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            <title>Comment #1 by Biodiversivist</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:49:55 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Great<p>It will probably make the New York Times best seller list, right behind the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/17/opinion/17KRIS.html?ex=1247803200&amp;en=b9eee1a2743a902b&amp;ei=5090" rel="nofollow">Left Behind series.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Great<p>It will probably make the New York Times best seller list, right behind the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/17/opinion/17KRIS.html?ex=1247803200&amp;en=b9eee1a2743a902b&amp;ei=5090" rel="nofollow">Left Behind series.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by GreyFlcn</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:37:21 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>His Ingredients</strong></p><p>His Ingredients get a bit more complicated when you consider</p><p>
The material to make the methanol, was natural gas.<br>
The material to make the fertilizers for the soybeans, was natural gas.<br>
The energy to process the soybean crushing, was natural gas (or worse coal)<br>
The energy to move that product to their station was diesel.<br>
And as a result by taking soy off the market, new soybeans are grow in the Amazon rain forest.</p><p>
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The Algae part might work though.</br></br></br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>His Ingredients</strong></p><p>His Ingredients get a bit more complicated when you consider</p><p>
The material to make the methanol, was natural gas.<br>
The material to make the fertilizers for the soybeans, was natural gas.<br>
The energy to process the soybean crushing, was natural gas (or worse coal)<br>
The energy to move that product to their station was diesel.<br>
And as a result by taking soy off the market, new soybeans are grow in the Amazon rain forest.</p><p>
_</p><p>
The Algae part might work though.</br></br></br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:42:42 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>dinosaurs on the go!</strong></p><p>How much of "fossil fuel" is animal remains, and how much is plant remains?</p><p>
As once a kid who got into dinosaurs and other prehistoric critters a long long time ago, through a stamp book that my father brought home to me from our local Sinclair station (Sinclair no longer exists on the East Coast, though, and it is always a bitter-sweet bit of nostalgia when I travel west of the Mississippi, as I did recently, and see that cutely curvey, but stupid, shit-green brontosaurus), I was impressed by this:</p><p>
&lt;&lt;<br>
252 billion tons (approximately) dinosaurs<br>
1 dash or sprinkling of various other prehistoric animals and vegetation (chef's choice)<br>
&gt;&gt;</p><p>
How much do we know, really, about the animal remains that went into our petroleum? &nbsp;I had always thought that the original organic matter was wood, or other plant-stuff.</p><p>
It rather should surprise us, that we do not have show-offs boasting that they are driving with pure T-rex, or V-raptor, or Trike. &nbsp;And in their yachts, they only use Liopleurodon; in their jet-skis, the finest Ichthyosaur.</p><p>
As for Willie Nelson: He is a great musician, and a great performer. &nbsp;His rendition of "He Was a Friend of Mine" is perhaps the deepest part of the soundtrack of "Brokeback Mountain." &nbsp;It is too bad that he got into this biofuels promotion thing, which is not to the liking of all of us. &nbsp;Nevertheless, we should acknowledge that his heart is in the right place.

<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></br></br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>dinosaurs on the go!</strong></p><p>How much of "fossil fuel" is animal remains, and how much is plant remains?</p><p>
As once a kid who got into dinosaurs and other prehistoric critters a long long time ago, through a stamp book that my father brought home to me from our local Sinclair station (Sinclair no longer exists on the East Coast, though, and it is always a bitter-sweet bit of nostalgia when I travel west of the Mississippi, as I did recently, and see that cutely curvey, but stupid, shit-green brontosaurus), I was impressed by this:</p><p>
&lt;&lt;<br>
252 billion tons (approximately) dinosaurs<br>
1 dash or sprinkling of various other prehistoric animals and vegetation (chef's choice)<br>
&gt;&gt;</p><p>
How much do we know, really, about the animal remains that went into our petroleum? &nbsp;I had always thought that the original organic matter was wood, or other plant-stuff.</p><p>
It rather should surprise us, that we do not have show-offs boasting that they are driving with pure T-rex, or V-raptor, or Trike. &nbsp;And in their yachts, they only use Liopleurodon; in their jet-skis, the finest Ichthyosaur.</p><p>
As for Willie Nelson: He is a great musician, and a great performer. &nbsp;His rendition of "He Was a Friend of Mine" is perhaps the deepest part of the soundtrack of "Brokeback Mountain." &nbsp;It is too bad that he got into this biofuels promotion thing, which is not to the liking of all of us. &nbsp;Nevertheless, we should acknowledge that his heart is in the right place.

