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            <title>Comment #1 by Biodiversivist</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:57:10 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Get your kids bug nets.<p>Never travel without one. Kids need to catch, hold, inspect, respect, and release. Watching creatures on television or in zoos isn't even close. Here's my oldest letting a free range tarantula crawl over her hand.<p>
<a href="http://home.comcast.net/~russ676/photo/taratulahand.JPG" rel="nofollow">http://home.comcast.net/~russ676/photo/taratulahand.JPG<p>
Other posts on one of my favorite topics:<p>
<a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/7/8/174113/3750" rel="nofollow">http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/7/8/174113/3750<p>
<a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2005/7/9/181017/2895" rel="nofollow">http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2005/7/9/181017/2895<p>
<a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/10/23/83823/917" rel="nofollow">http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/10/23/83823/917<p>
<a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/10/24/155217/12" rel="nofollow">http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/10/24/155217/12

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></a></p></a></p></a></p></a></p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Get your kids bug nets.<p>Never travel without one. Kids need to catch, hold, inspect, respect, and release. Watching creatures on television or in zoos isn't even close. Here's my oldest letting a free range tarantula crawl over her hand.<p>
<a href="http://home.comcast.net/~russ676/photo/taratulahand.JPG" rel="nofollow">http://home.comcast.net/~russ676/photo/taratulahand.JPG<p>
Other posts on one of my favorite topics:<p>
<a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/7/8/174113/3750" rel="nofollow">http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/7/8/174113/3750<p>
<a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2005/7/9/181017/2895" rel="nofollow">http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2005/7/9/181017/2895<p>
<a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/10/23/83823/917" rel="nofollow">http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/10/23/83823/917<p>
<a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/10/24/155217/12" rel="nofollow">http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/10/24/155217/12

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></a></p></a></p></a></p></a></p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by GreenMom</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:06:06 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Kids are complicated</strong></p><p>My kids are very outdoorsy. &nbsp;We live in the country, and they love nature.</p><p>
I'm also a soccer mom -- my daughter, a middle-schooler, loves to play, plays at the highest available level, and can't imagine life without it.</p><p>
So hey, not that I have all the answers, but I do think the answer is to go with your kid's individual needs. &nbsp;I've got one who lives in the soccer world and loves it, and one who would be killed by a schedule like his older sister's.</p><p>
Life is complicated. &nbsp;People are complicated. &nbsp;Kids are individuals. &nbsp;Listen to them, and they will tell you what they need.</p><p>
My two cents.</p>
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				<p><strong>Kids are complicated</strong></p><p>My kids are very outdoorsy. &nbsp;We live in the country, and they love nature.</p><p>
I'm also a soccer mom -- my daughter, a middle-schooler, loves to play, plays at the highest available level, and can't imagine life without it.</p><p>
So hey, not that I have all the answers, but I do think the answer is to go with your kid's individual needs. &nbsp;I've got one who lives in the soccer world and loves it, and one who would be killed by a schedule like his older sister's.</p><p>
Life is complicated. &nbsp;People are complicated. &nbsp;Kids are individuals. &nbsp;Listen to them, and they will tell you what they need.</p><p>
My two cents.</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 02:03:46 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Soccer Moms, Consilience...It's All The Same<p><br>
Does E.O. Wilson ever stop?<p>
One decade it's social insects.<p>
The next it's the unity of knowledge.<p>
Now it's soccer moms.<p>
Hey, E.O., looks like that "Consilience Thing" didn't really take off...only a buck seventeen on Amazon:<p>
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Consilience-Knowledge-Edward-O-Wilson/dp/0679450777" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Consilience-Knowledge-Edward-O-Wils ...

<p><a href="http://technology.newscientist.com/article/dn13545-nanomaterial-turns-radiation-directly-into-electr  icity.html" rel="nofollow">Look! Nuclear Batteries!</a></p></a></p></p></p></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Soccer Moms, Consilience...It's All The Same<p><br>
Does E.O. Wilson ever stop?<p>
One decade it's social insects.<p>
The next it's the unity of knowledge.<p>
Now it's soccer moms.<p>
Hey, E.O., looks like that "Consilience Thing" didn't really take off...only a buck seventeen on Amazon:<p>
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Consilience-Knowledge-Edward-O-Wilson/dp/0679450777" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Consilience-Knowledge-Edward-O-Wils ...

