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            <title>Comment #1 by Biodiversivist</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 04:20:53 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>...angry venture capitalists with billions to lose<p>...not a fist you want to find yourself in front of.<p>
It turns out that cases of spontaneous combustion are nothing more than burning body fat. Whale oil lamps are an example of how flammable blubber can be in the right circumstances. However, the fire that starts them to burning is not spontaneous, but some accident, often caused by the person having a heart attack with a cigarette in their hand.<p>
On a serious note, I think your friend has a good idea. We need options that allow people to donate their bodies to some environmental cause as opposed to having it cremated or stuffed in the ground pumped full of a toxic preservative, wrapped in a wood coffin.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>...angry venture capitalists with billions to lose<p>...not a fist you want to find yourself in front of.<p>
It turns out that cases of spontaneous combustion are nothing more than burning body fat. Whale oil lamps are an example of how flammable blubber can be in the right circumstances. However, the fire that starts them to burning is not spontaneous, but some accident, often caused by the person having a heart attack with a cigarette in their hand.<p>
On a serious note, I think your friend has a good idea. We need options that allow people to donate their bodies to some environmental cause as opposed to having it cremated or stuffed in the ground pumped full of a toxic preservative, wrapped in a wood coffin.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 06:24:34 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>disposal of the dead</strong></p><p>Whether this has anything to do with Monika's suppression of her surname, people have always been very concerned with what happens to the bodies of their beloved dead. &nbsp;The ancient Greeks thought that the loss of a body at sea was a terrible sorrow, so there is this wonderful little detail in the myth of Jason and the Argonauts: He is escaping from Colchis, with the Golden Fleece on board, and also the princess Medea, who is in love with him and is helping him, as well as Medea's kid-brother Apsyrtus; their father, King Aeetes, sets out in pursuit, apparently in the demonstration model of the Argo Mark 2, and he is gaining on them; so, Medea, that strong-minded and resourceful woman, takes Apsyrtus, kills him, and cuts him up into little pieces, then one by one tosses them off the stern; and she shouts across the water, "Daddy, these things I am throwing overboard are pieces of your dear young son"; so he is diverted from pursuing the Argo, instead needing to sail all around the Black Sea to recover the pieces of his son's body.</p><p>
Biodiv, I have never seen a wooden coffin used in a Catholic funeral in the US. &nbsp;The very unfortunate practice that we have is to bury our dead in these large, elaborately constructed metal cases. &nbsp;The traditional doctrine of the resurrection of the dead lies behind it: at the end of time (?), at the Last Judgment (??), all the dead shall rise, to be judged. &nbsp;Hence arises what is basically a superstition, that it is necessary to preserve the integrity of the dead body as well as possible. &nbsp;But then, what is the story with all the embalming fluid? &nbsp;And what about all those bodies of saints which have been intentionally disassembled, so that as many churches as possible have heads or fingers or collar bones to venerate as relics?</p><p>
Cremation had never been permitted till recently. &nbsp;Even in that case, the stipulation was that the ashes must be gathered in a single vessel, and not scattered. &nbsp;And yet, the late JFK Jr. had expressed a wish to be cremated, and that his ashes be scattered from the air over the sea to the south of Cape Cod -- ironically, where he died -- ; and I believe that is what happened, given that the Kennedy clan are notoriously much more successful than, say, Henry VIII in making deals with the Catholic hierarchy.</p><p>
I very much like Monika's suggestion, and I hope it takes off. &nbsp;Already the Jews have a most admirable attitude toward organ donorship: to donate one's body or one's organs, either for medical research or to help people who need healthy organs, is a "mitzvah," a benefit explicitly in accord with God's will. &nbsp;I would hope that members of other religions come to share this enlightened attitude.</p><p>
And I would hope that the attitude can be extended to include some well-chosen environmental purposes to donate one's body to. &nbsp;There will always be a serious need for dignity, however, and I am not sure converting a corpse into fuel for a car, or a lawn-mower, or a leaf-blower, quite measures up.</p><p>
Back when I was a projectionist, in the mid 1970s, I showed the movie "Soylent Green": really creepy. &nbsp;It did not help that the dismal dystopic portrait of a future NYC somewhat corresponded to NYC's decline in that decade. &nbsp;In that story, of course, the main moral horrors were cannibalism, and the systemic secrecy surrounding it.

