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            <title>Comment #1 by jl greenie</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:57:31 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>no public transportation in McLean?</strong></p><p>I hate to break it to the writer, but as a suburb of Washington, DC, there is most definitely public transportation in McLean, VA. &nbsp;Maybe not on her block, but she's probably not that far from a bus or subway line. &nbsp;What she means is that it's not that <strong>convenient</strong> for her to wait for the bus or to bike to the subway.... in which case she should, in addition to getting rid of her third car, be lobbying her local reps for better public transportation and bike lanes. &nbsp;Or at the very least, drive to the Metro and take it from there. </p>
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				<p><strong>no public transportation in McLean?</strong></p><p>I hate to break it to the writer, but as a suburb of Washington, DC, there is most definitely public transportation in McLean, VA. &nbsp;Maybe not on her block, but she's probably not that far from a bus or subway line. &nbsp;What she means is that it's not that <strong>convenient</strong> for her to wait for the bus or to bike to the subway.... in which case she should, in addition to getting rid of her third car, be lobbying her local reps for better public transportation and bike lanes. &nbsp;Or at the very least, drive to the Metro and take it from there. </p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by ridethisbike</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:47:25 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Try A Partial Commute By Bike<p>If you can't imagine giving up a car, don't. Instead, cut down on the use of your autos with a more balanced multi modal approach to transportation. <p>
Earlier today, I commented in my <a href="http://world-class-bike-trails.blogspot.com/2006/09/for-partial-commutes-use-bike-that.html" rel="nofollow">blog about 10 tips published last weekend by the <a href="http://www.denverpost.com/lifestyles/ci_4387037" rel="nofollow">Denver Post to help commuters ease into bicycle commuting. One tip focused on partial commutes by bike which is a familiar topic to me.<p>
Currently, your personal transportation regimen relies heavily on motor vehicles because you feel there's no practical alternative. Not true. If you drove part of the distance and biked or took mass transit for the balance, you'd reduce your personal dependence on fossil fuels and cut the pollution caused by your auto usage. Over time, you could increase the miles you travel by bike, improving your health, saving more money and further reducing your pollution emissions.<p>
Using a folding bike, you could easily work bicycling into your current transportation scheme, keeping the bike in the trunk of your Prius until you are comfortable with riding. <p>
For more about the value of folding bikes, visit my <a href="http://ridethisbike.com" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">website.<p>
Larry<br>
<a href="http://ridethisbike.com" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">RideTHISbike.com</a></br></p></a></p></p></p></a></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Try A Partial Commute By Bike<p>If you can't imagine giving up a car, don't. Instead, cut down on the use of your autos with a more balanced multi modal approach to transportation. <p>
Earlier today, I commented in my <a href="http://world-class-bike-trails.blogspot.com/2006/09/for-partial-commutes-use-bike-that.html" rel="nofollow">blog about 10 tips published last weekend by the <a href="http://www.denverpost.com/lifestyles/ci_4387037" rel="nofollow">Denver Post to help commuters ease into bicycle commuting. One tip focused on partial commutes by bike which is a familiar topic to me.<p>
Currently, your personal transportation regimen relies heavily on motor vehicles because you feel there's no practical alternative. Not true. If you drove part of the distance and biked or took mass transit for the balance, you'd reduce your personal dependence on fossil fuels and cut the pollution caused by your auto usage. Over time, you could increase the miles you travel by bike, improving your health, saving more money and further reducing your pollution emissions.<p>
Using a folding bike, you could easily work bicycling into your current transportation scheme, keeping the bike in the trunk of your Prius until you are comfortable with riding. <p>
For more about the value of folding bikes, visit my <a href="http://ridethisbike.com" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">website.<p>
Larry<br>
<a href="http://ridethisbike.com" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">RideTHISbike.com</a></br></p></a></p></p></p></a></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by dbeerslayer</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:19:47 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>foldable bikes</strong></p><p>I am not sure of what perfect little world you have in Denver, biking and bussing are not that easy in most cities.<br>
If you have a family and both parents work <br>
