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            <title>Comment #1 by greenstork</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:31:32 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Biodiesel isn't the only solution</strong></p><p>It seems like the 800 lbs. gorilla that you failed to acknowledge was in the room, is the mitigation of CO2 emissions. &nbsp;I think this issue is first and foremost on the minds of environmentally minded people, for good reason. &nbsp;So while your footprint test showed a negligible effect from your transportation use, more than 30% of the CO2 emissions in the world come from transportation. &nbsp;Call me crazy but if we don't address CO2 emissions sometime soon, that will have just as detrimental effect on biodiversity and the health of rainforests. </p><p>
Since you cite in your piece that biodiesel is carbon neutral (which is not entirely accurate it's more like 78% fewer CO2 emissions that regular diesel according to the DOE), it seems to me that it's an option worth exploring for transportation. &nbsp;Again, if the climate changes dramatically due to CO2 emissions, and most think that it will, what affect will that have on arable farm land and the cost of food. </p><p>
You just can't evaluate new technologies and biofuels in a vacuum. &nbsp;By that, I mean that you can't judge biodiesel as a fuel based on a model of "if everyone used biodiesel," because that's never going to happen. &nbsp;Biodiesel is one option to reduce emissions, so are hybrids, so is cellulose ethanol, so is increasing CAFE standards, so is raising the gas tax, so is funding mass transit. &nbsp;It's not a be-all, end-all option for our transportation needs, no one option ever will be, and it needs to be evaluated as such, the market will decide the rest anyway.</p><p>
What bugs me is that you seem to ignore the positive aspects of biodiesel. &nbsp;While you acknowledge the carbon neutrality, it also serves to get people thinking about energy independence, sustainability, and higher efficiency diesel vehicles. &nbsp;Now, I'm generalizing, but if just 10% of the country started thinking about these issues, instead of more horsepower for their SUVs, that's a good start. &nbsp;It might actually get people thinking in terms of "biodiversity vs. driving their cars" -- which is an entirely different paradigm than I see in America right now.</p><p>
10% of our fuel from biodiesel isn't that far-fetched, and its impact on farmland and the cost of food shouldn't be terrible if we can start using better feed crops that soybeans.</p><p>
If your primary concern is biodiversity, you absolutely must consider the effects of climate change. &nbsp;And if you are concerned about climate change, you absolutely must consider the most egregious greenhouse gas emitters, motor vehicles. &nbsp;Biodiesel isn't the only solution, it's no silver bullet, and we can't expect every car to run on it but that does not diminish its benefits. &nbsp;</p>
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				<p><strong>Biodiesel isn't the only solution</strong></p><p>It seems like the 800 lbs. gorilla that you failed to acknowledge was in the room, is the mitigation of CO2 emissions. &nbsp;I think this issue is first and foremost on the minds of environmentally minded people, for good reason. &nbsp;So while your footprint test showed a negligible effect from your transportation use, more than 30% of the CO2 emissions in the world come from transportation. &nbsp;Call me crazy but if we don't address CO2 emissions sometime soon, that will have just as detrimental effect on biodiversity and the health of rainforests. </p><p>
Since you cite in your piece that biodiesel is carbon neutral (which is not entirely accurate it's more like 78% fewer CO2 emissions that regular diesel according to the DOE), it seems to me that it's an option worth exploring for transportation. &nbsp;Again, if the climate changes dramatically due to CO2 emissions, and most think that it will, what affect will that have on arable farm land and the cost of food. </p><p>
You just can't evaluate new technologies and biofuels in a vacuum. &nbsp;By that, I mean that you can't judge biodiesel as a fuel based on a model of "if everyone used biodiesel," because that's never going to happen. &nbsp;Biodiesel is one option to reduce emissions, so are hybrids, so is cellulose ethanol, so is increasing CAFE standards, so is raising the gas tax, so is funding mass transit. &nbsp;It's not a be-all, end-all option for our transportation needs, no one option ever will be, and it needs to be evaluated as such, the market will decide the rest anyway.</p><p>
What bugs me is that you seem to ignore the positive aspects of biodiesel. &nbsp;While you acknowledge the carbon neutrality, it also serves to get people thinking about energy independence, sustainability, and higher efficiency diesel vehicles. &nbsp;Now, I'm generalizing, but if just 10% of the country started thinking about these issues, instead of more horsepower for their SUVs, that's a good start. &nbsp;It might actually get people thinking in terms of "biodiversity vs. driving their cars" -- which is an entirely different paradigm than I see in America right now.</p><p>
10% of our fuel from biodiesel isn't that far-fetched, and its impact on farmland and the cost of food shouldn't be terrible if we can start using better feed crops that soybeans.</p><p>
If your primary concern is biodiversity, you absolutely must consider the effects of climate change. &nbsp;And if you are concerned about climate change, you absolutely must consider the most egregious greenhouse gas emitters, motor vehicles. &nbsp;Biodiesel isn't the only solution, it's no silver bullet, and we can't expect every car to run on it but that does not diminish its benefits. &nbsp;</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Biodiversivist</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:40:33 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Thanks, Greenstork for the intelligent feedback<p>I am warming up to biodiesel. If we can find ways to make it that does not take down what is left of our biodiversity or cause more hunger, then I am all for it. You make a very good point here:<p>
