<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for Bush exculpates bald eagle killer, others in first round of pardons]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by Biodiversivist http://www.grist.org/article/beg-pardon/ Tue, 25 Nov 2008 08:01:50 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/beg-pardon/1 The eagle killer

should be removed from society on the grounds that he is so stupid he's a hazard to all other life forms. W probably empathizes with him.

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world

]]> The eagle killer

should be removed from society on the grounds that he is so stupid he's a hazard to all other life forms. W probably empathizes with him.

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world

]]> Comment #2 by Bob Wallace http://www.grist.org/article/beg-pardon/ Tue, 25 Nov 2008 08:14:39 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/beg-pardon/2 Collier...

The guy screwed up.  He intended to kill some coyotes that were giving him trouble.

He unintentionally killed three eagles.

He plead guilty.  He received two years probation and paid a $10,000 fine.  There's no indication that he's broken any laws in the intervening 13 years.

Do we really want to be a society that does not practice forgiveness to those who have acknowledged their guilt and paid their dues?  

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The guy screwed up.  He intended to kill some coyotes that were giving him trouble.

He unintentionally killed three eagles.

He plead guilty.  He received two years probation and paid a $10,000 fine.  There's no indication that he's broken any laws in the intervening 13 years.

Do we really want to be a society that does not practice forgiveness to those who have acknowledged their guilt and paid their dues?  

]]> Comment #3 by Biodiversivist http://www.grist.org/article/beg-pardon/ Tue, 25 Nov 2008 08:21:05 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/beg-pardon/3 Why pick the eagle killer to pardon?

There must be tens of millions of people who have plead guilty, paid fines, and got a period of probation for doing something illegal. What makes this guy so special?

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world

]]> Why pick the eagle killer to pardon?

There must be tens of millions of people who have plead guilty, paid fines, and got a period of probation for doing something illegal. What makes this guy so special?

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world

]]> Comment #4 by Pangolin http://www.grist.org/article/beg-pardon/ Tue, 25 Nov 2008 08:48:26 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/beg-pardon/4 Follow the money.....

This is a group of people with NO morals. Somewhere a payment was made or a favor done to the Bush family. There's no political profit to be made pardoning the paroled killer of Bald Eagles.  The guy wasn't even in jail fer dogsakes.

Put the Carbon Back

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This is a group of people with NO morals. Somewhere a payment was made or a favor done to the Bush family. There's no political profit to be made pardoning the paroled killer of Bald Eagles.  The guy wasn't even in jail fer dogsakes.

Put the Carbon Back

]]> Comment #5 by Bob Wallace http://www.grist.org/article/beg-pardon/ Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:34:41 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/beg-pardon/5 My post was not about Bush...

and why or why not he chose this particular person to pardon.

It was about this "off with their heads", "one strike and you're out" attitude that I far too often on green/left-leaning discussion forums.

In another discussion in the last day or two a potential Obama appointee was roasted over a letter he had written 15-20 years ago.  There was, as far as I recall, no discussion over whether this was a continuing pattern with this person or something that happened 'back then'.

I'm suggesting that we need to give people an opportunity to change their ways, to become someone better.  

And I want to extend that opportunity to companies/corporations as well.

I'm just not an anarchist.  I do not believe that the way to get to a better place is to destroy everything we have today and start over.

Rather let's take what we have.  Look for the parts of it that are good and worth saving and start working on making the rest better.

It's a reuse/recycle sort of attitude....

]]> My post was not about Bush...

and why or why not he chose this particular person to pardon.

It was about this "off with their heads", "one strike and you're out" attitude that I far too often on green/left-leaning discussion forums.

In another discussion in the last day or two a potential Obama appointee was roasted over a letter he had written 15-20 years ago.  There was, as far as I recall, no discussion over whether this was a continuing pattern with this person or something that happened 'back then'.

I'm suggesting that we need to give people an opportunity to change their ways, to become someone better.  

And I want to extend that opportunity to companies/corporations as well.

I'm just not an anarchist.  I do not believe that the way to get to a better place is to destroy everything we have today and start over.

Rather let's take what we have.  Look for the parts of it that are good and worth saving and start working on making the rest better.

It's a reuse/recycle sort of attitude....

]]> Comment #6 by tlabadie http://www.grist.org/article/beg-pardon/ Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:53:06 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/beg-pardon/6 re: My post was not about Bush...

As opposed to the "off with their heads," "one strike and you're out" attitude we see far too often on non-green/right-leaning forums about other forms of crime?

Ignorance is no defense for breaking the law, particularly environmental law. Left or right.

- The truth always sounds like what you already believe.

]]> re: My post was not about Bush...

As opposed to the "off with their heads," "one strike and you're out" attitude we see far too often on non-green/right-leaning forums about other forms of crime?

Ignorance is no defense for breaking the law, particularly environmental law. Left or right.

- The truth always sounds like what you already believe.

]]> Comment #7 by Bob Wallace http://www.grist.org/article/beg-pardon/ Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:13:23 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/beg-pardon/7 Did you miss the part...

about the guy pleading guilty, receiving two years probation, and paying a $10,000 fine?

He did not get away with breaking the law.  He  paid for his mistake.

]]> Did you miss the part...

about the guy pleading guilty, receiving two years probation, and paying a $10,000 fine?

He did not get away with breaking the law.  He  paid for his mistake.

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