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            <title>Comment #1 by Jason D Scorse</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:42:22 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>hopefully some facts will enter in....<p>

organic chemicals and inputs can be bad and no one ever said they weren't<p>
the number of disease outbreaks in organic v. non-organic should tell the proper story<p>
the number of disease outbreaks linked to meat v. veggies is another thing that people should look at<p>
who wants to tell people in cold climes that they can't eat spinach?



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				<p><strong>hopefully some facts will enter in....<p>

organic chemicals and inputs can be bad and no one ever said they weren't<p>
the number of disease outbreaks in organic v. non-organic should tell the proper story<p>
the number of disease outbreaks linked to meat v. veggies is another thing that people should look at<p>
who wants to tell people in cold climes that they can't eat spinach?



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            <title>Comment #2 by cmargulis</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:43:39 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>bad day for organics<p>another fact:<p>
while the company does pack organic spinach, it also packs many brands of "conventional" (ie, pesticide-laden) spinach. So far, no one seems to know if the current cases were from conventional or organically grown spinach (or both). See <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/17/us/17spinach.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/17/us/17spinach.html 

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				<p><strong>bad day for organics<p>another fact:<p>
while the company does pack organic spinach, it also packs many brands of "conventional" (ie, pesticide-laden) spinach. So far, no one seems to know if the current cases were from conventional or organically grown spinach (or both). See <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/17/us/17spinach.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/17/us/17spinach.html 

<p>www.centerforfoodsafety.org
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            <title>Comment #3 by sloov</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:53:44 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>organics not to blame after all<p><a href="http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=5420755&amp;nav=S6aK" rel="nofollow">http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=5420755&amp;nav=S...<p>
"Natural Selection Foods says federal and state health inspectors confirmed that through manufacturing codes from packages of spinach that infected patients turned over. All the codes came from non-organic spinach."</p></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>organics not to blame after all<p><a href="http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=5420755&amp;nav=S6aK" rel="nofollow">http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=5420755&amp;nav=S...<p>
"Natural Selection Foods says federal and state health inspectors confirmed that through manufacturing codes from packages of spinach that infected patients turned over. All the codes came from non-organic spinach."</p></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by aavery</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 03:02:17 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Organic products not off the hook yet, by far</strong></p><p>I just got off the phone with the FDA Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition. They totally deny claims that organic products have not been implicated in this outbreak. "We are not at all able to confirm that claim. It is not accurate."</p><p>
In fact, CFSAN says the investigation is moving from the packaging level down to the farm/field level because two different packing facilities have been implicated -- yet the source for spinach in both instances was Natural Selection farms.</p><p>
So how did the O157:H7 get onto Natural Selection's farm? Could it not be organic manure for fertilizer? Naw, that's ridiculous. Manure is only the primary reservior of pathogenic bacteria. Why on earth would we think that manure-based fertilizer might contaminate food growing on the ground?</p><p>
This investigation is far from over. Moreover, it will never (and cannot ever) definitively determine the source of the contamination. Manure will always be a high-probability suspect, regardless of what conclusions are made.

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				<p><strong>Organic products not off the hook yet, by far</strong></p><p>I just got off the phone with the FDA Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition. They totally deny claims that organic products have not been implicated in this outbreak. "We are not at all able to confirm that claim. It is not accurate."</p><p>
In fact, CFSAN says the investigation is moving from the packaging level down to the farm/field level because two different packing facilities have been implicated -- yet the source for spinach in both instances was Natural Selection farms.</p><p>
So how did the O157:H7 get onto Natural Selection's farm? Could it not be organic manure for fertilizer? Naw, that's ridiculous. Manure is only the primary reservior of pathogenic bacteria. Why on earth would we think that manure-based fertilizer might contaminate food growing on the ground?</p><p>
This investigation is far from over. Moreover, it will never (and cannot ever) definitively determine the source of the contamination. Manure will always be a high-probability suspect, regardless of what conclusions are made.

<p>Alex</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by aavery</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 03:10:17 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>More FDA officials refute claims by NS Foods<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060918/ap_on_he_me/tainted_spinach" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060918/ap_on_he_me/tainted_s...<p>
excerpt of AP news story at above link:<br>
[FDA spokeswoman Susan Bro] also dismissed a claim by Natural Selection Foods LLC, the country's largest grower of organic produce, that its organic spinach products had been cleared of suspicion. "The FDA has not cleared any products from the list and continues to recommend consumers avoid eating fresh spinach products," Bro said.<p>
As I said, this has a long way to go and the organic industry is in obvious and self-serving damage control. 

<p>Alex</p></p></br></p></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>More FDA officials refute claims by NS Foods<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060918/ap_on_he_me/tainted_spinach" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060918/ap_on_he_me/tainted_s...<p>
excerpt of AP news story at above link:<br>
[FDA spokeswoman Susan Bro] also dismissed a claim by Natural Selection Foods LLC, the country's largest grower of organic produce, that its organic spinach products had been cleared of suspicion. "The FDA has not cleared any products from the list and continues to recommend consumers avoid eating fresh spinach products," Bro said.<p>
As I said, this has a long way to go and the organic industry is in obvious and self-serving damage control. 

