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            <title>Comment #1 by sunflower</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2006 05:28:04 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Nano-pollution</strong></p><p>Be careful with nanoparticles, they are an unquantified health and environmental risk because of size. &nbsp;They can pass through the blood membrane into the brain. &nbsp;That is my main worry concerning nanoparticles super capacitors for power storage.

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				<p><strong>Nano-pollution</strong></p><p>Be careful with nanoparticles, they are an unquantified health and environmental risk because of size. &nbsp;They can pass through the blood membrane into the brain. &nbsp;That is my main worry concerning nanoparticles super capacitors for power storage.

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            <title>Comment #2 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2006 23:35:59 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Woohooo!</strong></p><p>Excellent d! &nbsp; Can you estimate the ah rating from these batteries? &nbsp;You may have the first working plugin vehicle with these new batteries, congrats!!!</p><p>
I knew some of these batteries would "fall off a truck", they fell right onto ebay? &nbsp;Hehey.

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				<p><strong>Woohooo!</strong></p><p>Excellent d! &nbsp; Can you estimate the ah rating from these batteries? &nbsp;You may have the first working plugin vehicle with these new batteries, congrats!!!</p><p>
I knew some of these batteries would "fall off a truck", they fell right onto ebay? &nbsp;Hehey.

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            <title>Comment #3 by Laurence Aurbach</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 08:36:04 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Charged<p>This is very exciting &amp; I hope you do brag about the batteries! Please keep us updated on whether the cells are living up to published specs and how performance differs from NiCads and other lithium batteries. Does lithium phosphate represent as much of an advance over conventional Li-Ion as Li-Ion was over Ni-Cad?<p>
A123 Systems features a pretty amazing story about an <a href="http://www.a123racing.com/html/testimonials.html#billdube" rel="nofollow">electric motorcycle. Zero to 60 in 1.9 seconds -- how many gees is that? Also, about the nanoscale particles -- they are bonded to the electrode, are they not? Is there any possibility of a health hazard in that configuration?</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Charged<p>This is very exciting &amp; I hope you do brag about the batteries! Please keep us updated on whether the cells are living up to published specs and how performance differs from NiCads and other lithium batteries. Does lithium phosphate represent as much of an advance over conventional Li-Ion as Li-Ion was over Ni-Cad?<p>
A123 Systems features a pretty amazing story about an <a href="http://www.a123racing.com/html/testimonials.html#billdube" rel="nofollow">electric motorcycle. Zero to 60 in 1.9 seconds -- how many gees is that? Also, about the nanoscale particles -- they are bonded to the electrode, are they not? Is there any possibility of a health hazard in that configuration?</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Biodiversivist</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 06:30:48 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>For what it is worth:<p>Sunflower:<p>
It would not surprise me that nanoparticles may turn out to cause a problem. That is what environmentalists are for. Raise the alarm bell and set researchers off on a quest for glory and fame. I am also wondering about the supply of lithium and where it will come from.<p>
Amazingdrx:<p>
These particular cells are only 2.3 amphours each. There are higher power batteries out there but none are as safe, light, rechargeable and inexpensive. You can't have it all I guess. The new packs are 36 volts x 2.3 amphour = 82.8. The old packs were 12 volts x 7 amphour = 84. Also, the voltage does not fall off until the very end of your charge on Lithium, whereas with lead-acid, your voltage drops and drops and you get slower and slower until your motor quits working.<p>
Mr. Aurbach,<p>
I will keep you posted. They really do charge fast, that much I know already.<br>


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				<p><strong>For what it is worth:<p>Sunflower:<p>
It would not surprise me that nanoparticles may turn out to cause a problem. That is what environmentalists are for. Raise the alarm bell and set researchers off on a quest for glory and fame. I am also wondering about the supply of lithium and where it will come from.<p>
Amazingdrx:<p>
These particular cells are only 2.3 amphours each. There are higher power batteries out there but none are as safe, light, rechargeable and inexpensive. You can't have it all I guess. The new packs are 36 volts x 2.3 amphour = 82.8. The old packs were 12 volts x 7 amphour = 84. Also, the voltage does not fall off until the very end of your charge on Lithium, whereas with lead-acid, your voltage drops and drops and you get slower and slower until your motor quits working.<p>
Mr. Aurbach,<p>
I will keep you posted. They really do charge fast, that much I know already.<br>


