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            <title>Comment #1 by Gustavion</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 03:53:51 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Very Neat</strong></p><p>Thanks for the write up. &nbsp;I'll definitely check out the book.</p>
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				<p><strong>Very Neat</strong></p><p>Thanks for the write up. &nbsp;I'll definitely check out the book.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Chloe501</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:27:53 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>gmos</strong></p><p>Not all scientists nor everyone with a background in scientific methodology leaps to unfounded and unverified conclusions. &nbsp;</p>
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				<p><strong>gmos</strong></p><p>Not all scientists nor everyone with a background in scientific methodology leaps to unfounded and unverified conclusions. &nbsp;</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by rrecroc</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:04:03 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>The Next Step Logically ......</strong></p><p>(and you know we are now tampering with mosquito dna to try to solve the problem of malaria) is genetically modified people.</p>
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				<p><strong>The Next Step Logically ......</strong></p><p>(and you know we are now tampering with mosquito dna to try to solve the problem of malaria) is genetically modified people.</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by lirene</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:28:49 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>GMO seeds now widespread</strong></p><p>If you want to educate yourself about this very important issue, some good places to begin are</p><p>
&lt;http://www.seedalliance.org/index.php?page=SeminisMonsanto&gt;</p><p>
and</p><p>
&lt;http://www.fedcoseeds.com/seeds/monsanto.htm&gt;</p><p>
&lt;http://www.fedcoseeds.com/seeds/terminator.htm&gt;</p><p>
If you want seeds that do not originate from a Monsanto-owned company, be sure to ask in your seed order that no seeds coming from Seminis be included. It's disheartening to learn how many of our favorite seed companies now sell seeds (unmarked) that come from Monsanto-owned Seminis.</p>
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				<p><strong>GMO seeds now widespread</strong></p><p>If you want to educate yourself about this very important issue, some good places to begin are</p><p>
&lt;http://www.seedalliance.org/index.php?page=SeminisMonsanto&gt;</p><p>
and</p><p>
&lt;http://www.fedcoseeds.com/seeds/monsanto.htm&gt;</p><p>
&lt;http://www.fedcoseeds.com/seeds/terminator.htm&gt;</p><p>
If you want seeds that do not originate from a Monsanto-owned company, be sure to ask in your seed order that no seeds coming from Seminis be included. It's disheartening to learn how many of our favorite seed companies now sell seeds (unmarked) that come from Monsanto-owned Seminis.</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by Rick North</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 06:04:31 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Cummings interview</strong></p><p>Thank you for the Claire Cummings interview, but your introductory comments that anyone rejecting GMO's do so "without really understanding the science or economics behind them" is totally off base. Then you make matters even worse by implying that everyone with science and technology backgrounds are all pro-GMO.</p><p>
Oregon Physicians for Social Responsibility has intensively studied the science, history and politics behind GMO's for the past five years. Our concerns about GMO's aren't instead of science, they're BASED ON science. Unfortunately, science revealing dangers of GMO's tends to get ignored or shoved under the rug.</p><p>
As world-renowned geneticist Dr. David Suzuki asserted (one of hundreds, if not thousands, of scientists opposing GMO's), "Once we cross species barriers, we're in brand new territory. We have absolutely no idea what might happen." </p><p>
Please keep the interviews coming, but do a little homework to head off the inaccurate, gross generalizations.</p>
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				<p><strong>Cummings interview</strong></p><p>Thank you for the Claire Cummings interview, but your introductory comments that anyone rejecting GMO's do so "without really understanding the science or economics behind them" is totally off base. Then you make matters even worse by implying that everyone with science and technology backgrounds are all pro-GMO.</p><p>
Oregon Physicians for Social Responsibility has intensively studied the science, history and politics behind GMO's for the past five years. Our concerns about GMO's aren't instead of science, they're BASED ON science. Unfortunately, science revealing dangers of GMO's tends to get ignored or shoved under the rug.</p><p>