<p>Alex</p></p></br></p></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by JMG</title>
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				<p><strong>Intere<p>"Moreover, it will never (and cannot ever) definitively determine the source of the contamination. Manure will always be a high-probability suspect, regardless of what conclusions are made."<p>
And organic farming will always be a high-value target for petrochemical-fueled agribiz front groups masquerading as "think tanks"<br>
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Alex Avery <br>
Alex Avery is the Director of Research and Education at the Center for Global Food Issues at the Hudson Institute. <p>
Avery's father, Dennis Avery is the Center's Director. Much of Alex Avery's time has been spent defending his father's claims, particularly those affecting organic food. Alex Avery is said to be writing a book on 'organic food myths'. <p>
He is a co-author of, 'Organic Industry Groups Spread Fear for Profit' a report launched on September 21 2000. His co-authors included Graydon Forrer, Monsanto's former head of executive communications, although the report did not disclose that Forrer was a former Monsanto employee. The report was launched via NoMoreScares.com - a website which has now been withdrawn but which had as its contact the former Monsanto lobbyist and self-styled 'Junkman', Steven Milloy. The report is still availble via Milloy's current site: StopLabelingLies.com which claims to be dedicated to exposing 'examples of false and misleading food and other product labels and their associated &nbsp;marketing campaigns,' but whose real mission appears to be attacking organic foods on behalf of the biotech industry. <p>
Amongst many other anti-organic pieces, Avery is the author of 'The Organic Food Industry: Smearing The Competition' - a paper published (13 March 2000) on Monsanto's Biotechnology Knowledge Center website, 'The Deadly Chemicals in Organic Food' (New York Post, June 2, 2001), and 'Organic farming caused dust bowl' (The Spokesman-Review.com, August 18, 2002). &nbsp;<p>
A keen supporter of CS Prakash's AgBioView e-mail list, Alex Avery proposed to 'Fellow Agbioviewers' the issuing of a Joint Statement to counter another joint statement criticising the dubious character of the attacks on Quist and Chapela, authors of the Mexcian maize paper published in Nature. Avery claimed the original statement was 'being whored around by the anti-biotech activists'. <p>
Avery dismissed Quist and Chapela's peer-reviewed study as 'junkscience' and argued that the attacks on the researchers were not unethical mudslinging, but 'exactly the type of rigorous debate over the truth that is the hallmark of the scientific process and discourse'. A joint statement duly followed and proved influential in the campaign to force Nature to retract the paper. <p>
The attacks on Quist and Chapela were subsequently shown to have been initiated and fuelled by the biotech industry - in particular, by Monsanto, notably via its 'Andura Smetacek' e-mail front, and by its PR company, The Bivings Group, which operated the e-mail front 'Mary Murphy'. Avery followed 'Murphy' in making specific reference to Chapela's membership of the board of Pesticide Action Network North America and in claiming that this raised questions about Chapela's scientific work. <p>
The Hudson Institute for whom Avery works has received funding from biotech companies Aventis, Dow, Monsanto, Novartis and Zeneca. </p></p></p></p></p></p></p></br></p></a></br></br></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Intere<p>"Moreover, it will never (and cannot ever) definitively determine the source of the contamination. Manure will always be a high-probability suspect, regardless of what conclusions are made."<p>
And organic farming will always be a high-value target for petrochemical-fueled agribiz front groups masquerading as "think tanks"<br>
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Alex Avery <br>
Alex Avery is the Director of Research and Education at the Center for Global Food Issues at the Hudson Institute. <p>
Avery's father, Dennis Avery is the Center's Director. Much of Alex Avery's time has been spent defending his father's claims, particularly those affecting organic food. Alex Avery is said to be writing a book on 'organic food myths'. <p>
He is a co-author of, 'Organic Industry Groups Spread Fear for Profit' a report launched on September 21 2000. His co-authors included Graydon Forrer, Monsanto's former head of executive communications, although the report did not disclose that Forrer was a former Monsanto employee. The report was launched via NoMoreScares.com - a website which has now been withdrawn but which had as its contact the former Monsanto lobbyist and self-styled 'Junkman', Steven Milloy. The report is still availble via Milloy's current site: StopLabelingLies.com which claims to be dedicated to exposing 'examples of false and misleading food and other product labels and their associated &nbsp;marketing campaigns,' but whose real mission appears to be attacking organic foods on behalf of the biotech industry. <p>
Amongst many other anti-organic pieces, Avery is the author of 'The Organic Food Industry: Smearing The Competition' - a paper published (13 March 2000) on Monsanto's Biotechnology Knowledge Center website, 'The Deadly Chemicals in Organic Food' (New York Post, June 2, 2001), and 'Organic farming caused dust bowl' (The Spokesman-Review.com, August 18, 2002). &nbsp;<p>
A keen supporter of CS Prakash's AgBioView e-mail list, Alex Avery proposed to 'Fellow Agbioviewers' the issuing of a Joint Statement to counter another joint statement criticising the dubious character of the attacks on Quist and Chapela, authors of the Mexcian maize paper published in Nature. Avery claimed the original statement was 'being whored around by the anti-biotech activists'. <p>
Avery dismissed Quist and Chapela's peer-reviewed study as 'junkscience' and argued that the attacks on the researchers were not unethical mudslinging, but 'exactly the type of rigorous debate over the truth that is the hallmark of the scientific process and discourse'. A joint statement duly followed and proved influential in the campaign to force Nature to retract the paper. <p>
The attacks on Quist and Chapela were subsequently shown to have been initiated and fuelled by the biotech industry - in particular, by Monsanto, notably via its 'Andura Smetacek' e-mail front, and by its PR company, The Bivings Group, which operated the e-mail front 'Mary Murphy'. Avery followed 'Murphy' in making specific reference to Chapela's membership of the board of Pesticide Action Network North America and in claiming that this raised questions about Chapela's scientific work. <p>
The Hudson Institute for whom Avery works has received funding from biotech companies Aventis, Dow, Monsanto, Novartis and Zeneca. </p></p></p></p></p></p></p></br></p></a></br></br></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by Biodiversivist</title>
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				<p><strong>Just a note<p>Young children who are particularly vulnerable are not being infected because they don't like spinach. This could be seen as support for the hypothesis that kids are genetically wired to be leary of greens until they get old enough to know what is safe to eat.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Help acquire and protect ecological hotspots, give to a conservation organization: <a href="http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Just a note<p>Young children who are particularly vulnerable are not being infected because they don't like spinach. This could be seen as support for the hypothesis that kids are genetically wired to be leary of greens until they get old enough to know what is safe to eat.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Help acquire and protect ecological hotspots, give to a conservation organization: <a href="http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by aavery</title>
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				<p><strong>Thanks JMG<p>JMG, thanks for kind posting of a few of my accomplishments -- though it's somewhat dated.<p>
Oh, and if you have knowledge of vast "petrochemical donations" to Hudson, I'd like to know what happened to them. I make less than the average teacher in my rural county.<p>
My new book, The Truth About Organic Foods, will be out in early October. $18.95 via Amazon.com<br>
All author-share proceeds from the sales of the book go directly to Hudson. (I won't make a nickel off my own book!) The book is thoroughly documented and sourced. You can't run from the truth!<p>
Cheers,<br>
Alex Avery<br>
<a href="http://www.hudson.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.hudson.org<br>
<a href="http://www.cgfi.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.cgfi.org<br>
<a href="http://www.milkismilk.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.milkismilk.com