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            <title>Comment #5 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 23:50:10 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Check this!<p><a href="http://thefraserdomain.typepad.com/energy/2006/08/paratransit_inc.html#comment-20843006" rel="nofollow">http://thefraserdomain.typepad.com/energy/2006/08/paratra...<p>
Dodge involved in these plugin taxis? &nbsp;It looks like it. &nbsp;But without nanotech (1 to 8 hour charge time). &nbsp;Still the weight is 100 pounds less than the comparable car powered by gasoline.<p>
I'm looking into zinc air batteries d. &nbsp;The low tech do it yourself alternative? &nbsp;Maybe?<p>
I can't afford a nano-tech lithium ion vehicle.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p></p></p></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Check this!<p><a href="http://thefraserdomain.typepad.com/energy/2006/08/paratransit_inc.html#comment-20843006" rel="nofollow">http://thefraserdomain.typepad.com/energy/2006/08/paratra...<p>
Dodge involved in these plugin taxis? &nbsp;It looks like it. &nbsp;But without nanotech (1 to 8 hour charge time). &nbsp;Still the weight is 100 pounds less than the comparable car powered by gasoline.<p>
I'm looking into zinc air batteries d. &nbsp;The low tech do it yourself alternative? &nbsp;Maybe?<p>
I can't afford a nano-tech lithium ion vehicle.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p></p></p></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 03:16:08 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Gate's foundation<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/13/us/13gates.html?hp&amp;ex=1155441600&amp;en=eb0bb0d0746a7727&amp;ei=5094&amp;partner=homepage" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/13/us/13gates.html?hp&amp;...<p>
The Gate's foundation faces a giveaway emergency. &nbsp;Will it fund ethanol or renewable electric transportation, so far it's funding ethanol.<p>
A big mass production scale purchase of these nano-tech batteries to be given to car conversion experimenters for demo projects would be a great choice. &nbsp;Any of you Seattlites know a Gates trustee? &nbsp;Hehey.

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				<p><strong>Gate's foundation<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/13/us/13gates.html?hp&amp;ex=1155441600&amp;en=eb0bb0d0746a7727&amp;ei=5094&amp;partner=homepage" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/13/us/13gates.html?hp&amp;...<p>
The Gate's foundation faces a giveaway emergency. &nbsp;Will it fund ethanol or renewable electric transportation, so far it's funding ethanol.<p>
A big mass production scale purchase of these nano-tech batteries to be given to car conversion experimenters for demo projects would be a great choice. &nbsp;Any of you Seattlites know a Gates trustee? &nbsp;Hehey.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p></p></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by Biodiversivist</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 04:20:33 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>The Gates foundation also funded<p>the Discovery Institue, based here in Seattle (for transportation studies, or so the story goes) which is the organization behind Intelligent Design. I do personally know one person who works for the Gates foundation. Competent, yes, a rocket scientist, he is not.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Help acquire and protect ecological hotspots, give to a conservation organization: <a href="http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>The Gates foundation also funded<p>the Discovery Institue, based here in Seattle (for transportation studies, or so the story goes) which is the organization behind Intelligent Design. I do personally know one person who works for the Gates foundation. Competent, yes, a rocket scientist, he is not.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Help acquire and protect ecological hotspots, give to a conservation organization: <a href="http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:40:06 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Be afraid..of batteries?<p><br>
Gate's cash diverted to Intelliegent Design? &nbsp;Nothing intelligent about that d!<p>
But here's one along Dave's new fear series. &nbsp;Fear of lithium ion batteries!<p>
Haaalp!<p>
Your laptop maybe a firebomb. &nbsp;Will terrorists shun liquid explosives in favor of laptops?<p>
<a href="http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,9075-2313541,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,9075-2313541...<p>
This may rush the introduction of nano tech fire proof lithium batteries? &nbsp;Or will it be the death knell of lithium ion? &nbsp;

