<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for Chertoff lies, wildlife dies]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by cbloom http://www.grist.org/article/big-balls-bigger-wall/ Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:20:00 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/big-balls-bigger-wall/1 invaders vs wildlife

The author apparently loves the invasion of foreigners from the south, and is ready to let millions of acres of land be developed and many other species go extinct. And the foreigners from the south with 6th grade educations don't give a you know what about the environment or wildlife.

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The author apparently loves the invasion of foreigners from the south, and is ready to let millions of acres of land be developed and many other species go extinct. And the foreigners from the south with 6th grade educations don't give a you know what about the environment or wildlife.

]]> Comment #2 by bookerly http://www.grist.org/article/big-balls-bigger-wall/ Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:27:55 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/big-balls-bigger-wall/2 Au contraire


   Dear cbloom,

       How do you know that those you term "invaders" don't care about the environment or wildlife?  Your comments merely demonstrate your bigotry and lack of knowledge.

       I used to teach undocumented workers, and found them to be lovely, open, kind-hearted people who cared very much about both the environment and wildlife (unlike most anti-immigrant nativists I have encountered).  

       As to education levels, the great level of American education has prevented people from believing in Weapons of Mass Destruction, while denying American Sponsored Global Warming.  Or from believing outrageous right wing lies about undocumented workers.

       Kudos to the Sierra Club for standing up.  Shame on so-called environmentalists who stay silent (hint, if you can't stop the wall, you will probably get nowhere stopping American Sponsored Global Warming).

patrick in Beijing

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   Dear cbloom,

       How do you know that those you term "invaders" don't care about the environment or wildlife?  Your comments merely demonstrate your bigotry and lack of knowledge.

       I used to teach undocumented workers, and found them to be lovely, open, kind-hearted people who cared very much about both the environment and wildlife (unlike most anti-immigrant nativists I have encountered).  

       As to education levels, the great level of American education has prevented people from believing in Weapons of Mass Destruction, while denying American Sponsored Global Warming.  Or from believing outrageous right wing lies about undocumented workers.

       Kudos to the Sierra Club for standing up.  Shame on so-called environmentalists who stay silent (hint, if you can't stop the wall, you will probably get nowhere stopping American Sponsored Global Warming).

patrick in Beijing

]]> Comment #3 by caniscandida http://www.grist.org/article/big-balls-bigger-wall/ Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:04:08 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/big-balls-bigger-wall/3 enough with the nativist xenophobes!

Glenn,
thanks for this very interesting post, as well as for the related piece in Grist, which drew so tangled a bunch of comments that I did not want to add anything there.  Your point that trash in the Sonoran desert of Arizona is nowhere near as horrible and dangerous an ecological offense as the wall is excellent.

Patrick,
we cannot hear enough of testimonies like yours.  The efforts of far too many in this country to treat Latinos indocumentados as criminals, on one level, and as scum, on another, are despicable.

Generally, the recent Latino immigrants whom I have got to know have not really wanted to come to this country, and do not want to stay; they are hard-working; they are honest; they are not criminals; they do their best to learn English.  As for how we all measure up virtue-wise, probably I would not meet THEIR standards.  And if the Republican anti-immigrationist jerks were to think about the matter seriously, they would probably gladly send a moral slouch such as I to Puebla or Oaxaca in exchange for someone more upstanding. : (

Chickens are our cousins! So are fish! So are other sentient animals! Let us learn to be kind.



]]> enough with the nativist xenophobes!

Glenn,
thanks for this very interesting post, as well as for the related piece in Grist, which drew so tangled a bunch of comments that I did not want to add anything there.  Your point that trash in the Sonoran desert of Arizona is nowhere near as horrible and dangerous an ecological offense as the wall is excellent.

Patrick,
we cannot hear enough of testimonies like yours.  The efforts of far too many in this country to treat Latinos indocumentados as criminals, on one level, and as scum, on another, are despicable.

Generally, the recent Latino immigrants whom I have got to know have not really wanted to come to this country, and do not want to stay; they are hard-working; they are honest; they are not criminals; they do their best to learn English.  As for how we all measure up virtue-wise, probably I would not meet THEIR standards.  And if the Republican anti-immigrationist jerks were to think about the matter seriously, they would probably gladly send a moral slouch such as I to Puebla or Oaxaca in exchange for someone more upstanding. : (

Chickens are our cousins! So are fish! So are other sentient animals! Let us learn to be kind.