<p>Alex</p></a></br></a></br></a></br></br></p></br></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Thanks JMG<p>JMG, thanks for kind posting of a few of my accomplishments -- though it's somewhat dated.<p>
Oh, and if you have knowledge of vast "petrochemical donations" to Hudson, I'd like to know what happened to them. I make less than the average teacher in my rural county.<p>
My new book, The Truth About Organic Foods, will be out in early October. $18.95 via Amazon.com<br>
All author-share proceeds from the sales of the book go directly to Hudson. (I won't make a nickel off my own book!) The book is thoroughly documented and sourced. You can't run from the truth!<p>
Cheers,<br>
Alex Avery<br>
<a href="http://www.hudson.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.hudson.org<br>
<a href="http://www.cgfi.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.cgfi.org<br>
<a href="http://www.milkismilk.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.milkismilk.com

<p>Alex</p></a></br></a></br></a></br></br></p></br></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by Tom Philpott</title>
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				<p><strong>Alex, call Michael Fumento's agent<p>Hey, Alex, shame about that salary. You might want to go down the hall and scratch Michael Fumento's eyes out. Here's what BusinessWeek <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/jan2006/nf20060113_2851_db035.htm" rel="nofollow">has to say to say about your colleague, who seems to be doing a bit better than the average teacher in your rural county:<p>
Scripps Howard News Service announced Jan. 13 that it's severing its business relationship with columnist Michael Fumento, who's also a senior fellow at the conservative Hudson Institute. The move comes after inquiries from BusinessWeek Online about payments Fumento received from agribusiness giant Monsanto (MON ) -- a frequent subject of praise in Fumento's opinion columns and a book.<p>
In a statement released on Jan. 13, Scripps Howard News Service Editor and General Manager Peter Copeland said Fumento "did not tell SHNS editors, and therefore we did not tell our readers, that in 1999 Hudson recieved a $60,000 grant from Monsanto." Copeland added: "Our policy is that he should have disclosed that information. We apologize to our readers." In the Jan. 5 column, Fumento wrote that St. Louis-based Monsanto has about 30 products in the pipeline that will aid farmers, "but also help us all by keeping prices down and allowing more crops to be grown on less land." <p>
He listed some of the products Monsanto has on tap: drought-resistant corn, crops that could reduce the need for environment-damaging fertilizers, and soybeans that might reduce heart disease. <p>
In his career at Hudson, Fumento has carved out a specialty debunking critics of the agribusiness and biotechnology industries. In 1999, he says, <b>he solicited $60,000 from Monsanto to write a book on the business. The book, entitled BioEvolution was published in 2003. A spokesman for Monsanto confirmed the payments to the Hudson Institute.</b></p></p></p></p></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Alex, call Michael Fumento's agent<p>Hey, Alex, shame about that salary. You might want to go down the hall and scratch Michael Fumento's eyes out. Here's what BusinessWeek <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/jan2006/nf20060113_2851_db035.htm" rel="nofollow">has to say to say about your colleague, who seems to be doing a bit better than the average teacher in your rural county:<p>
Scripps Howard News Service announced Jan. 13 that it's severing its business relationship with columnist Michael Fumento, who's also a senior fellow at the conservative Hudson Institute. The move comes after inquiries from BusinessWeek Online about payments Fumento received from agribusiness giant Monsanto (MON ) -- a frequent subject of praise in Fumento's opinion columns and a book.<p>
In a statement released on Jan. 13, Scripps Howard News Service Editor and General Manager Peter Copeland said Fumento "did not tell SHNS editors, and therefore we did not tell our readers, that in 1999 Hudson recieved a $60,000 grant from Monsanto." Copeland added: "Our policy is that he should have disclosed that information. We apologize to our readers." In the Jan. 5 column, Fumento wrote that St. Louis-based Monsanto has about 30 products in the pipeline that will aid farmers, "but also help us all by keeping prices down and allowing more crops to be grown on less land." <p>
He listed some of the products Monsanto has on tap: drought-resistant corn, crops that could reduce the need for environment-damaging fertilizers, and soybeans that might reduce heart disease. <p>
In his career at Hudson, Fumento has carved out a specialty debunking critics of the agribusiness and biotechnology industries. In 1999, he says, <b>he solicited $60,000 from Monsanto to write a book on the business. The book, entitled BioEvolution was published in 2003. A spokesman for Monsanto confirmed the payments to the Hudson Institute.</b></p></p></p></p></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by dhwert</title>
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				<p><strong>which spinach is implicated?</strong></p><p>"This investigation is far from over. Moreover, it will never (and cannot ever) definitively determine the source of the contamination. Manure will always be a high-probability suspect, regardless of what conclusions are made."</p><p>
Really? &nbsp;The FDA has DNA fingerprinting for E. coli that can trace back to the source, so I'm guessing they can track it down reasonably well. &nbsp;Even if they can't find the contamination source, we can know which <strong>products</strong> were contaminated, and whether they were organic or conventional spinach, or both. &nbsp;That won't be hard to do. &nbsp;And even if manure is involved, that in itself doesn't prove whether it's organic or conventional. &nbsp;As you well know, many conventional farmers use manure as a fertilizer.</p><p>
I do have to give you credit for not using this occasion to falsely accuse organics of being the source of this, since we don't know yet. &nbsp;Especially since Jay Lehr, longtime conventional ag cheerleader, has gone on record falsely claiming that this proves organic ag is unsafe (even though the FDA has not identified the source yet).</p><p>
Yet the FDA is engaged in total overkill. &nbsp;Since they have pinpointed the problem to bagged fresh spinach in California, why are they recommending that consumers eat no fresh spinach whatsoever? &nbsp;</p><p>
