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            <title>Comment #1 by greenfire8</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/big-oil-together-we-can-ignore-global-warming/</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:05:38 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>the masters of spin<p>from the George Bush Skewl of Gubment and Publik Survis @ Texas A&amp;M:<p>
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"more informed respondents both feel less personally responsible for global warming, and also show less concern for global warming. We also find that confidence in scientists has unexpected effects: respondents with high confidence in scientists feel less responsible for global warming, and also show less concern for global warming."<p>
"Research on educational attainment and income indicates that persons of higher socioeconomic status are less likely to perceive climate change as risky.(20) Similarly, persons knowledgeable of the causes, properties, and effects of climate change have lower levels of risk perception."<p>
"Conservatives and Republicans show more concern for global warming and climate change than liberals and Democrats" <p>
"With regard to demographic variables, research consistently shows that women and racial minorities are more fearful of the risks of climate change.(19,20) In the risk perception literature, this phenomenon is called the "white male effect."(21,22,23) Higher risk perception among racial minorities is said to be a function of greater environmental hardship and distress--that is, minorities are disproportionately exposed to ecological hazards."</p></p></p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>the masters of spin<p>from the George Bush Skewl of Gubment and Publik Survis @ Texas A&amp;M:<p>
<a href="http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/action/showPdf?submitPDF=Full+Text+PDF+%28135+KB%29&amp;doi=10.1111%2Fj.1539-6924.2008.01010.x" rel="nofollow">http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/action/showPdf?submitPDF ...<p>
"more informed respondents both feel less personally responsible for global warming, and also show less concern for global warming. We also find that confidence in scientists has unexpected effects: respondents with high confidence in scientists feel less responsible for global warming, and also show less concern for global warming."<p>
"Research on educational attainment and income indicates that persons of higher socioeconomic status are less likely to perceive climate change as risky.(20) Similarly, persons knowledgeable of the causes, properties, and effects of climate change have lower levels of risk perception."<p>
"Conservatives and Republicans show more concern for global warming and climate change than liberals and Democrats" <p>
"With regard to demographic variables, research consistently shows that women and racial minorities are more fearful of the risks of climate change.(19,20) In the risk perception literature, this phenomenon is called the "white male effect."(21,22,23) Higher risk perception among racial minorities is said to be a function of greater environmental hardship and distress--that is, minorities are disproportionately exposed to ecological hazards."</p></p></p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by bigTom</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/big-oil-together-we-can-ignore-global-warming/</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 00:31:25 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Mostly a plea for drilling.</strong></p><p>&nbsp; Because of past political tinkering in foreign countries, the international oil companies have been excluded from almost all of the world's promising areas. They have been trying to exploit supply fears to get domestic restrictions removed/reduced, as this represents one of their last opportunities for large profits.</p><p>
&nbsp;IMHO I do believe we have been too restrictive. In my way of thinking the real damage is that the myth that their would be no shortage if only we were allowed to drill is perpetuated. Most of these believers take the attitude, "they won't allow more drilling, so why should I conserve". Of course outside of Alaska, most of these restrictions are local issues, usually the opposition derives from overblown fears of offshore oilspills. Some is justifiable concern about oil&amp;gas drilling on/near private housing, which rarely comes with mineral rights.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;I happen to believe that somewhat less restrictive domestic oil/gas drilling restrictions can be separated from BAU in fossil fuels in general. &nbsp;</p>
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				<p><strong>Mostly a plea for drilling.</strong></p><p>&nbsp; Because of past political tinkering in foreign countries, the international oil companies have been excluded from almost all of the world's promising areas. They have been trying to exploit supply fears to get domestic restrictions removed/reduced, as this represents one of their last opportunities for large profits.</p><p>