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p></a></p></p></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Be afraid..of batteries?<p><br>
Gate's cash diverted to Intelliegent Design? &nbsp;Nothing intelligent about that d!<p>
But here's one along Dave's new fear series. &nbsp;Fear of lithium ion batteries!<p>
Haaalp!<p>
Your laptop maybe a firebomb. &nbsp;Will terrorists shun liquid explosives in favor of laptops?<p>
<a href="http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,9075-2313541,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,9075-2313541...<p>
This may rush the introduction of nano tech fire proof lithium batteries? &nbsp;Or will it be the death knell of lithium ion? &nbsp;

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p></a></p></p></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by Biodiversivist</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 02:12:48 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Here's a video of burning batteries... yikes<p><a href="http://www.valence.com/SafetyVideo.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.valence.com/SafetyVideo.asp

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				<p><strong>Here's a video of burning batteries... yikes<p><a href="http://www.valence.com/SafetyVideo.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.valence.com/SafetyVideo.asp

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Help acquire and protect ecological hotspots, give to a conservation organization: <a href="http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com</a></p></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:54:00 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Death knell<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/16/technology/16battery.html?ex=1155960000&amp;en=4f6485a3e7855d27&amp;ei=5070" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/16/technology/16battery.ht...<p>
This NYT article on batteries predicts the death knell for lithium ion and says Altair does not even care to compete with it's safer nano tech batteries. &nbsp;It says methanol fuel cells will win over batteries. &nbsp;Making liquid fuel the choice and that means &nbsp;CO 2.<p>
It's mainly due to safety and energy density. &nbsp;No mention of charge time is made.<p>
Pretty pessimistic.

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				<p><strong>Death knell<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/16/technology/16battery.html?ex=1155960000&amp;en=4f6485a3e7855d27&amp;ei=5070" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/16/technology/16battery.ht...<p>
This NYT article on batteries predicts the death knell for lithium ion and says Altair does not even care to compete with it's safer nano tech batteries. &nbsp;It says methanol fuel cells will win over batteries. &nbsp;Making liquid fuel the choice and that means &nbsp;CO 2.<p>
It's mainly due to safety and energy density. &nbsp;No mention of charge time is made.<p>
Pretty pessimistic.

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            <title>Comment #11 by sunflower</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 01:06:17 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>supercaps nanoparticles<p>There is new electrical storage under development. &nbsp;Electric green cars are coming to a future near you.<p>
We have found that synthesis of nanostructured vanadium nitride and controlled oxidation of the surface at the nanoscale is key to creating the next generation of supercapacitors commonly used in everything from cars, camcorders and lawn mowers to industrial backup power systems at hospitals and airports.<br>
<a href="http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/07/new_nanocrystal.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/07/new_nanocrystal.h...<br>


<p>Don't carpool alone.</p></br></a></br></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>supercaps nanoparticles<p>There is new electrical storage under development. &nbsp;Electric green cars are coming to a future near you.<p>
We have found that synthesis of nanostructured vanadium nitride and controlled oxidation of the surface at the nanoscale is key to creating the next generation of supercapacitors commonly used in everything from cars, camcorders and lawn mowers to industrial backup power systems at hospitals and airports.<br>
<a href="http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/07/new_nanocrystal.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/07/new_nanocrystal.h...<br>