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				<p><strong>which spinach is implicated?</strong></p><p>"This investigation is far from over. Moreover, it will never (and cannot ever) definitively determine the source of the contamination. Manure will always be a high-probability suspect, regardless of what conclusions are made."</p><p>
Really? &nbsp;The FDA has DNA fingerprinting for E. coli that can trace back to the source, so I'm guessing they can track it down reasonably well. &nbsp;Even if they can't find the contamination source, we can know which <strong>products</strong> were contaminated, and whether they were organic or conventional spinach, or both. &nbsp;That won't be hard to do. &nbsp;And even if manure is involved, that in itself doesn't prove whether it's organic or conventional. &nbsp;As you well know, many conventional farmers use manure as a fertilizer.</p><p>
I do have to give you credit for not using this occasion to falsely accuse organics of being the source of this, since we don't know yet. &nbsp;Especially since Jay Lehr, longtime conventional ag cheerleader, has gone on record falsely claiming that this proves organic ag is unsafe (even though the FDA has not identified the source yet).</p><p>
Yet the FDA is engaged in total overkill. &nbsp;Since they have pinpointed the problem to bagged fresh spinach in California, why are they recommending that consumers eat no fresh spinach whatsoever? &nbsp;</p><p>
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				<p><strong>Paper today says the spinach was NOT organic</strong></p><p>I'm sure Mr. Avery will post here soon to acknowledge that the tainted spinach has been traced to a conventional (NOT organic) operation.</p>
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            <title>Comment #12 by kmp</title>
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				<p><strong>E. coli O157:H7<p>Interesting editorial in the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/21/opinion/21planck.html?ex=1158984000&amp;en=4243879375d8130f&amp;ei=5087%0A" rel="nofollow">NY Times today claiming that the virulent strain of E. coli implicated in recent spinach-related illness is essentially bred in grain-fed cattle.<p>
Where does this particularly virulent strain come from? It's not found in the intestinal tracts of cattle raised on their natural diet of grass, hay and other fibrous forage. No, O157 thrives in a new -- that is, recent in the history of animal diets -- biological niche: the unnaturally acidic stomachs of beef and dairy cattle fed on grain, the typical ration on most industrial farms. It's the infected manure from these grain-fed cattle that contaminates the groundwater and spreads the bacteria to produce, like spinach, growing on neighboring farms.<p>
So, it would seem that pasture-fed beef cattle would not produce sufficient amounts of this strain to present a health problem, and thereby would eliminate the risk of contaminating groundwater or manure used for irrigation and fertilization of crops (organic or otherwise). &nbsp;Hmmm... seems to me that much (though not all) organic beef is also grass-fed beef, no?</p></p></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>E. coli O157:H7<p>Interesting editorial in the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/21/opinion/21planck.html?ex=1158984000&amp;en=4243879375d8130f&amp;ei=5087%0A" rel="nofollow">NY Times today claiming that the virulent strain of E. coli implicated in recent spinach-related illness is essentially bred in grain-fed cattle.<p>
Where does this particularly virulent strain come from? It's not found in the intestinal tracts of cattle raised on their natural diet of grass, hay and other fibrous forage. No, O157 thrives in a new -- that is, recent in the history of animal diets -- biological niche: the unnaturally acidic stomachs of beef and dairy cattle fed on grain, the typical ration on most industrial farms. It's the infected manure from these grain-fed cattle that contaminates the groundwater and spreads the bacteria to produce, like spinach, growing on neighboring farms.<p>
So, it would seem that pasture-fed beef cattle would not produce sufficient amounts of this strain to present a health problem, and thereby would eliminate the risk of contaminating groundwater or manure used for irrigation and fertilization of crops (organic or otherwise). &nbsp;Hmmm... seems to me that much (though not all) organic beef is also grass-fed beef, no?</p></p></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>More in the news<p>The editorial cited by kmp is an Op-Ed piece by food writer Nina Planck. It's also available on her website: <a href="http://www.ninaplanck.com/index.php?article=e_coli" rel="nofollow">Factory Farms &amp; E. coli<p>
Two other interesting articles:<br>
<a href="http://www.ladybugletter.com/articles/spinach.html" rel="nofollow">Farmer Andy Griffin writes why he is ordering spinach seeds <br>
<a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-water21sep21,0,2311007.story?coll=la-home-headlines" rel="nofollow">E. Coli Pervades Harvest Area (LA Times)</a></br></a></br></p></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>More in the news<p>The editorial cited by kmp is an Op-Ed piece by food writer Nina Planck. It's also available on her website: <a href="http://www.ninaplanck.com/index.php?article=e_coli" rel="nofollow">Factory Farms &amp; E. coli<p>
Two other interesting articles:<br>
<a href="http://www.ladybugletter.com/articles/spinach.html" rel="nofollow">Farmer Andy Griffin writes why he is ordering spinach seeds <br>
<a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-water21sep21,0,2311007.story?coll=la-home-headlines" rel="nofollow">E. Coli Pervades Harvest Area (LA Times)</a></br></a></br></p></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #14 by dhwert</title>
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				<p><strong>the irony of Mr. Avery</strong></p><p>One great irony about Mr. Avery is that he makes comments on this blog (which he is of course quite welcome to do), yet his own blog allows for no such comments. &nbsp;Guess he doesn't really want to hear what people think about his opinions...</p><p>
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				<p><strong>the irony of Mr. Avery</strong></p><p>One great irony about Mr. Avery is that he makes comments on this blog (which he is of course quite welcome to do), yet his own blog allows for no such comments. &nbsp;Guess he doesn't really want to hear what people think about his opinions...</p><p>
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				<p><strong>It could be manure?</strong></p><p>Perhaps it is the manure of bad ideas that caused this problem, Alex? &nbsp;If we would have nuked this spinach with one of Monsanto's products we could get cancer instead of bacterial infections?</p><p>
Good idea, cheers,</p><p>
Ron Castle

