Imperium was not only questionable ethically, but is now looking questionable financially. 

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #11 by Tom Philpott</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:59:01 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>You clearly don't understand, Biod...<p>You're getting lost in details. Cellulosic, biodiesel, kerosene jet fuel. Who cares? The message is: BIOFUELS RULE!!!!!!!<p>
Don't forget it. 

<p><a href="http://grist.org/cgi-bin/search.pl?gristcat=Victual%20Reality&amp;sort=gristdate&amp;reverse=on&amp;archives=yes" rel="nofollow">Victual Reality</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>You clearly don't understand, Biod...<p>You're getting lost in details. Cellulosic, biodiesel, kerosene jet fuel. Who cares? The message is: BIOFUELS RULE!!!!!!!<p>
Don't forget it. 

<p><a href="http://grist.org/cgi-bin/search.pl?gristcat=Victual%20Reality&amp;sort=gristdate&amp;reverse=on&amp;archives=yes" rel="nofollow">Victual Reality</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #12 by trock</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 04:35:35 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>it's not laws, it's the right laws.</strong></p><p>It's not the making of biofuels that we need. &nbsp; We just got to pass a law saying if you fly somewhere, you can't go back for a year. &nbsp; &nbsp;That'll reduce all that fuel use.</p>
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				<p><strong>it's not laws, it's the right laws.</strong></p><p>It's not the making of biofuels that we need. &nbsp; We just got to pass a law saying if you fly somewhere, you can't go back for a year. &nbsp; &nbsp;That'll reduce all that fuel use.</p>
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            <title>Comment #13 by Biodiversivist</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 05:20:36 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>My bad, Tom<p>

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>My bad, Tom<p>

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></strong></p>
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