<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></p>
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				<p><strong>disposal of the dead</strong></p><p>Whether this has anything to do with Monika's suppression of her surname, people have always been very concerned with what happens to the bodies of their beloved dead. &nbsp;The ancient Greeks thought that the loss of a body at sea was a terrible sorrow, so there is this wonderful little detail in the myth of Jason and the Argonauts: He is escaping from Colchis, with the Golden Fleece on board, and also the princess Medea, who is in love with him and is helping him, as well as Medea's kid-brother Apsyrtus; their father, King Aeetes, sets out in pursuit, apparently in the demonstration model of the Argo Mark 2, and he is gaining on them; so, Medea, that strong-minded and resourceful woman, takes Apsyrtus, kills him, and cuts him up into little pieces, then one by one tosses them off the stern; and she shouts across the water, "Daddy, these things I am throwing overboard are pieces of your dear young son"; so he is diverted from pursuing the Argo, instead needing to sail all around the Black Sea to recover the pieces of his son's body.</p><p>
Biodiv, I have never seen a wooden coffin used in a Catholic funeral in the US. &nbsp;The very unfortunate practice that we have is to bury our dead in these large, elaborately constructed metal cases. &nbsp;The traditional doctrine of the resurrection of the dead lies behind it: at the end of time (?), at the Last Judgment (??), all the dead shall rise, to be judged. &nbsp;Hence arises what is basically a superstition, that it is necessary to preserve the integrity of the dead body as well as possible. &nbsp;But then, what is the story with all the embalming fluid? &nbsp;And what about all those bodies of saints which have been intentionally disassembled, so that as many churches as possible have heads or fingers or collar bones to venerate as relics?</p><p>
Cremation had never been permitted till recently. &nbsp;Even in that case, the stipulation was that the ashes must be gathered in a single vessel, and not scattered. &nbsp;And yet, the late JFK Jr. had expressed a wish to be cremated, and that his ashes be scattered from the air over the sea to the south of Cape Cod -- ironically, where he died -- ; and I believe that is what happened, given that the Kennedy clan are notoriously much more successful than, say, Henry VIII in making deals with the Catholic hierarchy.</p><p>
I very much like Monika's suggestion, and I hope it takes off. &nbsp;Already the Jews have a most admirable attitude toward organ donorship: to donate one's body or one's organs, either for medical research or to help people who need healthy organs, is a "mitzvah," a benefit explicitly in accord with God's will. &nbsp;I would hope that members of other religions come to share this enlightened attitude.</p><p>
And I would hope that the attitude can be extended to include some well-chosen environmental purposes to donate one's body to. &nbsp;There will always be a serious need for dignity, however, and I am not sure converting a corpse into fuel for a car, or a lawn-mower, or a leaf-blower, quite measures up.</p><p>
Back when I was a projectionist, in the mid 1970s, I showed the movie "Soylent Green": really creepy. &nbsp;It did not help that the dismal dystopic portrait of a future NYC somewhat corresponded to NYC's decline in that decade. &nbsp;In that story, of course, the main moral horrors were cannibalism, and the systemic secrecy surrounding it.

<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Biodiversivist</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 08:36:33 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Luckily, I have no dignity<p>Who needs funeral homes when you could just call the rendering plant ...instead of an urn, you would get a jar of biodiesel.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Luckily, I have no dignity<p>Who needs funeral homes when you could just call the rendering plant ...instead of an urn, you would get a jar of biodiesel.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Ron Steenblik</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 23:46:27 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Looks like Miami may have to wait ...<p><p>Sorry to disappoint, but I just saw a <a href="http://blog.wired.com/biotech/2006/12/fuel_from_your_.html" rel="nofollow">blog posted on Wired, suggesting that the story about the planned lipodiesel plant in Miami may be a hoax. According to the article:<p>
<p>"A Norwegian newspaper wrote about the man and his plan earlier this month, and the story promptly got picked up by other Internet outlets. <a href="http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20061206-073127-3179r" rel="nofollow">UPI wrote an article and a (gullible) <a href="http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06346/745390-294.stm" rel="nofollow">Pittsburgh daily newspaper even published an entire column about it.<p>
<p>"One problem: There's no evidence that there's truth to any of this. ... First, the hospital in question -- Miami's Jackson Memorial Hospital -- says the story isn't true. In fact, the hospital, which serves a lower-income population, does "little if any" liposuction work, said spokeswoman Lorraine Nelson. [RS: Any relation to <a href="http://www.wnbiodiesel.com/" rel="nofollow">"Bio" Willie?]<p>
<p>"Second, there are zillions of regulations about medical waste. It would be difficult, perhaps even impossible, to send human fat out to a recycler. Third, you'd need to liposuction a whole lot of fatties to produce much biodiesel.<p>
<p>"While it is possible to make the fuel with the help of animal fat, you'd need a lot of it -- a pound of fat only produces a pound of biodiesel."<p>
<p>Oh well, with the kind of subsidies on offer, somebody's bound to try it some day.</p></p></p></p></p></p></a></p></p></a></a></p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Looks like Miami may have to wait ...<p><p>Sorry to disappoint, but I just saw a <a href="http://blog.wired.com/biotech/2006/12/fuel_from_your_.html" rel="nofollow">blog posted on Wired, suggesting that the story about the planned lipodiesel plant in Miami may be a hoax. According to the article:<p>
<p>"A Norwegian newspaper wrote about the man and his plan earlier this month, and the story promptly got picked up by other Internet outlets. <a href="http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20061206-073127-3179r" rel="nofollow">UPI wrote an article and a (gullible) <a href="http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06346/745390-294.stm" rel="nofollow">Pittsburgh daily newspaper even published an entire column about it.<p>
<p>"One problem: There's no evidence that there's truth to any of this. ... First, the hospital in question -- Miami's Jackson Memorial Hospital -- says the story isn't true. In fact, the hospital, which serves a lower-income population, does "little if any" liposuction work, said spokeswoman Lorraine Nelson. [RS: Any relation to <a href="http://www.wnbiodiesel.com/" rel="nofollow">"Bio" Willie?]<p>
<p>"Second, there are zillions of regulations about medical waste. It would be difficult, perhaps even impossible, to send human fat out to a recycler. Third, you'd need to liposuction a whole lot of fatties to produce much biodiesel.<p>
<p>"While it is possible to make the fuel with the help of animal fat, you'd need a lot of it -- a pound of fat only produces a pound of biodiesel."<p>
<p>Oh well, with the kind of subsidies on offer, somebody's bound to try it some day.</p></p></p></p></p></p></a></p></p></a></a></p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by Biodiversivist</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 06:25:49 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Don't worry about it,<p>the points made were still valid and useful. Sounded like another publicity ploy in any case.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Don't worry about it,<p>the points made were still valid and useful. Sounded like another publicity ploy in any case.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></strong></p>
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