<p>Cheers.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>It could be manure?</strong></p><p>Perhaps it is the manure of bad ideas that caused this problem, Alex? &nbsp;If we would have nuked this spinach with one of Monsanto's products we could get cancer instead of bacterial infections?</p><p>
Good idea, cheers,</p><p>
Ron Castle

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            <title>Comment #16 by rara avis</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 08:34:50 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>More info on Hudson Institute &amp; Avery<p>The Center for Media and Democracy has a wealth of interesting information on A. Avery, D. Avery and the Hudson Institute in general that I would encourage people to look at.<p>
This isn't the first time that A. Avery has misrepresented the facts in ongoing debates about manure use and food safety. <p>
<a href="http://www.prwatch.org/node/2715" rel="nofollow">CMD posting_1<p>
Info on D. avery misquoting CDC Dr. Tauxe as saying "Organic food means a food was grown in animal manure." Dr. Tauxe actually put out a press release to correct the situation, but this 'mis'quote has ended up in literally hundreds of newspaper articles.<p>
<a href="http://www.prwatch.org/prwissues/1999Q4/avery.html" rel="nofollow">CMD posting_2<p>
<a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Trashing_organic_foods" rel="nofollow">CMD posting_3<p>
The Center for Media and Democracy also has a great profile of the Hudson Institute including information on the history, current fellows and industry funding<p>
<a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Hudson_Institute" rel="nofollow">CMD posting_4</a></p></p></a></p></a></p></p></a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>More info on Hudson Institute &amp; Avery<p>The Center for Media and Democracy has a wealth of interesting information on A. Avery, D. Avery and the Hudson Institute in general that I would encourage people to look at.<p>
This isn't the first time that A. Avery has misrepresented the facts in ongoing debates about manure use and food safety. <p>
<a href="http://www.prwatch.org/node/2715" rel="nofollow">CMD posting_1<p>
Info on D. avery misquoting CDC Dr. Tauxe as saying "Organic food means a food was grown in animal manure." Dr. Tauxe actually put out a press release to correct the situation, but this 'mis'quote has ended up in literally hundreds of newspaper articles.<p>
<a href="http://www.prwatch.org/prwissues/1999Q4/avery.html" rel="nofollow">CMD posting_2<p>
<a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Trashing_organic_foods" rel="nofollow">CMD posting_3<p>
The Center for Media and Democracy also has a great profile of the Hudson Institute including information on the history, current fellows and industry funding<p>
<a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Hudson_Institute" rel="nofollow">CMD posting_4</a></p></p></a></p></a></p></p></a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Organic spinach implicated (and other corrections)</strong></p><p>I'm saddened to report that on Tuesday, a lawsuit was filed in federal court in Ohio directly (and credibly)implicating "Earthbound Farms brand Organic Baby Spinach Salad" as the source of E. coli O157:H7 that sickened three members of a family in Bowling Green, Ohio. The youngest family member has suffered permanent kidney damage and will require lifelong care.</p><p>
The family's lawyer, who I spoke with, is adamant that the family exclusively ate Earthbound organic salad products and there is NO question that the source was the Earthbound Farms Organic Baby Spinach. The O157:H7 has been positively matched to the overall outbreak strain -- the standard used by the FDA.</p><p>
So the question now is: how did TWO processing lines at Natural Selections Foods LLC get contaminated? Could it be from poor manure management or organic farming practices? Naw, that just anti-organic spin, right?</p><p>
Then how do you explain the recent findings of the group at the U of Minnesota that certified organic products were more than 3 times more likely to be contaminated with E. coli than conventional? (They found E. coli in 7% of certified organic produce vs. 2% of conventional, J of Food Protection 69(8):1928-1936, 2006) Hmmmm. Actual science showing greater E. coli risk from organic farming? Naw, must be anti-organic spin, right?</p><p>
Finally, the claim by Ron Castle above that we fabricated the quote published in 1997 in the Journal of the American Medical Association by the head of the CDC's Foodborne Diseases branch is as absurd and completely false now as it was when the accusation was first made. Dr. Robert V. Tauxe stated"'Organic' means a food is grown in animal manure," and suggested more oversight/regulation of manure use in light of the increase in outbreaks linked to produce (JAMA 277:97-98).</p><p>
Even Karen Charmen at PR Watch who made that accusation retracted the claim after we pointed out that Dr. Tauxe was quoted a full year prior to us EVER writing about the issue. And doesn't his comment seem awfully prescient at the moment?</p><p>
I'm sorry for the family in Ohio and all the other families that have suffered in this outbreak.</p><p>
Alex Avery<br>
Hudson Institute, Center for Global Food Issues<br>
Author of: The Truth About Organic Foods<br>
to be released in late October 2006<br>