you need three cars just to make sure you can get to work and still transport the kids. &nbsp;When one car needs work, &nbsp;you don't have time or money to get it fixed right away.</br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>foldable bikes</strong></p><p>I am not sure of what perfect little world you have in Denver, biking and bussing are not that easy in most cities.<br>
If you have a family and both parents work <br>
you need three cars just to make sure you can get to work and still transport the kids. &nbsp;When one car needs work, &nbsp;you don't have time or money to get it fixed right away.</br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by c2004</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 05:17:39 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Must love their jobs....</strong></p><p>I've read statistics that say that it costs $5000 a year to have a car (including depreciation). One of those folks is working full-time just to support those three cars! (Remember you pay for a car with after-tax dollars, so don't think in terms of gross income).</p><p>
My husband and I don't have <strong>any</strong> cars and I don't work (at a job)....but if some people want to be slaves to their vehicles, well that's their choice....</p>
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				<p><strong>Must love their jobs....</strong></p><p>I've read statistics that say that it costs $5000 a year to have a car (including depreciation). One of those folks is working full-time just to support those three cars! (Remember you pay for a car with after-tax dollars, so don't think in terms of gross income).</p><p>
My husband and I don't have <strong>any</strong> cars and I don't work (at a job)....but if some people want to be slaves to their vehicles, well that's their choice....</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by ridethisbike</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 07:53:30 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Imperfect World</strong></p><p>I live in the imperfect world of post Katrina New Orleans where public transportation in most areas of the metro is ineffecient and unreliable.</p><p>
What works for me is a partial commute by car. I ride to a "safe" location where I park, pull the bike from the trunk and ride. New Orleans is hot and humid most of the year so I don't bike far; however, bicycling just a mile lets me work some exercise into my schedule, saves me parking fees and the aggravation of dealing with the parking lot. It also puts me in a good frame of mind for work. </p>
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				<p><strong>Imperfect World</strong></p><p>I live in the imperfect world of post Katrina New Orleans where public transportation in most areas of the metro is ineffecient and unreliable.</p><p>
What works for me is a partial commute by car. I ride to a "safe" location where I park, pull the bike from the trunk and ride. New Orleans is hot and humid most of the year so I don't bike far; however, bicycling just a mile lets me work some exercise into my schedule, saves me parking fees and the aggravation of dealing with the parking lot. It also puts me in a good frame of mind for work. </p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 08:23:12 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Dude, Cover Your Ears</strong></p><p><br>
Whenever I read these high and might articles telling someone in a country-suburb to "ride the bus" or "get and electric bicycle", I have to laugh. &nbsp;</p><p>
What world are they living in?</p><p>
It makes perfect sense for some people to save energy by having multiple cars for multiple uses. &nbsp; If you are an average American, you simply can't take the bus to the supermarket and efficiently bring your groceries home. &nbsp; It would take 2 hours just to get a loaf of bread! &nbsp; And how is riding an empty bus at 8 pm at night, after waiting on a lonely stop that you had to walk 0.5 miles to get to , and having to carry 4 bags of groceries a reasonable transportation alternative?!</p><p>
The last thing that Libs want to admit is the freedom and mobility of the personal automobile is on of the best things for human indepedence in the history of our race. &nbsp;No, they want to pack us into overpriced "monorails" that 99% of the people will not live anywhere near...or use "electric bikes" -- on 45 miles per hour roads with no street lights and with no place to recharge or repair easily.</br></p>
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				<p><strong>Dude, Cover Your Ears</strong></p><p><br>
Whenever I read these high and might articles telling someone in a country-suburb to "ride the bus" or "get and electric bicycle", I have to laugh. &nbsp;</p><p>
What world are they living in?</p><p>
It makes perfect sense for some people to save energy by having multiple cars for multiple uses. &nbsp; If you are an average American, you simply can't take the bus to the supermarket and efficiently bring your groceries home. &nbsp; It would take 2 hours just to get a loaf of bread! &nbsp; And how is riding an empty bus at 8 pm at night, after waiting on a lonely stop that you had to walk 0.5 miles to get to , and having to carry 4 bags of groceries a reasonable transportation alternative?!</p><p>
