<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for McCain claims ‘the truly clean technologies don’t work’]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by stopgreenpath http://www.grist.org/article/back-to-whale-oil/ Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:00:35 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/back-to-whale-oil/1 point of use could handle all of Ca's growth

right now.  2 GW are all that's needed for the next 15 years, according to RETI, and that's how much Spain installs in rooftop solar EVERY YEAR, and Germany installs nearly that much.

i am so sick of people acting like we have to do so many drastic things like dynamite all our deserts into oblivion, and drill till we drop, and cover every surface with windmills, and the worst of all - build out some massive new transmission infrastructure.  these are ONLY beneficial to monopolists.  they really, really hurt ratepayers, taxpayers and the environment, so why on earth are people promoting them?

between a serious point of use program, and brownfield/superfund sites near existing transmission, CA could easily cover ALL it's power needs (including growth) from 11-6 daily. storage, smart grids, conservation and other solutions can cover the rest.  let's just do it instead of yammering on and on!

the greenest energy is that which you needn't ever produce.

]]> point of use could handle all of Ca's growth

right now.  2 GW are all that's needed for the next 15 years, according to RETI, and that's how much Spain installs in rooftop solar EVERY YEAR, and Germany installs nearly that much.

i am so sick of people acting like we have to do so many drastic things like dynamite all our deserts into oblivion, and drill till we drop, and cover every surface with windmills, and the worst of all - build out some massive new transmission infrastructure.  these are ONLY beneficial to monopolists.  they really, really hurt ratepayers, taxpayers and the environment, so why on earth are people promoting them?

between a serious point of use program, and brownfield/superfund sites near existing transmission, CA could easily cover ALL it's power needs (including growth) from 11-6 daily. storage, smart grids, conservation and other solutions can cover the rest.  let's just do it instead of yammering on and on!

the greenest energy is that which you needn't ever produce.

]]> Comment #2 by SantaFe http://www.grist.org/article/back-to-whale-oil/ Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:46:14 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/back-to-whale-oil/2 What it would take................

Here in New Mexico, our Gov is breaking our bank with a commuter train.  Initially planned at $50mm, now $500mm.  Fooled us once.  

If only they would see the value in helping consumers put solar panels on their roofs by some partial subsidies and making the utility kickback the excess to the person that put the panels up, this could really benefit New Mexico.

We have the sun, we just need politicians not hell-bent on their own glorification like Richardson and the other Democrats here.

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Here in New Mexico, our Gov is breaking our bank with a commuter train.  Initially planned at $50mm, now $500mm.  Fooled us once.  

If only they would see the value in helping consumers put solar panels on their roofs by some partial subsidies and making the utility kickback the excess to the person that put the panels up, this could really benefit New Mexico.

We have the sun, we just need politicians not hell-bent on their own glorification like Richardson and the other Democrats here.

]]> Comment #3 by MClemens http://www.grist.org/article/back-to-whale-oil/ Thu, 21 Aug 2008 05:10:25 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/back-to-whale-oil/3 A Perfect example...

...of what can be done by using on-site renewable energy is the Leopold Legacy Center in Baraboo, WI. Until recently, it was the greenest building on earth, but is still the greenest building in America. It is completely sustainable and is projected to produce 110% of its energy demands on site. It's a new building so they're still compiling the actual data on energy production/usage but after talking to one of the employees at the Leopold Foundation, whose offices are housed at the Legacy Center, it sounds like they're going to show some awesome numbers.

This place is in Baraboo, Wisconsin. It snows all the time and is cold for half the year there. Yet here's a place that's 100% carbon-neutral and produces all the energy it needs on site. Don't tell me this can't be done practically everywhere. This place isn't in Germany, or Spain, or somewhere none of us have ever been. It's right here in America where we can all see it. It is a perfect example of how we can "live on a piece of land without spoiling it" just as Leopold called for some seventy years ago. It's been done in Wisconsin, now let's do it elsewhere.

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...of what can be done by using on-site renewable energy is the Leopold Legacy Center in Baraboo, WI. Until recently, it was the greenest building on earth, but is still the greenest building in America. It is completely sustainable and is projected to produce 110% of its energy demands on site. It's a new building so they're still compiling the actual data on energy production/usage but after talking to one of the employees at the Leopold Foundation, whose offices are housed at the Legacy Center, it sounds like they're going to show some awesome numbers.

This place is in Baraboo, Wisconsin. It snows all the time and is cold for half the year there. Yet here's a place that's 100% carbon-neutral and produces all the energy it needs on site. Don't tell me this can't be done practically everywhere. This place isn't in Germany, or Spain, or somewhere none of us have ever been. It's right here in America where we can all see it. It is a perfect example of how we can "live on a piece of land without spoiling it" just as Leopold called for some seventy years ago. It's been done in Wisconsin, now let's do it elsewhere.

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