As world-renowned geneticist Dr. David Suzuki asserted (one of hundreds, if not thousands, of scientists opposing GMO's), "Once we cross species barriers, we're in brand new territory. We have absolutely no idea what might happen." </p><p>
Please keep the interviews coming, but do a little homework to head off the inaccurate, gross generalizations.</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by peacefulpete</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 04:03:23 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>science is not rape</strong></p><p>I'm not biting:<br>
Cummings: "Genetically modifying a plant severs its relationship to its evolutionary course, and inserts into it, by force -- using a gene gun or bacteria -- some human idea of what the plant should do. The technology is limited both by its violent nature and our imagination."</p><p>
This rape/assault metaphor is an utterly irrelevant and inapproriate frame for a weak argument based upon fear of the unkown. &nbsp;(BTW, naturally occurring viruses randomly insert utterly foreign DNA into billions of plants a day. This mechanism, uncontrolled by man, has been a major driver of plant evolution for eons. &nbsp;Terrifying...)</p><p>
Cummings: "Most GMOs are plants that don't die when sprayed with a lethal herbicide, or ones that exude insecticide." </p><p>
Selective breeding can achieve this same end, affording resistance to insects, infection, drought, high winds etc. &nbsp;"Severing" a plant's ecological course, indeed! &nbsp;How exactly does one, without hindsight, know a plant's "evolutionary course" anyway? &nbsp;Just asking... &nbsp;</p><p>
It seems your real problem with modern agricultural methods, as is the case with most anti-GMO zealots, is illustrated in this buried lede:</p><p>
Cummings: "That's Monsanto's idea of how to use nature to make money. The point of GMOs is control over seeds for profit."</p><p>
It's ECONOMICS that many concern trolls like Ms. Cummings are really espousing. &nbsp;Like the Luddites of old, the real issues here are socio-economic, but are buried in the viscerally evocative language of victimology and ignorance-driven fear. &nbsp;Again, I'm not buying it. &nbsp;</p><p>
Talk to me about sustainability and the resurrection of local farm-based communities, talk to me about the inherent ecological and socio-economic value of polyculture, then I'll have some respect for your position. &nbsp;Keep up this fear-mongering, ignorance-based claptrap about "altering the nature of nature" and you'll have very few scientists like myself on your side in ANY argument.</p><p>
Here, Cummings offers little more than the same, tired neo-liberal "I shop at Whole Foods and made my dog a vegan so I love the Earth more than you" feel-good bullshit. "I hate/fear GMO, so I'm GREEEEN!" &nbsp;This is bite-sized, microwave ready ecology for the TV generation. &nbsp;Spare us...PLEASE!</p><p>
Real concern for the environment demands action on substantial, substantiated, and immediate assaults on our ecosystem. I know it's boring (especially compared to the Frankenfoods "debate") and seems mundane to talk about greenhouse emissions and fuel efficiency; clean water and fisheries protection, etc., etc. &nbsp; Those issues, not the relatively insignificant ecological impact of Bt cotton and banana-based antiviral vaccines, demand our attention. </p><p>
Absent immediate, EFFECTIVE action on those fronts, arguments about GMO and other false eco-demons will be but passing asides in the campfire stories of the future; told by the remnants of humanity not yet tossed onto the trasheap of evolution.</p><p>
Think Globally, act Locally.</p><p>
Pete &nbsp; </br></p>
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				<p><strong>science is not rape</strong></p><p>I'm not biting:<br>
Cummings: "Genetically modifying a plant severs its relationship to its evolutionary course, and inserts into it, by force -- using a gene gun or bacteria -- some human idea of what the plant should do. The technology is limited both by its violent nature and our imagination."</p><p>
This rape/assault metaphor is an utterly irrelevant and inapproriate frame for a weak argument based upon fear of the unkown. &nbsp;(BTW, naturally occurring viruses randomly insert utterly foreign DNA into billions of plants a day. This mechanism, uncontrolled by man, has been a major driver of plant evolution for eons. &nbsp;Terrifying...)</p><p>
Cummings: "Most GMOs are plants that don't die when sprayed with a lethal herbicide, or ones that exude insecticide." </p><p>
Selective breeding can achieve this same end, affording resistance to insects, infection, drought, high winds etc. &nbsp;"Severing" a plant's ecological course, indeed! &nbsp;How exactly does one, without hindsight, know a plant's "evolutionary course" anyway? &nbsp;Just asking... &nbsp;</p><p>
It seems your real problem with modern agricultural methods, as is the case with most anti-GMO zealots, is illustrated in this buried lede:</p><p>
Cummings: "That's Monsanto's idea of how to use nature to make money. The point of GMOs is control over seeds for profit."</p><p>
It's ECONOMICS that many concern trolls like Ms. Cummings are really espousing. &nbsp;Like the Luddites of old, the real issues here are socio-economic, but are buried in the viscerally evocative language of victimology and ignorance-driven fear. &nbsp;Again, I'm not buying it. &nbsp;</p><p>
