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            <title>Comment #1 by birdboy</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:43:06 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Bozo in Wonderland</strong></p><p>I hope they do make the movie, and it's shown on TV so everybody sees just how stupid the whole idea is. What do they think that enviro's have to gain from getting their way? Are we going to get rich when environmental laws successfully enforce the protection of the Earth? Will the climate scientist-geeks become famous Hollywood stars, and outshine football 'heros'?</p><p>
Seriously, I think if the movie is as stupid as your description of the book, it will give enviro's something to point and laugh about, and will serve our cause by exposing the right-wing use-it-up-before-somebody-else-does ideology.

<p>a liberal in redsville</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Bozo in Wonderland</strong></p><p>I hope they do make the movie, and it's shown on TV so everybody sees just how stupid the whole idea is. What do they think that enviro's have to gain from getting their way? Are we going to get rich when environmental laws successfully enforce the protection of the Earth? Will the climate scientist-geeks become famous Hollywood stars, and outshine football 'heros'?</p><p>
Seriously, I think if the movie is as stupid as your description of the book, it will give enviro's something to point and laugh about, and will serve our cause by exposing the right-wing use-it-up-before-somebody-else-does ideology.

<p>a liberal in redsville</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Drew</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:35:44 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Jurassic Commentary</strong></p><p>FICTION: something invented by the imagination or feigned; specifically : an invented story (Webster's dictionary)</p><p>
Criticizing this book as though it is a work of non-fiction only legitimizes the position of people who thumb their noses at global warming.</p><p>
This repetitive Bush bashing is really tiresome. &nbsp;The election was over a year ago.

<p>"Wherever I go, there's my bicycle."</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Jurassic Commentary</strong></p><p>FICTION: something invented by the imagination or feigned; specifically : an invented story (Webster's dictionary)</p><p>
Criticizing this book as though it is a work of non-fiction only legitimizes the position of people who thumb their noses at global warming.</p><p>
This repetitive Bush bashing is really tiresome. &nbsp;The election was over a year ago.

<p>"Wherever I go, there's my bicycle."</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by odograph</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:53:41 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>cricton</strong></p><p>Well, when the guy (cricton) makes the tour of conservative organizations taking an overt skeptical (denial) view of global warming science, I think he opens himself to this.</p><p>
In my not so humble opinion, he has long since become the thing he claims to despise - an operative in the politicalization of science.</p>
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				<p><strong>cricton</strong></p><p>Well, when the guy (cricton) makes the tour of conservative organizations taking an overt skeptical (denial) view of global warming science, I think he opens himself to this.</p><p>
In my not so humble opinion, he has long since become the thing he claims to despise - an operative in the politicalization of science.</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Biodiversivist</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:58:40 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Lord help me, I'm just not that bright<p>This book reminds me of the Left Behind series of books by the bible thumper duo, where Jeebus returns to do battle with us sinners. They also made movies out of them. By the way, they were also on the New York times best seller list. Which suggests that getting a book on that list has only one meaning: you are making money off it. 

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Help acquire and protect ecological hotspots, give to a conservation organization: <a href="http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Lord help me, I'm just not that bright<p>This book reminds me of the Left Behind series of books by the bible thumper duo, where Jeebus returns to do battle with us sinners. They also made movies out of them. By the way, they were also on the New York times best seller list. Which suggests that getting a book on that list has only one meaning: you are making money off it. 

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Help acquire and protect ecological hotspots, give to a conservation organization: <a href="http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by Captain America</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:52:10 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Global Warming Hysterical Fad</strong></p><p>The Earth has warmed and cooled many times before the automobile.</p><p>
Bad hurricane cycles have occurred before as well (before the automobile had a chance to affect the atmosphere).</p><p>
This is all about a Globalist Anti-American, Anti-Nationalism, global village utopian One World Order, headed by the UN and EU.</p><p>
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<p>America First