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            <title>Comment #12 by Biodiversivist</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 02:30:07 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I don't care which technology wins<p>I just want an alternative that will snuff the looming destruction of our biodiversity by palm oil and soy based biofuels.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Help acquire and protect ecological hotspots, give to a conservation organization: <a href="http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>I don't care which technology wins<p>I just want an alternative that will snuff the looming destruction of our biodiversity by palm oil and soy based biofuels.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Help acquire and protect ecological hotspots, give to a conservation organization: <a href="http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #13 by GRLCowan</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 02:56:27 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Supercaps fill power demand peaks ...<p>of a few seconds or less. They store very little energy compared to batteries.<p>
--- G. R. L. Cowan, former hydrogen fan<br>
Boron: <a href="http://www.eagle.ca/~gcowan/Paper_for_11th_CHC.html" rel="nofollow">internal combustion of fuel that won't burn</a></br></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Supercaps fill power demand peaks ...<p>of a few seconds or less. They store very little energy compared to batteries.<p>
--- G. R. L. Cowan, former hydrogen fan<br>
Boron: <a href="http://www.eagle.ca/~gcowan/Paper_for_11th_CHC.html" rel="nofollow">internal combustion of fuel that won't burn</a></br></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #14 by sunflower</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 03:22:18 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>nano-imagination</strong></p><p>I am also agnostic on electrical storage. &nbsp;I am not a student of nanoscale chemistry but I've read that nanocrystalline supercapacitors (not available on the market) have much better energy density than lithium batteries and can be charged in minutes. &nbsp; The main issue with developers is cost. &nbsp;</p><p>
So often I have heard, "If it can be done it would already exist". &nbsp;I am an optimist. &nbsp;I believe in the possible because the impossible can not be proven.

<p>Don't carpool alone.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>nano-imagination</strong></p><p>I am also agnostic on electrical storage. &nbsp;I am not a student of nanoscale chemistry but I've read that nanocrystalline supercapacitors (not available on the market) have much better energy density than lithium batteries and can be charged in minutes. &nbsp; The main issue with developers is cost. &nbsp;</p><p>
So often I have heard, "If it can be done it would already exist". &nbsp;I am an optimist. &nbsp;I believe in the possible because the impossible can not be proven.

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            <title>Comment #15 by sunflower</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 03:51:52 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Nano-Link<p>A breakthrough technology is holding forth the promise of charging electronic gadgets in minutes, never having to replace a battery again, and dropping the cost of hybrid cars. Indeed, the technology has the potential to provide an energy storage device ten times more powerful than even the latest batteries in hybrid cars -- while outliving the vehicle itself.<br>
<a href="http://technologyreview.com/read_article.aspx?id=16326&amp;ch=nanotech" rel="nofollow">http://technologyreview.com/read_article.aspx?id=16326&am...

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				<p><strong>Nano-Link<p>A breakthrough technology is holding forth the promise of charging electronic gadgets in minutes, never having to replace a battery again, and dropping the cost of hybrid cars. Indeed, the technology has the potential to provide an energy storage device ten times more powerful than even the latest batteries in hybrid cars -- while outliving the vehicle itself.<br>
<a href="http://technologyreview.com/read_article.aspx?id=16326&amp;ch=nanotech" rel="nofollow">http://technologyreview.com/read_article.aspx?id=16326&am...

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            <title>Comment #16 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 00:43:47 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>New fuel cell!<p><a href="http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2006/8/19/2245050.html" rel="nofollow">http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2006/8/19/...<p>
With this fuel cell as a backup generator only 50 miles of storage from the very expensive nano batteries or very heavy conventional batteries would be needed. &nbsp;It could give an electric hybrid vehicle the range of an ICE vehicle with 200+ mpg.<br>


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				<p><strong>New fuel cell!<p><a href="http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2006/8/19/2245050.html" rel="nofollow">http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2006/8/19/...<p>
With this fuel cell as a backup generator only 50 miles of storage from the very expensive nano batteries or very heavy conventional batteries would be needed. &nbsp;It could give an electric hybrid vehicle the range of an ICE vehicle with 200+ mpg.<br>