Talk to me about sustainability and the resurrection of local farm-based communities, talk to me about the inherent ecological and socio-economic value of polyculture, then I'll have some respect for your position. &nbsp;Keep up this fear-mongering, ignorance-based claptrap about "altering the nature of nature" and you'll have very few scientists like myself on your side in ANY argument.</p><p>
Here, Cummings offers little more than the same, tired neo-liberal "I shop at Whole Foods and made my dog a vegan so I love the Earth more than you" feel-good bullshit. "I hate/fear GMO, so I'm GREEEEN!" &nbsp;This is bite-sized, microwave ready ecology for the TV generation. &nbsp;Spare us...PLEASE!</p><p>
Real concern for the environment demands action on substantial, substantiated, and immediate assaults on our ecosystem. I know it's boring (especially compared to the Frankenfoods "debate") and seems mundane to talk about greenhouse emissions and fuel efficiency; clean water and fisheries protection, etc., etc. &nbsp; Those issues, not the relatively insignificant ecological impact of Bt cotton and banana-based antiviral vaccines, demand our attention. </p><p>
Absent immediate, EFFECTIVE action on those fronts, arguments about GMO and other false eco-demons will be but passing asides in the campfire stories of the future; told by the remnants of humanity not yet tossed onto the trasheap of evolution.</p><p>
Think Globally, act Locally.</p><p>
Pete &nbsp; </br></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by peacefulpete</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 04:19:20 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>soylent green is PEOPLE!<p>Yeah, it would suck to have your child made immunocompetent, wouldn't it?<p>
<a href="http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/1995pres/951019a.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/1995pres/951019a.html<p>
October 19, 1995 Results from First Human Gene Therapy Clinical Trial<p>
Two years after receiving their last infusions of genetically altered cells to boost their weakened immune systems, the first patients ever to undergo gene therapy are still healthy and benefiting from the treatment. <p>
According to a historic research paper published today in Science, the two girls still have white blood cells bearing copies of the replacement ADA gene. Patient 1, whose health improved significantly following gene therapy, has maintained a normal white blood cell count as well as measurable levels of the ADA enzyme, which was almost nonexistent prior to the treatment. Both girls also have developed stronger immune systems, showing improved immune reactions in a battery of tests conducted over the course of the four-year study. </p></p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>soylent green is PEOPLE!<p>Yeah, it would suck to have your child made immunocompetent, wouldn't it?<p>
<a href="http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/1995pres/951019a.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/1995pres/951019a.html<p>
October 19, 1995 Results from First Human Gene Therapy Clinical Trial<p>
Two years after receiving their last infusions of genetically altered cells to boost their weakened immune systems, the first patients ever to undergo gene therapy are still healthy and benefiting from the treatment. <p>
According to a historic research paper published today in Science, the two girls still have white blood cells bearing copies of the replacement ADA gene. Patient 1, whose health improved significantly following gene therapy, has maintained a normal white blood cell count as well as measurable levels of the ADA enzyme, which was almost nonexistent prior to the treatment. Both girls also have developed stronger immune systems, showing improved immune reactions in a battery of tests conducted over the course of the four-year study. </p></p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by mtvyfan</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 08:23:04 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Thank you! Now I have another hero!</strong></p><p>Thank you so much Ms. Cummings for writing and so eloquently summing up the danger of GMOs. Jeffrey Smith is a hero of mine and now you are, too.</p><p>
I have just started my first garden this year and have been amazed at how just will a little nurturing on my part how plants can simply thrive! You really don't have to do much but water them and harvest. These little seeds grow to a jungle (my garden now).</p><p>
Humans don't realize how life even works, let alone tinkering with the basic beginnings of life.</p><p>
I will definitely be reading your book and proudly display it next to "Seeds of Deception."</p>
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				<p><strong>Thank you! Now I have another hero!</strong></p><p>Thank you so much Ms. Cummings for writing and so eloquently summing up the danger of GMOs. Jeffrey Smith is a hero of mine and now you are, too.</p><p>