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				<p><strong>Organic spinach implicated (and other corrections)</strong></p><p>I'm saddened to report that on Tuesday, a lawsuit was filed in federal court in Ohio directly (and credibly)implicating "Earthbound Farms brand Organic Baby Spinach Salad" as the source of E. coli O157:H7 that sickened three members of a family in Bowling Green, Ohio. The youngest family member has suffered permanent kidney damage and will require lifelong care.</p><p>
The family's lawyer, who I spoke with, is adamant that the family exclusively ate Earthbound organic salad products and there is NO question that the source was the Earthbound Farms Organic Baby Spinach. The O157:H7 has been positively matched to the overall outbreak strain -- the standard used by the FDA.</p><p>
So the question now is: how did TWO processing lines at Natural Selections Foods LLC get contaminated? Could it be from poor manure management or organic farming practices? Naw, that just anti-organic spin, right?</p><p>
Then how do you explain the recent findings of the group at the U of Minnesota that certified organic products were more than 3 times more likely to be contaminated with E. coli than conventional? (They found E. coli in 7% of certified organic produce vs. 2% of conventional, J of Food Protection 69(8):1928-1936, 2006) Hmmmm. Actual science showing greater E. coli risk from organic farming? Naw, must be anti-organic spin, right?</p><p>
Finally, the claim by Ron Castle above that we fabricated the quote published in 1997 in the Journal of the American Medical Association by the head of the CDC's Foodborne Diseases branch is as absurd and completely false now as it was when the accusation was first made. Dr. Robert V. Tauxe stated"'Organic' means a food is grown in animal manure," and suggested more oversight/regulation of manure use in light of the increase in outbreaks linked to produce (JAMA 277:97-98).</p><p>
Even Karen Charmen at PR Watch who made that accusation retracted the claim after we pointed out that Dr. Tauxe was quoted a full year prior to us EVER writing about the issue. And doesn't his comment seem awfully prescient at the moment?</p><p>
I'm sorry for the family in Ohio and all the other families that have suffered in this outbreak.</p><p>
Alex Avery<br>
Hudson Institute, Center for Global Food Issues<br>
Author of: The Truth About Organic Foods<br>
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            <title>Comment #18 by aavery</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 05:23:33 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>My blog (which you CAN respond to!)<p><a href="http://www.cgfi.org/wordpress/2006/09/28/bad-organic-day-gets-worse-organic-brand-directly-implicated-in-e-coli-outbreak/#respond" rel="nofollow">http://www.cgfi.org/wordpress/2006/09/28/bad-organic-day-gets-worse-organic-brand-directly-implicate
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If you want to respond to this blog, got the link and post away! Cheers, Alex<p>
Sept 28, 2006<br>
Bad Organic Day Gets Worse: Organic brand directly implicated in E. coli outbreak<p>
We've all been waiting for more information regarding the outbreak of E. coli O157:H7 caused by contaminated spinach grown and/or processed by Natural Selections Foods LLC of San Juan Bautista California. The information trickle out of the FDA and California authorities has provided precious little on which to make any sound conclusions. <p>
Chief among the questions was whether the contamination was only among Natural Selection's non-organic brands - as the company claimed early on - or included organic brands too. The FDA said the issue was still open and that they had not cleared any of Natural Selections' brands, organic or conventional. Up until Tuesday, the only concrete information we had was that two bags of "Dole Baby Spinach" had tested positive for the presence of O157:H7 that matched the strain from the victims. One was found in New Mexico, one in Utah. <p>
Now comes a lawsuit filed in federal court in Ohio directly implicating one of Natural Selections' organic brands. The lawsuit, filed by Roger Drummond and Laura Snider, says three family members became seriously ill after eating "Earthbound Farms Organic Baby Spinach Salad." The youngest child has permanent kidney damage and will require lifelong care. Importantly, the strain of E. coli has been positively matched to the strain found in other victims, according to the family's lawyer. <p>
This development raises a number of important questions. <p>
First, because Natural Selections Foods runs two separate processing lines - one for its conventional products and one for organic - the fact that products from both processing lines have been implicated may indicate that the problem is primarily at the field or farm level. <p>
Second, if the problem is improper manure fertilizer management or other failure to follow Good Agricultural Practices, was it in just one field, or several? <p>
Third, was the non-organic "Dole baby spinach" that was found to be contaminated growing using organic practices or conventional? The answer isn't immediately apparent. Fields must be managed organically for three full years before the products from the field can be marketed as organic. During that "transition period", the products must be sold as non-organic. Were the bags of contaminated "Dole baby spinach" transitional "organic" spinach? <p>
We await answers and clarification as the investigation continues, but we urge the regulators to release as much information as soon as possible so that consumers can be assured that all key aspects of farming practices are been examined and explored. <br>