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            <title>Comment #17 by Biodiversivist</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:44:14 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>They are claiming twice the efficiency of<p>an ICE. If that means that it will deliver twice the gas mileage when used to power an electric car, then this is really big. As you describe on your blog, it will also allow hybrid cars to toss the internal combustion engine, its radiator, and transmission for one electric motor using multiple sources for electricity. An engineer's dream car.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Help acquire and protect ecological hotspots, give to a conservation organization: <a href="http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>They are claiming twice the efficiency of<p>an ICE. If that means that it will deliver twice the gas mileage when used to power an electric car, then this is really big. As you describe on your blog, it will also allow hybrid cars to toss the internal combustion engine, its radiator, and transmission for one electric motor using multiple sources for electricity. An engineer's dream car.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Help acquire and protect ecological hotspots, give to a conservation organization: <a href="http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #18 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:52:09 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Yep twice d</strong></p><p>And with these high temp fuel cells a lot of hot gases are produced, that is why their efficiency is much lower than say a pure hydrogen fuel cell. &nbsp;But we know about the seemingly insurmountable storage problems with hydrogen.</p><p>
Liquid fuels are easily stored and supplied to vehicles at gas stations, unlike hydrogen. &nbsp;</p><p>
If the hot gases from the high temperature fuel cell, are fed into a microturbine the efficiency of the system aproaches 75%, 5 times the efficiency of an ICE. &nbsp;That means 200 mpg is possible in an economy car that normally gets 40 mpg.</p><p>
Couple that to a car that runs 50 miles on batteries alone, before the fuel cell even starts up, and we might see a drop to 10% of the liquid fuel an iCE powered car uses. &nbsp;Most trips between charging oppurtunities for a quick charge battery electric car are under 50 miles.</p><p>
Oh BTW, saw Lester brown on CNN yesterday, dissing fuel farming and boosting plugin wind electric powered cars! &nbsp;Nobody does it better. &nbsp;</p><p>
He said that Brazil supplies 405 of it's motor fuel from sugar based ethanol, but that only equals 3% of US motor fuel consumption. &nbsp;He says it has doubled the price of sugar in brazil, &nbsp;and that ethanol from corn could double corn prices. </p><p>
He pointed out that this will cause mass starvation in the developing world. &nbsp;The capacity for both food and fuel simply does not exist. 

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				<p><strong>Yep twice d</strong></p><p>And with these high temp fuel cells a lot of hot gases are produced, that is why their efficiency is much lower than say a pure hydrogen fuel cell. &nbsp;But we know about the seemingly insurmountable storage problems with hydrogen.</p><p>
Liquid fuels are easily stored and supplied to vehicles at gas stations, unlike hydrogen. &nbsp;</p><p>
If the hot gases from the high temperature fuel cell, are fed into a microturbine the efficiency of the system aproaches 75%, 5 times the efficiency of an ICE. &nbsp;That means 200 mpg is possible in an economy car that normally gets 40 mpg.</p><p>
Couple that to a car that runs 50 miles on batteries alone, before the fuel cell even starts up, and we might see a drop to 10% of the liquid fuel an iCE powered car uses. &nbsp;Most trips between charging oppurtunities for a quick charge battery electric car are under 50 miles.</p><p>
Oh BTW, saw Lester brown on CNN yesterday, dissing fuel farming and boosting plugin wind electric powered cars! &nbsp;Nobody does it better. &nbsp;</p><p>
He said that Brazil supplies 405 of it's motor fuel from sugar based ethanol, but that only equals 3% of US motor fuel consumption. &nbsp;He says it has doubled the price of sugar in brazil, &nbsp;and that ethanol from corn could double corn prices. </p><p>
He pointed out that this will cause mass starvation in the developing world. &nbsp;The capacity for both food and fuel simply does not exist. 

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            <title>Comment #19 by Biodiversivist</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 20 Aug 2006 12:40:54 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Solar cells are much more<p>efficient than a plant at snaring solar energy. 

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				<p><strong>Solar cells are much more<p>efficient than a plant at snaring solar energy. 

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Help acquire and protect ecological hotspots, give to a conservation organization: <a href="http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #20 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 20 Aug 2006 22:56:50 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Latest solar film tech<p><a href="http://www.sassperess.com/archives/2006/05/hawaiian_holdup.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.sassperess.com/archives/2006/05/hawaiian_holdu...<p>
This is interesting. &nbsp;Solar CEO and engineers on the latest thin film solar.<p>
Nano fibers of silicon embedded in plastic might beat solid silicon PV cells. &nbsp;it would take a lot less purified silicon, the choke point in the PV supply chain.<p>
It's based on the new conductive plastics, composed of micro metal fibers embedded in plastic. &nbsp;A company touted by stock slingers (for what that's worth) has this material in testing for everything from cellphone cases that act as their own antennae to car body parts as strong as metal and as light and resilient as plastic.<p>
Supposedly the parts that all the big manufacturers are making are in the test mold stage for replacing regular metal and plastic parts with this new metal/plastic hybrid material.<p>
Better buy a few 100 shares? &nbsp;It's around 5 bucks now, hehey. 