&nbsp;IMHO I do believe we have been too restrictive. In my way of thinking the real damage is that the myth that their would be no shortage if only we were allowed to drill is perpetuated. Most of these believers take the attitude, "they won't allow more drilling, so why should I conserve". Of course outside of Alaska, most of these restrictions are local issues, usually the opposition derives from overblown fears of offshore oilspills. Some is justifiable concern about oil&amp;gas drilling on/near private housing, which rarely comes with mineral rights.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;I happen to believe that somewhat less restrictive domestic oil/gas drilling restrictions can be separated from BAU in fossil fuels in general. &nbsp;</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Tasermons Partner</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:52:54 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Millions for years...</strong></p><p>...60 million cars and 160 million homes for 60 years.</p><p>
Problem with that is, we have nearly double that amount (more so with cars), so that figure twidles down to 30 years. &nbsp;Then add in the amount of power needed for commercial, government, and industry, and twidle it down to 'bout 20 years, or less.</p><p>
Plus the fact that we can't access all of the gas immediately, and it generally takes years for a typical field to become active (go from concept to actual production), and there's a serious lag time.</p><p>
So, it ain't like it'll help us be more independent.</p>
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				<p><strong>Millions for years...</strong></p><p>...60 million cars and 160 million homes for 60 years.</p><p>
Problem with that is, we have nearly double that amount (more so with cars), so that figure twidles down to 30 years. &nbsp;Then add in the amount of power needed for commercial, government, and industry, and twidle it down to 'bout 20 years, or less.</p><p>
Plus the fact that we can't access all of the gas immediately, and it generally takes years for a typical field to become active (go from concept to actual production), and there's a serious lag time.</p><p>
So, it ain't like it'll help us be more independent.</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Brad Johnson</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:05:28 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>What matters<p>What matters is what comes first. And we have an industry that's pretending global warming doesn't even exist, and is promoting a completely catastrophic future.<p>
Doesn't say much in favor of their judgment.

<p><a href="http://www.thinkprogress.org/wonkroom/" rel="nofollow">The Wonk Room</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>What matters<p>What matters is what comes first. And we have an industry that's pretending global warming doesn't even exist, and is promoting a completely catastrophic future.<p>
Doesn't say much in favor of their judgment.

<p><a href="http://www.thinkprogress.org/wonkroom/" rel="nofollow">The Wonk Room</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by globalhoax</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:18:21 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>time for homework people...</strong></p><p>The reason they didn't mention anything is because the entire global warming hoax is based on two big lies &nbsp;1st-CO2 does not cause warming &nbsp;2 there is no warming that can be attributed to CO2 increases. The opposite has been proven true since 1998 as CO2 levels increase while the average temperature decreases. Notice I said proven, a concept which escapes the greens who think , &nbsp;conjecture from the self proclaimed intellectually superior athiests is the same as scientific proof.</p><p>
&nbsp;It is a fools folly to buy into the lie period. &nbsp;.0011% is mans contribution to the greenhouse effect..thats eleven one thousands of one percent..insignificant at best. &nbsp; 95% of the greenhouse gas effect is from water vapor. &nbsp; &nbsp;Another fact that the left fail to put forth. &nbsp;Meawhile, expanding government legislation to stop the creature under the bed, (which doesn't exist) will legislate you and I into the dark ages if not a global depression that would make the 1930's look like the internet boom. &nbsp;</p><p>
Wake up people do your homework, &nbsp;DOMESTIC OIL AND NATURAL GAS PRODUCTION and domestic exploration and expansion of energy production HERE is the answer to most of today's problem.</p>
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				<p><strong>time for homework people...</strong></p><p>The reason they didn't mention anything is because the entire global warming hoax is based on two big lies &nbsp;1st-CO2 does not cause warming &nbsp;2 there is no warming that can be attributed to CO2 increases. The opposite has been proven true since 1998 as CO2 levels increase while the average temperature decreases. Notice I said proven, a concept which escapes the greens who think , &nbsp;conjecture from the self proclaimed intellectually superior athiests is the same as scientific proof.</p><p>
&nbsp;It is a fools folly to buy into the lie period. &nbsp;.0011% is mans contribution to the greenhouse effect..thats eleven one thousands of one percent..insignificant at best. &nbsp; 95% of the greenhouse gas effect is from water vapor. &nbsp; &nbsp;Another fact that the left fail to put forth. &nbsp;Meawhile, expanding government legislation to stop the creature under the bed, (which doesn't exist) will legislate you and I into the dark ages if not a global depression that would make the 1930's look like the internet boom. &nbsp;</p><p>
Wake up people do your homework, &nbsp;DOMESTIC OIL AND NATURAL GAS PRODUCTION and domestic exploration and expansion of energy production HERE is the answer to most of today's problem.</p>
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