]]> Comment #4 by Biodiversivist http://www.grist.org/article/big-balls-bigger-wall/ Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:05:07 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/big-balls-bigger-wall/4 Cbloom

From the above article:

"Oh, and by the way, no one actually thinks the wall will keep any illegal immigrants out. The Border Patrol itself admits that it only slows people down by 3 to 4 minutes. That's probably 60 seconds if the person has a ladder. And they think there are 40 or more tunnels under the wall. And more than 40 percent of illegal immigrants don't get here by sneaking across the border: they just overstay (PDF) their visas."

There are other much more effective ways to regulate immigration. The wall is just another one of those politically astute things to do, like corn ethanol, which takes advantage of an ignorant and gullible American public (not that you are one of them).

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world

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From the above article:

"Oh, and by the way, no one actually thinks the wall will keep any illegal immigrants out. The Border Patrol itself admits that it only slows people down by 3 to 4 minutes. That's probably 60 seconds if the person has a ladder. And they think there are 40 or more tunnels under the wall. And more than 40 percent of illegal immigrants don't get here by sneaking across the border: they just overstay (PDF) their visas."

There are other much more effective ways to regulate immigration. The wall is just another one of those politically astute things to do, like corn ethanol, which takes advantage of an ignorant and gullible American public (not that you are one of them).

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world

]]> Comment #5 by amazingdrx http://www.grist.org/article/big-balls-bigger-wall/ Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:32:47 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/big-balls-bigger-wall/5 Trash wall

The worst trash asociated with the wall?

Chertoff and his fellow bribe swilling trash in the bushwacker administration.  It's all about huge kickbacks.

It has nothing to do with stopping illegal immigration.  Has anyone bothered to check what percentage of workers on the wall are illegal?  

Nope, because we all know the wall is being built by illegal contractors, just like every other big government project in the southland.

But let's talk about that new abu ghraib that Blackwater is building along the southern border.  A special corporate prison for illegal immigrants.  I bet the torture will be justified because illegal immigrants are really enemy combatants?  Am I right Eric the white (billionaire krazy, kristian, kriminal, korporat, krusader Eric prince, head of blackwater and it's more permanent parent company, Greystone)?

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog

]]> Trash wall

The worst trash asociated with the wall?

Chertoff and his fellow bribe swilling trash in the bushwacker administration.  It's all about huge kickbacks.

It has nothing to do with stopping illegal immigration.  Has anyone bothered to check what percentage of workers on the wall are illegal?  

Nope, because we all know the wall is being built by illegal contractors, just like every other big government project in the southland.

But let's talk about that new abu ghraib that Blackwater is building along the southern border.  A special corporate prison for illegal immigrants.  I bet the torture will be justified because illegal immigrants are really enemy combatants?  Am I right Eric the white (billionaire krazy, kristian, kriminal, korporat, krusader Eric prince, head of blackwater and it's more permanent parent company, Greystone)?

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog

]]> Comment #6 by cbloom http://www.grist.org/article/big-balls-bigger-wall/ Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:46:30 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/big-balls-bigger-wall/6 it's the environment that matters

I see the environmental movement has truly been infiltrated by people with other agendas other than the environment. Yes there are many other ways to control immigration but none of you would ever agree to any of those methods either. The population of the US will soon be 400 million and that apparently doesn't matter. And please don't use stupid words like "bigot" and "racist" give me a break. I live in Arizona and see the effects of the uneducated masses living here every day. Sorry, kids, this is our country, and we cannot afford to have the 5 billion people that live on less than $1 a day move here, nor the millions of Mexicans from their far richer country.

]]> it's the environment that matters

I see the environmental movement has truly been infiltrated by people with other agendas other than the environment. Yes there are many other ways to control immigration but none of you would ever agree to any of those methods either. The population of the US will soon be 400 million and that apparently doesn't matter. And please don't use stupid words like "bigot" and "racist" give me a break. I live in Arizona and see the effects of the uneducated masses living here every day. Sorry, kids, this is our country, and we cannot afford to have the 5 billion people that live on less than $1 a day move here, nor the millions of Mexicans from their far richer country.

]]> Comment #7 by Storm Dragon http://www.grist.org/article/big-balls-bigger-wall/ Thu, 01 Nov 2007 07:14:41 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/big-balls-bigger-wall/7 We can agree on that, but....

Dear cbloom,
    If you honestly believe that "it's the environment that matters"  how can you support destroying it in order to save it?

Let the jaguars return!


]]> We can agree on that, but....

Dear cbloom,
    If you honestly believe that "it's the environment that matters"  how can you support destroying it in order to save it?

Let the jaguars return!


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