The last thing that Libs want to admit is the freedom and mobility of the personal automobile is on of the best things for human indepedence in the history of our race. &nbsp;No, they want to pack us into overpriced "monorails" that 99% of the people will not live anywhere near...or use "electric bikes" -- on 45 miles per hour roads with no street lights and with no place to recharge or repair easily.</br></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by Wren</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:09:12 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Wow, the excuse factor</strong></p><p>It always amazes me what excuses people come up with to rationalize their wasteful behavior. &nbsp;I live in the Denver area, and trust me, this is <strong>not</strong> an alternative-transport friendly area. &nbsp;There are almost no bike lanes. &nbsp;The buses take forever and don't go everywhere. &nbsp;Sidewalks in many neighborhoods (including mine) are teeny tiny and can only accomodate one person... no walking side by side with a friend here, unless the other person is in the street (or the gutter). &nbsp;That being said, I have never owned a single car in my life (and I'm 28). &nbsp;I walk, I bike, I take the bus... and yes, it takes me two hours to get a loaf of bread. &nbsp;That is why I don't make a trip just for a loaf of bread. &nbsp;I do lots of trips at once, or stop in on my way home from work to run errands. &nbsp;And yes, I hike my (canvas) bags of groceries on the bus, or balance them on my bike handle bars. &nbsp;You learn to deal with it. &nbsp;Yes, sometimes it would be nice to have a car... when it's really late and I don't feel safe walking somewhere, for instance, or if I have a really heavy load of groceries (and yes, I admit I've bummed a ride a few times for occasions like this). &nbsp;But otherwise I cope. &nbsp;I'm sorry, but if you're whining that you just can't live without three cars... I can't sympathize. &nbsp;The main reason why I've never owned a car is I can't afford one (though now even if I could afford one I don't think I'd buy one... unless maybe it was electric and I had solar panels ^_^). &nbsp;So for me to read about people complaining that two cars isn't enough and they "need" three... I can't help but think... rich, spoiled people! &nbsp;Plenty of people the world over do without any cars at all, let alone three, with much shoddier or nonexistant public transport than I'm sure most of us have to deal with. &nbsp;You just have to get your priorities in order. &nbsp;Now I don't expect everyone to give up their cars just like that, but truly... people that have THREE CARS and claim to be environmentalist to me would be like if Bush claimed to be a liberal. &nbsp;I don't mean to be mean, but seriously, people... if two cars is your idea of hardship, it's no wonder we're the consumerist capital of the world.</p>
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				<p><strong>Wow, the excuse factor</strong></p><p>It always amazes me what excuses people come up with to rationalize their wasteful behavior. &nbsp;I live in the Denver area, and trust me, this is <strong>not</strong> an alternative-transport friendly area. &nbsp;There are almost no bike lanes. &nbsp;The buses take forever and don't go everywhere. &nbsp;Sidewalks in many neighborhoods (including mine) are teeny tiny and can only accomodate one person... no walking side by side with a friend here, unless the other person is in the street (or the gutter). &nbsp;That being said, I have never owned a single car in my life (and I'm 28). &nbsp;I walk, I bike, I take the bus... and yes, it takes me two hours to get a loaf of bread. &nbsp;That is why I don't make a trip just for a loaf of bread. &nbsp;I do lots of trips at once, or stop in on my way home from work to run errands. &nbsp;And yes, I hike my (canvas) bags of groceries on the bus, or balance them on my bike handle bars. &nbsp;You learn to deal with it. &nbsp;Yes, sometimes it would be nice to have a car... when it's really late and I don't feel safe walking somewhere, for instance, or if I have a really heavy load of groceries (and yes, I admit I've bummed a ride a few times for occasions like this). &nbsp;But otherwise I cope. &nbsp;I'm sorry, but if you're whining that you just can't live without three cars... I can't sympathize. &nbsp;The main reason why I've never owned a car is I can't afford one (though now even if I could afford one I don't think I'd buy one... unless maybe it was electric and I had solar panels ^_^). &nbsp;So for me to read about people complaining that two cars isn't enough and they "need" three... I can't help but think... rich, spoiled people! &nbsp;Plenty of people the world over do without any cars at all, let alone three, with much shoddier or nonexistant public transport than I'm sure most of us have to deal with. &nbsp;You just have to get your priorities in order. &nbsp;Now I don't expect everyone to give up their cars just like that, but truly... people that have THREE CARS and claim to be environmentalist to me would be like if Bush claimed to be a liberal. &nbsp;I don't mean to be mean, but seriously, people... if two cars is your idea of hardship, it's no wonder we're the consumerist capital of the world.</p>
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