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				<p><strong>Global Warming Hysterical Fad</strong></p><p>The Earth has warmed and cooled many times before the automobile.</p><p>
Bad hurricane cycles have occurred before as well (before the automobile had a chance to affect the atmosphere).</p><p>
This is all about a Globalist Anti-American, Anti-Nationalism, global village utopian One World Order, headed by the UN and EU.</p><p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by Captain America</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:12:48 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>What Do Enviro Fascists Have To Gain?</strong></p><p>ANSWER:</p><p>
Power over Middle Class Americans</p><p>
Empowering Unelected Global Government Elitist Officials</p><p>
Foisting Mandates on Americans via unelected Elitist Global Government officials.</p><p>
Furthering your hatred towards everything American. &nbsp;Furthering the Leftist-Elitist war on America (Christian America).</p><p>
Let's face it. &nbsp;Most of you have been brainwashed by your Campus Commie Professor into believing, that the worst things in the world are Americans and American business.</p><p>
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<p>America First

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				<p><strong>What Do Enviro Fascists Have To Gain?</strong></p><p>ANSWER:</p><p>
Power over Middle Class Americans</p><p>
Empowering Unelected Global Government Elitist Officials</p><p>
Foisting Mandates on Americans via unelected Elitist Global Government officials.</p><p>
Furthering your hatred towards everything American. &nbsp;Furthering the Leftist-Elitist war on America (Christian America).</p><p>
Let's face it. &nbsp;Most of you have been brainwashed by your Campus Commie Professor into believing, that the worst things in the world are Americans and American business.</p><p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:49:12 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>&quot;worst things in the world &quot;</strong></p><p>The worst is when one has any hint of sounding anything like this predictable, nonsensical &nbsp;diatribe, makes the skin crawl. </p><p>
It is a good warning for all of us Bush opponents. &nbsp;When you start to sound anything like this, stop..take &nbsp;1000 or so deep breaths and come back later. &nbsp;

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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				<p><strong>&quot;worst things in the world &quot;</strong></p><p>The worst is when one has any hint of sounding anything like this predictable, nonsensical &nbsp;diatribe, makes the skin crawl. </p><p>
It is a good warning for all of us Bush opponents. &nbsp;When you start to sound anything like this, stop..take &nbsp;1000 or so deep breaths and come back later. &nbsp;

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by Captain America</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 04:04:02 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Anything More Pernicious Than Bushwhacker?...Yes!</strong></p><p><br>
Anything More Pernicious Than Bushwhacker?...Yes!</p><p>
A: &nbsp;Leftist Enviro-Fascists.</p><p>
Bush is only one rung above Anti-American, &nbsp;Anti-Commerce Leftism.</p><p>
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				<p><strong>Anything More Pernicious Than Bushwhacker?...Yes!</strong></p><p><br>
Anything More Pernicious Than Bushwhacker?...Yes!</p><p>
A: &nbsp;Leftist Enviro-Fascists.</p><p>
Bush is only one rung above Anti-American, &nbsp;Anti-Commerce Leftism.</p><p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by Captain America</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 04:26:36 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Corn To Ethanol....... by Brilliant Morons</strong></p><p>Corn To Ethanol<br>
......Pushed by Brilliant Morons</p><p>
It takes more energy to convert a kernel of corn into a atomized droplet of ethanol.</p><p>
The ethanol propaganda (solution)is in high gear, due to Archer Daniels Midland stake in Washington ramming this nonsense down our throats with government mandates.</p><p>
Ethanol = Huge Profits for Archer Daniels Midland</p><p>
More Ethanol = Less food at the marketplace, and more expensive food for people</p><p>
Just what we need now: &nbsp;Turning our food crops into ethanol on a vast scale.</p><p>
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<p>America First

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				<p><strong>Corn To Ethanol....... by Brilliant Morons</strong></p><p>Corn To Ethanol<br>
......Pushed by Brilliant Morons</p><p>
It takes more energy to convert a kernel of corn into a atomized droplet of ethanol.</p><p>
The ethanol propaganda (solution)is in high gear, due to Archer Daniels Midland stake in Washington ramming this nonsense down our throats with government mandates.</p><p>
Ethanol = Huge Profits for Archer Daniels Midland</p><p>
More Ethanol = Less food at the marketplace, and more expensive food for people</p><p>
Just what we need now: &nbsp;Turning our food crops into ethanol on a vast scale.</p><p>
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<p>America First

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            <title>Comment #10 by David Roberts</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:22:04 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Our very first bona fide troll!</strong></p><p>I'm so proud.