[Biodiesel] might actually get people thinking in terms of "biodiversity vs.driving their cars" -- which is an entirely different paradigm than I see in America right now."<p>
As far as your comment:<p>
It seems like the 800 lbs. gorilla that you failed to acknowledge was in the room, is the mitigation of CO2 emissions.<p>
I felt that I had acknowledged it adequately as shown below but I probably should have emphasized it more:<p>
About 26% of our CO2 emissions come from transportation. If a quarter of the cars in America converted to biodiesel in the next decade, we could cut our CO2 emissions by 6%.<p>
Three-quarters of our CO2 comes from sources other than our cars.<p>
Biodiesel is renewable and carbon neutral.<p>
I also agree with your astute comment that "the market will decide the rest anyway." That is what worries me the most. The market may find biodiesel to be highly profitable.<p>
One of your concluding comments did a nice job of summarizing what I had meant to be the gist of my post: <p>
10% of our fuel from biodiesel isn't that far-fetched, and its impact on farmland and the cost of food shouldn't be terrible if we can start using better feed crops than soybeans. <p>
Thanks again<br>


<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Help acquire and protect ecological hotspots, give to a conservation organization: <a href="http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com</a></p></br></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Thanks, Greenstork for the intelligent feedback<p>I am warming up to biodiesel. If we can find ways to make it that does not take down what is left of our biodiversity or cause more hunger, then I am all for it. You make a very good point here:<p>
[Biodiesel] might actually get people thinking in terms of "biodiversity vs.driving their cars" -- which is an entirely different paradigm than I see in America right now."<p>
As far as your comment:<p>
It seems like the 800 lbs. gorilla that you failed to acknowledge was in the room, is the mitigation of CO2 emissions.<p>
I felt that I had acknowledged it adequately as shown below but I probably should have emphasized it more:<p>
About 26% of our CO2 emissions come from transportation. If a quarter of the cars in America converted to biodiesel in the next decade, we could cut our CO2 emissions by 6%.<p>
Three-quarters of our CO2 comes from sources other than our cars.<p>
Biodiesel is renewable and carbon neutral.<p>
I also agree with your astute comment that "the market will decide the rest anyway." That is what worries me the most. The market may find biodiesel to be highly profitable.<p>
One of your concluding comments did a nice job of summarizing what I had meant to be the gist of my post: <p>
10% of our fuel from biodiesel isn't that far-fetched, and its impact on farmland and the cost of food shouldn't be terrible if we can start using better feed crops than soybeans. <p>
Thanks again<br>


<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Help acquire and protect ecological hotspots, give to a conservation organization: <a href="http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com</a></p></br></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by amazingdrx</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/biodiesel-its-what-you-make-it-out-of/</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2005 01:05:03 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>You forgot algae.</strong></p><p>You forgot algae bio-d.</p><p>
Grown in solar cogeneration facilities it can produce many more time the biodiesel per area. &nbsp;And other byprodcts of solar cogeneration are heat and cooling capacity, waste treatment, clean water, solar electricity, and other biofuels..like methane, methanol, ethanol,and &nbsp;hydrogen.</p><p>
This process combined with a major switch to plugin hybrids that only ocasionally burn ANY fuel could actually eliminate imported oil. &nbsp;The figures DO line up, unlike the estimates of a total biodiesel transportation economy supplied by agri-chem crops.</p>
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				<p><strong>You forgot algae.</strong></p><p>You forgot algae bio-d.</p><p>
Grown in solar cogeneration facilities it can produce many more time the biodiesel per area. &nbsp;And other byprodcts of solar cogeneration are heat and cooling capacity, waste treatment, clean water, solar electricity, and other biofuels..like methane, methanol, ethanol,and &nbsp;hydrogen.</p><p>
This process combined with a major switch to plugin hybrids that only ocasionally burn ANY fuel could actually eliminate imported oil. &nbsp;The figures DO line up, unlike the estimates of a total biodiesel transportation economy supplied by agri-chem crops.</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by rojoyo</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2005 01:09:27 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>new</strong></p><p>Good essay, but you write as if all Biodiesel comes from newly planted soy beans. &nbsp;Biodiesel can be made from recyled restauarant fryer oil. No acreage required.</p>
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				<p><strong>new</strong></p><p>Good essay, but you write as if all Biodiesel comes from newly planted soy beans. &nbsp;Biodiesel can be made from recyled restauarant fryer oil. No acreage required.</p>
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