I have just started my first garden this year and have been amazed at how just will a little nurturing on my part how plants can simply thrive! You really don't have to do much but water them and harvest. These little seeds grow to a jungle (my garden now).</p><p>
Humans don't realize how life even works, let alone tinkering with the basic beginnings of life.</p><p>
I will definitely be reading your book and proudly display it next to "Seeds of Deception."</p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by PermieWriter</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 05:41:59 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Our seeds<p>It sounds like Cummings is making some excellent points about agricultural transgenics. The problem isn't what the plants do (thought that's been <a href="http://www.organicconsumers.org/ge/weed_resistance.cfm" rel="nofollow">bad enough, but what we don't know. Maybe they're as dangerous as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81rp%C3%A1d_Pusztai" rel="nofollow">Dr. Pusztai's test indicates, but since that experiment has never been repeated because of pressure from the biotech companies, we don't know. We don't know how much farmers are suffering because of the agro-chem corporations' practices because those farmers are systematically silenced. We don't know if the GMOs we eat every day are affecting our health because those foods aren't labeled - again due to systematic efforts by the companies that develop and sell those technology/crops.<br>
I have no objection to transgenic technology in the lab, it's when it gets into the rest of the world that it bothers me, particularly when it's released in an irresponsible way by companies that make it clear that their only concern is short-term profits.<br>
To get involved in the fight to keep those corporations under control, check out <a href="http://www.calgefree.org/" rel="nofollow">Californians for GE-Free Agriculture.<br>
BTW, I'm growing calendula and it rocks. The petals are great in salad!<br>
&nbsp;</br></br></a></br></br></a></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Our seeds<p>It sounds like Cummings is making some excellent points about agricultural transgenics. The problem isn't what the plants do (thought that's been <a href="http://www.organicconsumers.org/ge/weed_resistance.cfm" rel="nofollow">bad enough, but what we don't know. Maybe they're as dangerous as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81rp%C3%A1d_Pusztai" rel="nofollow">Dr. Pusztai's test indicates, but since that experiment has never been repeated because of pressure from the biotech companies, we don't know. We don't know how much farmers are suffering because of the agro-chem corporations' practices because those farmers are systematically silenced. We don't know if the GMOs we eat every day are affecting our health because those foods aren't labeled - again due to systematic efforts by the companies that develop and sell those technology/crops.<br>
I have no objection to transgenic technology in the lab, it's when it gets into the rest of the world that it bothers me, particularly when it's released in an irresponsible way by companies that make it clear that their only concern is short-term profits.<br>
To get involved in the fight to keep those corporations under control, check out <a href="http://www.calgefree.org/" rel="nofollow">Californians for GE-Free Agriculture.<br>
BTW, I'm growing calendula and it rocks. The petals are great in salad!<br>
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            <title>Comment #10 by kindredspeaker</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:26:10 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>A Renaissance of Voluntary Ethics<p>The issues of genetic and nuclear technologies are frightening. &nbsp;These are powerful natural systems that have existed long before we began to notice them. &nbsp;It is the daily fascination and horror faced by man-kind: the power to re-shape the cradle of our own existence. &nbsp;<p>
And what of the other side of our existence? &nbsp;What happens beyond the veil of spirit when we reassemble the building blocks? &nbsp;Does Gaia cry out in pain? &nbsp;Or does she beam in pride at our progress? &nbsp;<p>
Friction between two great forces of intention creates heat; new truths are forged within. Fear is the first casualty of Truth.<p>
Monsanto: people. &nbsp;Berkley: people. &nbsp;Bright minds in search of the best way. &nbsp;Peace, having no enemies, is achieved by inclusion. <p>
This powerful technology and the implied possibilities it awakens reminds us that we are all connected; we are indeed, all One.<p>
~Adrienne~<p>
Some of these ideas came from the following sources, (mixed with lots of other good stuff, including my amazing boyfriend, the creative scientist, Mark!)<p>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDN6ZcZ0y9I&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow"> Mayan Calendar Interpretation by the late Ian Xel Lungold (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDN6ZcZ0y9I&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDN6ZcZ0y9I&amp;feature=related)<p>