<p>www.grist.org</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Our very first bona fide troll!</strong></p><p>I'm so proud.

<p>www.grist.org</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #11 by jdhlax</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:04:01 -0800</pubDate>
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<p>Jeff Hoffman</p></p>
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				<p><strong>The Trolls' Achilles Heel</strong></p><p>When light is shed on them, trolls turn to stone.

<p>Jeff Hoffman</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #12 by birdboy</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:29:07 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>see?</strong></p><p>Let the likes of this make their movie- it would be hilarious, and the laughter would spread the good word, and all would bow down to the great enviro-elitist-politico-ethanol-lovin aniti-nationalist, America-hating commie-pinko tree-huggin liberals.</p><p>
wow, that was fun.

<p>a liberal in redsville</p></p>
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				<p><strong>see?</strong></p><p>Let the likes of this make their movie- it would be hilarious, and the laughter would spread the good word, and all would bow down to the great enviro-elitist-politico-ethanol-lovin aniti-nationalist, America-hating commie-pinko tree-huggin liberals.</p><p>
wow, that was fun.

<p>a liberal in redsville</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #13 by Captain America</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 01:18:55 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>French Nuke Plants</strong></p><p>How many (dozen) Nuclear Power Plants does France have?</p><p>
Is France a sensible Leftist society?</p><p>
Why can't you learn from your Leftist friends in France?</p><p>
Perhaps Leftist European Nuke Plants are safer than American Nuke Plants?...If so, then incorporate French Nuke Plants in the USA, if it will make nuke plants more acceptable to Europe loving Enviro-bots.</p><p>
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				<p><strong>French Nuke Plants</strong></p><p>How many (dozen) Nuclear Power Plants does France have?</p><p>
Is France a sensible Leftist society?</p><p>
Why can't you learn from your Leftist friends in France?</p><p>
Perhaps Leftist European Nuke Plants are safer than American Nuke Plants?...If so, then incorporate French Nuke Plants in the USA, if it will make nuke plants more acceptable to Europe loving Enviro-bots.</p><p>
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            <title>Comment #14 by GoodCheer</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:27:45 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Energy production.</strong></p><p>Boy, Captain America you seem to be a man of strongly held opinions.</p><p>
From what I've heard, corn based ethanol produces about 1.3 times the energy required to make it (in other words, the margin is only about 30%). &nbsp;Not a really good ratio. &nbsp;That is using modern, energy intensive production techniques. &nbsp;I do not know the statistics for corn grown without extensive use of pesticides and fertilizers. &nbsp;There are other crops like sugar cane and switch-grass that can make 2-3 times as much energy as they require to produce (100-200% margin). &nbsp;Brazil is now famously running more than half it's cars on ethanol made from sugar cane.</p><p>
&nbsp; As for nuclear energy, construction of nuclear plans is massively subsidized by the government (I'm guessing, dear Captain, that you would prefer to leave these matters to a free market). &nbsp;Nuclear energy production is also massively subsidized by the act of exempting the plant operators from all cost or liability associated with the disposal of the "spent" fuel. &nbsp;If neither of those subsidies existed it is not at all clear that anyone would want to be in the business of producing energy that way.</p><p>
&nbsp; I am eager to hear the Captain's thoughts on these matters.