<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></br></br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by GreyFlcn</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:21:32 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Dinosaurs eat plants</strong></p><p>Dinosaurs eat plants.</p><p>
And if they eat other dinosaurs, well those dinosaurs eat plants.</p><p>
It's all plant matter originally.<br>
Aside from perhaps bacteria that feeds off of inorganic minerals and heat.</br></p>
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				<p><strong>Dinosaurs eat plants</strong></p><p>Dinosaurs eat plants.</p><p>
And if they eat other dinosaurs, well those dinosaurs eat plants.</p><p>
It's all plant matter originally.<br>
Aside from perhaps bacteria that feeds off of inorganic minerals and heat.</br></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:41:28 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>OK, but it is a bit more complicated ...</strong></p><p>The earliest animals that we know much about, right after the Cambrian explosion, seem well adapted to eating other animals. &nbsp;And not plants. &nbsp;Herbivory is a practice that seems to require some sophistication, shall we say.</p><p>
The earliest dinosaurs, known from fossils in South America and southern Africa, are apparently carnivorous.</p><p>
That is why the study of dinosaurs is not a boring biological dead-end. &nbsp;All dinosaurs evolved from small bipedal carnivores, and yet they exhibited some of the most amazing quadrupedal herbivores that ever evolved, in the course of their very long dominance of terrestrial fauna.</p><p>
The sauropods (e.g. Diplodocus, and Brachiosaurus) (of the Saurischia) must have had huge, terrific guts, which of course do not fossilize, so we can only speculate what their digestion was like. &nbsp;The presence of collections of polished stones within the rib cages of some fossilized sauropods suggests that the animals swallowed stones for use in grinding up plant material, in some inner organ.</p><p>
As for the herbivorous hadrosaurs (e.g. Parasaurolophus) and ceratopians (e.g. Triceratops) (of the Ornithischia), their food-processing teeth were probably the most sophisticated of any teeth that ever evolved in any vertebrate group. &nbsp;(My dentist, strangely, is not at all interested in this.)</p><p>
To reduce the analysis of fossil fuels to a sense of "it is all plants, basically, so the animals do not matter," sort of kills the fun. &nbsp;Plus, it looks anti-intellectual. &nbsp;Let us learn what we can learn. &nbsp;And let us understand that whatever we can learn about any living creature is a precious gem of knowledge, for which we should be very grateful.

<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></p>
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				<p><strong>OK, but it is a bit more complicated ...</strong></p><p>The earliest animals that we know much about, right after the Cambrian explosion, seem well adapted to eating other animals. &nbsp;And not plants. &nbsp;Herbivory is a practice that seems to require some sophistication, shall we say.</p><p>
The earliest dinosaurs, known from fossils in South America and southern Africa, are apparently carnivorous.</p><p>
That is why the study of dinosaurs is not a boring biological dead-end. &nbsp;All dinosaurs evolved from small bipedal carnivores, and yet they exhibited some of the most amazing quadrupedal herbivores that ever evolved, in the course of their very long dominance of terrestrial fauna.</p><p>
The sauropods (e.g. Diplodocus, and Brachiosaurus) (of the Saurischia) must have had huge, terrific guts, which of course do not fossilize, so we can only speculate what their digestion was like. &nbsp;The presence of collections of polished stones within the rib cages of some fossilized sauropods suggests that the animals swallowed stones for use in grinding up plant material, in some inner organ.</p><p>
As for the herbivorous hadrosaurs (e.g. Parasaurolophus) and ceratopians (e.g. Triceratops) (of the Ornithischia), their food-processing teeth were probably the most sophisticated of any teeth that ever evolved in any vertebrate group. &nbsp;(My dentist, strangely, is not at all interested in this.)</p><p>
To reduce the analysis of fossil fuels to a sense of "it is all plants, basically, so the animals do not matter," sort of kills the fun. &nbsp;Plus, it looks anti-intellectual. &nbsp;Let us learn what we can learn. &nbsp;And let us understand that whatever we can learn about any living creature is a precious gem of knowledge, for which we should be very grateful.

