<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for Shellenberger and Nordhaus go after Obama by recycling GOP talking points]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by Jon Rynn http://www.grist.org/article/back-from-the-death/ Thu, 02 Oct 2008 03:07:47 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/back-from-the-death/1 Investment, regulation, carbon pricing

Maybe in that order.  And by investment, I mean actually building whatever transportation or energy infrastructure we need -- as in, governments at all levels just spend the money to put up wind turbines, solar panels, environmentally friendly CSP, mass transit, intercity rail, and electric cars.  At the very very least, governments could do all of that for their own transportation and energy needs.

S&N take a good progressive idea, investment, and scramble it all up.  That is, they correctly identify some of the weaknesses of carbon pricing, and then identify some of the strengths of investment.  Then they screw it all up by restricting the investment to research (and perhaps development, it's hard to get a straight answer, I've tried), and most important, they refuse to consider getting the money from the Pentagon, or other boondoggles (yes, the Pentagon is mostly although not entirely a boondoggle).

So I would say, it would be nice if somebody proposed a real investment/construction policy.

]]> Investment, regulation, carbon pricing

Maybe in that order.  And by investment, I mean actually building whatever transportation or energy infrastructure we need -- as in, governments at all levels just spend the money to put up wind turbines, solar panels, environmentally friendly CSP, mass transit, intercity rail, and electric cars.  At the very very least, governments could do all of that for their own transportation and energy needs.

S&N take a good progressive idea, investment, and scramble it all up.  That is, they correctly identify some of the weaknesses of carbon pricing, and then identify some of the strengths of investment.  Then they screw it all up by restricting the investment to research (and perhaps development, it's hard to get a straight answer, I've tried), and most important, they refuse to consider getting the money from the Pentagon, or other boondoggles (yes, the Pentagon is mostly although not entirely a boondoggle).

So I would say, it would be nice if somebody proposed a real investment/construction policy.

]]> Comment #2 by Kit Stolz http://www.grist.org/article/back-from-the-death/ Thu, 02 Oct 2008 03:25:14 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/back-from-the-death/2 blame the enviros

Maybe we should start putting together a list of opinion leaders who have made careers out of blaming environmentalists for the fact that the American people are not always easily swayed on this topic. (Easterbrook, anyone? Pilke, Jr.?)

We don't excoriate feminists for the fact that the US has mixed feelings about abortion and has made inconsistent progress towards a pro-choice position. Why do we excoriate environmentalists for the fact that the American public has mixed feelings about the planet and doesn't always treat it kindly?

These kind of pieces are popular with editors, it's true, but they're really a pale, academic imitation of the kind of vile slime emanating from Limbaugh types. I really think we as a nation have bigger fish to fry.

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Maybe we should start putting together a list of opinion leaders who have made careers out of blaming environmentalists for the fact that the American people are not always easily swayed on this topic. (Easterbrook, anyone? Pilke, Jr.?)

We don't excoriate feminists for the fact that the US has mixed feelings about abortion and has made inconsistent progress towards a pro-choice position. Why do we excoriate environmentalists for the fact that the American public has mixed feelings about the planet and doesn't always treat it kindly?

These kind of pieces are popular with editors, it's true, but they're really a pale, academic imitation of the kind of vile slime emanating from Limbaugh types. I really think we as a nation have bigger fish to fry.

]]> Comment #3 by fionnlaech http://www.grist.org/article/back-from-the-death/ Thu, 02 Oct 2008 05:28:28 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/back-from-the-death/3 S&N Not Rubbish

I've spoken with Ted Nordhaus and he, for one, doesn't fit the definition of "recyclers of rubbish". What I've heard from him makes me think he is passionately concerned about environmental issues but believes that some people in the environmental movement are leading us in the wrong direction. Feel free to respectfully disagree with his ideas all you want but I really think your vitriol is better spent elsewhere, like on the genuinely nasty political operatives you accuse S&N of being.

Fionnlaech
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]]> S&N Not Rubbish

I've spoken with Ted Nordhaus and he, for one, doesn't fit the definition of "recyclers of rubbish". What I've heard from him makes me think he is passionately concerned about environmental issues but believes that some people in the environmental movement are leading us in the wrong direction. Feel free to respectfully disagree with his ideas all you want but I really think your vitriol is better spent elsewhere, like on the genuinely nasty political operatives you accuse S&N of being.

Fionnlaech
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