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				<p><strong>Latest solar film tech<p><a href="http://www.sassperess.com/archives/2006/05/hawaiian_holdup.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.sassperess.com/archives/2006/05/hawaiian_holdu...<p>
This is interesting. &nbsp;Solar CEO and engineers on the latest thin film solar.<p>
Nano fibers of silicon embedded in plastic might beat solid silicon PV cells. &nbsp;it would take a lot less purified silicon, the choke point in the PV supply chain.<p>
It's based on the new conductive plastics, composed of micro metal fibers embedded in plastic. &nbsp;A company touted by stock slingers (for what that's worth) has this material in testing for everything from cellphone cases that act as their own antennae to car body parts as strong as metal and as light and resilient as plastic.<p>
Supposedly the parts that all the big manufacturers are making are in the test mold stage for replacing regular metal and plastic parts with this new metal/plastic hybrid material.<p>
Better buy a few 100 shares? &nbsp;It's around 5 bucks now, hehey. 

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            <title>Comment #21 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 20 Aug 2006 23:29:33 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Whoops<p><a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=ITKG.OB&amp;t=6m" rel="nofollow">http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=ITKG.OB&amp;t=6m<p>
I was wrong, it's hovering around 3 bucks, up from a buck the last 6 months. &nbsp;Stock tout scam or real investment? &nbsp;Not sure.<p>
But if electroplastic replaced metal and regular plastics who knows?

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				<p><strong>Whoops<p><a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=ITKG.OB&amp;t=6m" rel="nofollow">http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=ITKG.OB&amp;t=6m<p>
I was wrong, it's hovering around 3 bucks, up from a buck the last 6 months. &nbsp;Stock tout scam or real investment? &nbsp;Not sure.<p>
But if electroplastic replaced metal and regular plastics who knows?

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            <title>Comment #22 by sunflower</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 00:14:24 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Caveat emptor</strong></p><p>I've been watching the investment world on solar. &nbsp;Investor beware. &nbsp;The method of the madness is whatever moves paper. &nbsp;There is little to no due diligence on viability. &nbsp;It follows the consumer market on residential solar equipment at any cost. &nbsp;Most buyers do not evaluate cost and value, rather the criteria is green and good for the Earth. &nbsp;Nice. &nbsp;Sustainable?</p><p>
I advise all to absolutely avoid plastic solar collectors of all types. &nbsp;UV degrades polymers. &nbsp;Stay true with glass, metal, and concrete.</p>
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				<p><strong>Caveat emptor</strong></p><p>I've been watching the investment world on solar. &nbsp;Investor beware. &nbsp;The method of the madness is whatever moves paper. &nbsp;There is little to no due diligence on viability. &nbsp;It follows the consumer market on residential solar equipment at any cost. &nbsp;Most buyers do not evaluate cost and value, rather the criteria is green and good for the Earth. &nbsp;Nice. &nbsp;Sustainable?</p><p>
I advise all to absolutely avoid plastic solar collectors of all types. &nbsp;UV degrades polymers. &nbsp;Stay true with glass, metal, and concrete.</p>
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            <title>Comment #23 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:50:56 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Electric car with generator<p><a href="http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2006/8/29/2277472.html" rel="nofollow">http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2006/8/29/...<p>
Could it get 400mpg with a solid oxide fuel cell/microturbine instead of this ICE generator? &nbsp;I think so. &nbsp; 

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Could it get 400mpg with a solid oxide fuel cell/microturbine instead of this ICE generator? &nbsp;I think so. &nbsp; 

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