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				<p><strong>My blog (which you CAN respond to!)<p><a href="http://www.cgfi.org/wordpress/2006/09/28/bad-organic-day-gets-worse-organic-brand-directly-implicated-in-e-coli-outbreak/#respond" rel="nofollow">http://www.cgfi.org/wordpress/2006/09/28/bad-organic-day-gets-worse-organic-brand-directly-implicate
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If you want to respond to this blog, got the link and post away! Cheers, Alex<p>
Sept 28, 2006<br>
Bad Organic Day Gets Worse: Organic brand directly implicated in E. coli outbreak<p>
We've all been waiting for more information regarding the outbreak of E. coli O157:H7 caused by contaminated spinach grown and/or processed by Natural Selections Foods LLC of San Juan Bautista California. The information trickle out of the FDA and California authorities has provided precious little on which to make any sound conclusions. <p>
Chief among the questions was whether the contamination was only among Natural Selection's non-organic brands - as the company claimed early on - or included organic brands too. The FDA said the issue was still open and that they had not cleared any of Natural Selections' brands, organic or conventional. Up until Tuesday, the only concrete information we had was that two bags of "Dole Baby Spinach" had tested positive for the presence of O157:H7 that matched the strain from the victims. One was found in New Mexico, one in Utah. <p>
Now comes a lawsuit filed in federal court in Ohio directly implicating one of Natural Selections' organic brands. The lawsuit, filed by Roger Drummond and Laura Snider, says three family members became seriously ill after eating "Earthbound Farms Organic Baby Spinach Salad." The youngest child has permanent kidney damage and will require lifelong care. Importantly, the strain of E. coli has been positively matched to the strain found in other victims, according to the family's lawyer. <p>
This development raises a number of important questions. <p>
First, because Natural Selections Foods runs two separate processing lines - one for its conventional products and one for organic - the fact that products from both processing lines have been implicated may indicate that the problem is primarily at the field or farm level. <p>
Second, if the problem is improper manure fertilizer management or other failure to follow Good Agricultural Practices, was it in just one field, or several? <p>
Third, was the non-organic "Dole baby spinach" that was found to be contaminated growing using organic practices or conventional? The answer isn't immediately apparent. Fields must be managed organically for three full years before the products from the field can be marketed as organic. During that "transition period", the products must be sold as non-organic. Were the bags of contaminated "Dole baby spinach" transitional "organic" spinach? <p>
We await answers and clarification as the investigation continues, but we urge the regulators to release as much information as soon as possible so that consumers can be assured that all key aspects of farming practices are been examined and explored. <br>