<a href="http://eckharttolle.com/a_new_earth" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow"> A New Earth, by Eckhart Tolle (<a href="http://eckharttolle.com/a_new_earth" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">http://eckharttolle.com/a_new_earth)  <p>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMWAgtb9ZTY" rel="nofollow"> Duke 2008 Commencement Address by Barbara Kingsolver (href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMWAgtb9ZTY) </a></p></a></a></p></a></a></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>A Renaissance of Voluntary Ethics<p>The issues of genetic and nuclear technologies are frightening. &nbsp;These are powerful natural systems that have existed long before we began to notice them. &nbsp;It is the daily fascination and horror faced by man-kind: the power to re-shape the cradle of our own existence. &nbsp;<p>
And what of the other side of our existence? &nbsp;What happens beyond the veil of spirit when we reassemble the building blocks? &nbsp;Does Gaia cry out in pain? &nbsp;Or does she beam in pride at our progress? &nbsp;<p>
Friction between two great forces of intention creates heat; new truths are forged within. Fear is the first casualty of Truth.<p>
Monsanto: people. &nbsp;Berkley: people. &nbsp;Bright minds in search of the best way. &nbsp;Peace, having no enemies, is achieved by inclusion. <p>
This powerful technology and the implied possibilities it awakens reminds us that we are all connected; we are indeed, all One.<p>
~Adrienne~<p>
Some of these ideas came from the following sources, (mixed with lots of other good stuff, including my amazing boyfriend, the creative scientist, Mark!)<p>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDN6ZcZ0y9I&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow"> Mayan Calendar Interpretation by the late Ian Xel Lungold (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDN6ZcZ0y9I&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDN6ZcZ0y9I&amp;feature=related)<p>
<a href="http://eckharttolle.com/a_new_earth" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow"> A New Earth, by Eckhart Tolle (<a href="http://eckharttolle.com/a_new_earth" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">http://eckharttolle.com/a_new_earth)  <p>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMWAgtb9ZTY" rel="nofollow"> Duke 2008 Commencement Address by Barbara Kingsolver (href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMWAgtb9ZTY) </a></p></a></a></p></a></a></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #11 by Anastasia</title>
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				<p><strong>Genetic engineering is not Monsanto</strong></p><p>Cummings, despite being a lawyer, has inexplicably chosen to bypass intelligent discussion of the legal and economic challenges facing equitable distribution of all forms of technology. She barely touches the ethical and social issues involved when farmers either seek to or are forced to move from traditional farming methods to more complex and possibly inappropriate farming methods. She instead repeats the same sad quasi-science bleated by so many anti-technology sheep, because it is easier to blame genetic engineering for all agricultural and environmental problems than it is to actually learn about any of the thousands of issues involved. This type of writing isn't going to help anyone, least of all the poor farmers in developing countries that she and her elitist ilk only pretends to protect. Yawn.</p>
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				<p><strong>Genetic engineering is not Monsanto</strong></p><p>Cummings, despite being a lawyer, has inexplicably chosen to bypass intelligent discussion of the legal and economic challenges facing equitable distribution of all forms of technology. She barely touches the ethical and social issues involved when farmers either seek to or are forced to move from traditional farming methods to more complex and possibly inappropriate farming methods. She instead repeats the same sad quasi-science bleated by so many anti-technology sheep, because it is easier to blame genetic engineering for all agricultural and environmental problems than it is to actually learn about any of the thousands of issues involved. This type of writing isn't going to help anyone, least of all the poor farmers in developing countries that she and her elitist ilk only pretends to protect. Yawn.</p>
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            <title>Comment #12 by rizamerk</title>
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				<p><strong>Interesting</strong></p><p>The article seems to have raised all kinds of questions in my head, but the most intriguing part to me is how the author is being attacked by both sides of the argument. Sure is hard to please people.</p>
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				<p><strong>Interesting</strong></p><p>The article seems to have raised all kinds of questions in my head, but the most intriguing part to me is how the author is being attacked by both sides of the argument. Sure is hard to please people.</p>
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