<p>Bikes can save us!!</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Energy production.</strong></p><p>Boy, Captain America you seem to be a man of strongly held opinions.</p><p>
From what I've heard, corn based ethanol produces about 1.3 times the energy required to make it (in other words, the margin is only about 30%). &nbsp;Not a really good ratio. &nbsp;That is using modern, energy intensive production techniques. &nbsp;I do not know the statistics for corn grown without extensive use of pesticides and fertilizers. &nbsp;There are other crops like sugar cane and switch-grass that can make 2-3 times as much energy as they require to produce (100-200% margin). &nbsp;Brazil is now famously running more than half it's cars on ethanol made from sugar cane.</p><p>
&nbsp; As for nuclear energy, construction of nuclear plans is massively subsidized by the government (I'm guessing, dear Captain, that you would prefer to leave these matters to a free market). &nbsp;Nuclear energy production is also massively subsidized by the act of exempting the plant operators from all cost or liability associated with the disposal of the "spent" fuel. &nbsp;If neither of those subsidies existed it is not at all clear that anyone would want to be in the business of producing energy that way.</p><p>
&nbsp; I am eager to hear the Captain's thoughts on these matters.

<p>Bikes can save us!!</p></p>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:01:42 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Wow!</strong></p><p><br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;Oooo! &nbsp;Ooooo! &nbsp;Oooooo! (Think Curly of the Three Stooges!) &nbsp;Can I play the Commie Campus Professor in the movie??? &nbsp;ROFLMAO!!!</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;Meanwhile I have to figure out how to explain guest etiquette to my Chinese Students. &nbsp;Beware! &nbsp;They are coming to America to teach....... Chinese!</p><p>
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				<p><strong>Wow!</strong></p><p><br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;Oooo! &nbsp;Ooooo! &nbsp;Oooooo! (Think Curly of the Three Stooges!) &nbsp;Can I play the Commie Campus Professor in the movie??? &nbsp;ROFLMAO!!!</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;Meanwhile I have to figure out how to explain guest etiquette to my Chinese Students. &nbsp;Beware! &nbsp;They are coming to America to teach....... Chinese!</p><p>
patrick</br></p>
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				<p><strong>Ethanol</strong></p><p>I would be interested in hearing more about ethanol. I'm afraid I am not that well-versed on it, so I have a lot of questions about it:</p><p>


Is sugar cane an environmentally good crop? There are some crops -- tobacco being a good example -- that, when cultivated, ultimately drain the soil of its ability to support any kind of crops.</p><p>
Does growing sugar cane involve using the same kind of massive infusions of fertilizer and pesticides that growing corn demands? (My understanding is that any kind of monoculture ends up requiring the use of pesticides.)</p><p>
Can sugar cane be grown any place in the USA other than Florida? </p><p>
How much carbon does burning ethanol put into the atmosphere vs. oil?</p><p>
Ethanol production from sugar cane would seem to be a natural for Cuba to improve its economy. Why aren't we hearing about Cuba building refineries?</p><p>
Sugar cane grows in tropical climates. Tropical climates feature a lot of sun and heat which would seem beneficial to setting up solar heating systems. Sugar cane has to be cooked, fermented, and run through a still to get ethanol (I think I have drunk ethanol in Mexico; it's the cheapest booze you can buy). Has there been any thought given to combining solar heat and energy production and ethanol production?

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				<p><strong>Ethanol</strong></p><p>I would be interested in hearing more about ethanol. I'm afraid I am not that well-versed on it, so I have a lot of questions about it:</p><p>


Is sugar cane an environmentally good crop? There are some crops -- tobacco being a good example -- that, when cultivated, ultimately drain the soil of its ability to support any kind of crops.</p><p>
Does growing sugar cane involve using the same kind of massive infusions of fertilizer and pesticides that growing corn demands? (My understanding is that any kind of monoculture ends up requiring the use of pesticides.)</p><p>
Can sugar cane be grown any place in the USA other than Florida? </p><p>
How much carbon does burning ethanol put into the atmosphere vs. oil?</p><p>
Ethanol production from sugar cane would seem to be a natural for Cuba to improve its economy. Why aren't we hearing about Cuba building refineries?</p><p>
Sugar cane grows in tropical climates. Tropical climates feature a lot of sun and heat which would seem beneficial to setting up solar heating systems. Sugar cane has to be cooked, fermented, and run through a still to get ethanol (I think I have drunk ethanol in Mexico; it's the cheapest booze you can buy). Has there been any thought given to combining solar heat and energy production and ethanol production?

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