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				<p><strong>It's lying time again...<p>Oh Alex, do you think people won't examine what you say? &nbsp;Please. &nbsp;You totally misrepresent the U of Minnesota study that you cite. &nbsp;I'm starting to think you're unable to comprehend real science. &nbsp;The abstract clearly states "None of the produce samples collected during the 2 years of this study were contaminated with Salmonella or E. coli O157:H7." &nbsp;None of the virulent E. coli. &nbsp;None. &nbsp;(Although you did a fine job of giving a misleading impression that your "data" referred to that kind of E. coli.)<p>
It also says, "The prevalence of E. coli contamination by produce type was not significantly different between the three farm types during these 2 years.... These results indicate that the preharvest microbiological quality of produce from the three types of farms was very similar during these two seasons and that produce type appears to be more likely than farm type to influence E. coli contamination."<p>
Not significantly different. &nbsp;That's the science, Alex, not some cherry-picked numbers that misrepresent the scientists' efforts. &nbsp;You don't get to grab a few mean values out of a paper and make some bogus "3 times more likely" claim. &nbsp;That's not the way the process works. &nbsp;(Well, I guess it runs in the family. That's exactly what your father did to arrive at his bogus "8 times more likely" claim.)<p>
Here's the link to the abstract, for those who want to see the whole thing:<br>
<a href="http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/iafp/jfp/2006/00000069/00000008/art00022" rel="nofollow">http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/iafp/jfp/2006/00000...<br>
&nbsp;Longitudinal Microbiological Survey of Fresh Produce Grown by Farmers in the Upper Midwest<br>
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				<p><strong>It's lying time again...<p>Oh Alex, do you think people won't examine what you say? &nbsp;Please. &nbsp;You totally misrepresent the U of Minnesota study that you cite. &nbsp;I'm starting to think you're unable to comprehend real science. &nbsp;The abstract clearly states "None of the produce samples collected during the 2 years of this study were contaminated with Salmonella or E. coli O157:H7." &nbsp;None of the virulent E. coli. &nbsp;None. &nbsp;(Although you did a fine job of giving a misleading impression that your "data" referred to that kind of E. coli.)<p>
It also says, "The prevalence of E. coli contamination by produce type was not significantly different between the three farm types during these 2 years.... These results indicate that the preharvest microbiological quality of produce from the three types of farms was very similar during these two seasons and that produce type appears to be more likely than farm type to influence E. coli contamination."<p>
Not significantly different. &nbsp;That's the science, Alex, not some cherry-picked numbers that misrepresent the scientists' efforts. &nbsp;You don't get to grab a few mean values out of a paper and make some bogus "3 times more likely" claim. &nbsp;That's not the way the process works. &nbsp;(Well, I guess it runs in the family. That's exactly what your father did to arrive at his bogus "8 times more likely" claim.)<p>
Here's the link to the abstract, for those who want to see the whole thing:<br>
<a href="http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/iafp/jfp/2006/00000069/00000008/art00022" rel="nofollow">http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/iafp/jfp/2006/00000...<br>
&nbsp;Longitudinal Microbiological Survey of Fresh Produce Grown by Farmers in the Upper Midwest<br>
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				<p><strong>Some questions for Alex</strong></p><p>Alex, I've been dairy farmer of 30 years. The picture you are trying to paint, at least what it seems to me, and that is only organic uses cow manure for fertilizer which is not true. But the part that is most deceptive, is your insinuation that conventional farmers do not use cow manure. What do you think conventional farmers do with all that cow manure they produce, dump it in the river? No, they use it to fertilize fields.</p>
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				<p><strong>Some questions for Alex</strong></p><p>Alex, I've been dairy farmer of 30 years. The picture you are trying to paint, at least what it seems to me, and that is only organic uses cow manure for fertilizer which is not true. But the part that is most deceptive, is your insinuation that conventional farmers do not use cow manure. What do you think conventional farmers do with all that cow manure they produce, dump it in the river? No, they use it to fertilize fields.</p>
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				<p><strong>To be fair to Alex,</strong></p><p>he's under the pay of the petrochemical industry. He would prefer that the feedlot operators did dump all of that manure into rivers. That would give the petrochemical industry the opportunity to devise a solution to the resulting degradation of the water, and give the industry more acreage on which farmers would have to spread artificial fertilizers. </p><p>
It's all very simple, Farmer; it is people like you and I who are mucking everything up. </p>
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				<p><strong>To be fair to Alex,</strong></p><p>he's under the pay of the petrochemical industry. He would prefer that the feedlot operators did dump all of that manure into rivers. That would give the petrochemical industry the opportunity to devise a solution to the resulting degradation of the water, and give the industry more acreage on which farmers would have to spread artificial fertilizers. </p><p>
It's all very simple, Farmer; it is people like you and I who are mucking everything up. </p>
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			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/bad-day-for-organics/</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 05:30:08 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Spinach outbreak WAS ORGANIC!!<p>Yo, just a little crowing over my vindication in this matter. It was revealed on Tuesday in a California Senate hearing that the spinach came from an organic farm.<p>
Check out webcast here: <a href="http://www.calchannel.com/archive.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.calchannel.com/archive.php<p>
Go to Tuesday, Feb 27 5th from the bottom.<p>
How Now Brown Organic Cows?????<p>
But I'm sure you all can figure out some way to weasle out of this with the usual "it was somebody elses fault" BS.<p>
Cheers,<br>
Alex

<p>Alex</p></br></p></p></p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Spinach outbreak WAS ORGANIC!!<p>Yo, just a little crowing over my vindication in this matter. It was revealed on Tuesday in a California Senate hearing that the spinach came from an organic farm.<p>
Check out webcast here: <a href="http://www.calchannel.com/archive.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.calchannel.com/archive.php<p>
Go to Tuesday, Feb 27 5th from the bottom.<p>
How Now Brown Organic Cows?????<p>
But I'm sure you all can figure out some way to weasle out of this with the usual "it was somebody elses fault" BS.<p>
Cheers,<br>
Alex

<p>Alex</p></br></p></p></p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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