<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:22:15 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Biowillie conned again</strong></p><p>Family farms with wind machines, solar, and biogas replacing the GHG grid. &nbsp;That will save them, not biodiesel fuel farmed in the devestated tropics. &nbsp;Slashed and burned to put in palm plantations.</p><p>
Poor biowillie, conned just like Branson and Gates. &nbsp;Thousandaires (like willie) or billionaires, they all fall for the same propaganda.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Biowillie conned again</strong></p><p>Family farms with wind machines, solar, and biogas replacing the GHG grid. &nbsp;That will save them, not biodiesel fuel farmed in the devestated tropics. &nbsp;Slashed and burned to put in palm plantations.</p><p>
Poor biowillie, conned just like Branson and Gates. &nbsp;Thousandaires (like willie) or billionaires, they all fall for the same propaganda.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:52:38 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Roll A Fat Pipe<p><br>
If only they could make oil from weed, then Willie Nelson could satisfy both his goals in life.

<p>John Bailo<br>
<a href="http://sutext.texeme.com" rel="nofollow">Sutext:</a></br></p></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Roll A Fat Pipe<p><br>
If only they could make oil from weed, then Willie Nelson could satisfy both his goals in life.

<p>John Bailo<br>
<a href="http://sutext.texeme.com" rel="nofollow">Sutext:</a></br></p></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by Sam Wells</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:33:45 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Boutique fuels</strong></p><p>I love the joke about "Willie Weed." &nbsp;You can smoke it, you can pump it!</p><p>
Anyway, bio-diesel pretty much a "boutique" fuel. &nbsp;So far most fleets are blending it with diesel maybe 10 to 80 percent. &nbsp;Each kind of source material, from French-fry grease to rapeseed, has different carbon foot-prints, emission levels, and fuel qualities (some cause gummy residues and readily grow algae). &nbsp;Interestingly enough, because of increased efficiency, NOX exhaust emissions can actually go up 2-5%, not good in certain ozone areas.</p><p>
I suppose that any clean fuels are a good idea, but having lots of very small, marinalized boutique refiners doesn't seen to make sense to me. &nbsp;/sammie

<p>Onward through the fog</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Boutique fuels</strong></p><p>I love the joke about "Willie Weed." &nbsp;You can smoke it, you can pump it!</p><p>
Anyway, bio-diesel pretty much a "boutique" fuel. &nbsp;So far most fleets are blending it with diesel maybe 10 to 80 percent. &nbsp;Each kind of source material, from French-fry grease to rapeseed, has different carbon foot-prints, emission levels, and fuel qualities (some cause gummy residues and readily grow algae). &nbsp;Interestingly enough, because of increased efficiency, NOX exhaust emissions can actually go up 2-5%, not good in certain ozone areas.</p><p>
I suppose that any clean fuels are a good idea, but having lots of very small, marinalized boutique refiners doesn't seen to make sense to me. &nbsp;/sammie

<p>Onward through the fog</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by GreyFlcn</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:57:20 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Actually you can, but<p>If only they could make oil from weed, then Willie Nelson could satisfy both his goals in life.<p>
Technically you can, catch being it's worse than Soybeans.<br>
<a href="http://greyfalcon.net/hemp.png" rel="nofollow">http://greyfalcon.net/hemp.png<p>
Ironically though it would probably make a decent food product.<br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaHoIhjUsxM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaHoIhjUsxM</a></br></p></a></br></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Actually you can, but<p>If only they could make oil from weed, then Willie Nelson could satisfy both his goals in life.<p>
Technically you can, catch being it's worse than Soybeans.<br>
<a href="http://greyfalcon.net/hemp.png" rel="nofollow">http://greyfalcon.net/hemp.png<p>
Ironically though it would probably make a decent food product.<br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaHoIhjUsxM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaHoIhjUsxM</a></br></p></a></br></p></p></strong></p>
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