<p><a href="http://technology.newscientist.com/article/dn13545-nanomaterial-turns-radiation-directly-into-electr  icity.html" rel="nofollow">Look! Nuclear Batteries!</a></p></a></p></p></p></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by anotherID</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 07:47:58 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>winguttery!<p>Read the Unskilled and Unaware study.<p>
Double cursed.<p>
"Not only do they reach erroneous conclusions<br>
and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the ability to realize it."<p>
<a href="http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf</a></p></br></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>winguttery!<p>Read the Unskilled and Unaware study.<p>
Double cursed.<p>
"Not only do they reach erroneous conclusions<br>
and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the ability to realize it."<p>
<a href="http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf</a></p></br></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 08:55:07 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>BioD takes the cake!</strong></p><p>BioD, there are people who would say you are a monster-parent, and that your children should be seized out of your care and put into foster homes. &nbsp;: )</p><p>
Which just goes to show what people will say. &nbsp;E.O. Wilson is right!</p><p>
By the way, I love spiders, and think they are beautiful creatures; but I have never had the experience of having a tarantula crawl on me.</p><p>
There was an early James Bond movie, in which poor naked Sean Connery, in his hotel bed, discovers that he is not alone, there is a tarantula in there with him, and the camera shots linger on how it crawls delicately over his nudity. &nbsp;He ends up stomping it with a shoe.</p><p>
Actually, animals are not very well treated in James Bond movies. &nbsp;In "Live or Let Die," an inoffensive snake gets torched with Bond's hairspray.</p><p>
GreenMom,<br>
you are absolutely right, there are all kinds of children, and they learn in all kinds of ways. &nbsp;And I am not sure what E.O. Wilson has against labeling things. &nbsp;We amateur vertebrate paleontologists have traditionally loved all the big greco-latin names stuck next to dinosaurs, etc., in natural history museums and in books. &nbsp;And that experience has certainly not deadened our love of either nature or science.

<p>Chickens deserve our true friendship!  So do fish!  So do other sentient beings!  Let us learn to be kind.</p></br></p>
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				<p><strong>BioD takes the cake!</strong></p><p>BioD, there are people who would say you are a monster-parent, and that your children should be seized out of your care and put into foster homes. &nbsp;: )</p><p>
Which just goes to show what people will say. &nbsp;E.O. Wilson is right!</p><p>
By the way, I love spiders, and think they are beautiful creatures; but I have never had the experience of having a tarantula crawl on me.</p><p>
There was an early James Bond movie, in which poor naked Sean Connery, in his hotel bed, discovers that he is not alone, there is a tarantula in there with him, and the camera shots linger on how it crawls delicately over his nudity. &nbsp;He ends up stomping it with a shoe.</p><p>
Actually, animals are not very well treated in James Bond movies. &nbsp;In "Live or Let Die," an inoffensive snake gets torched with Bond's hairspray.</p><p>
GreenMom,<br>
you are absolutely right, there are all kinds of children, and they learn in all kinds of ways. &nbsp;And I am not sure what E.O. Wilson has against labeling things. &nbsp;We amateur vertebrate paleontologists have traditionally loved all the big greco-latin names stuck next to dinosaurs, etc., in natural history museums and in books. &nbsp;And that experience has certainly not deadened our love of either nature or science.

<p>Chickens deserve our true friendship!  So do fish!  So do other sentient beings!  Let us learn to be kind.</p></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by Assessor</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:59:10 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Soccer Moms</strong></p><p>"Kids are individuals. &nbsp;Listen to them, and they will tell you what they need." &nbsp;</p><p>
I partially agree. &nbsp;But, many of these "needs" are based on perception. If their friends have cell phones, i-pods, play soccer, and only take family vacations at a manicured resort, then the kid will also "need" to. In my opinion, parents should help children to occasionally break away from this "safety net" created by structured activities and spending our time in "built" environments. For example, I have a friend that won't allow her kid to attend church summer camp because of "stranger danger." Another is afraid of their child contracting West Nile Virus if they walk in the woods. This robs the children of their ability to explore, take chances, make decisions on their own, and develop self-confidence. &nbsp;Not to mention that appreciation of nature comes from direct experience. For instance, my son gained much more from hearing owls hoot in the nighttime woods than he ever did while visiting the zoo. &nbsp;He also gained much more of an appreciation for aquatic environments after catching his first Bass than he did from seeing a fish tank at a local exhibit. As a result, he's comfortable sleeping outside in the woods, knows how to safely maneuver canoe, and will handle a worm or a fish without hesitation. Meanwhile, some of his friends just opt to stay shore or at home......</p>
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				<p><strong>Soccer Moms</strong></p><p>"Kids are individuals. &nbsp;Listen to them, and they will tell you what they need." &nbsp;</p><p>
I partially agree. &nbsp;But, many of these "needs" are based on perception. If their friends have cell phones, i-pods, play soccer, and only take family vacations at a manicured resort, then the kid will also "need" to. In my opinion, parents should help children to occasionally break away from this "safety net" created by structured activities and spending our time in "built" environments. For example, I have a friend that won't allow her kid to attend church summer camp because of "stranger danger." Another is afraid of their child contracting West Nile Virus if they walk in the woods. This robs the children of their ability to explore, take chances, make decisions on their own, and develop self-confidence. &nbsp;Not to mention that appreciation of nature comes from direct experience. For instance, my son gained much more from hearing owls hoot in the nighttime woods than he ever did while visiting the zoo. &nbsp;He also gained much more of an appreciation for aquatic environments after catching his first Bass than he did from seeing a fish tank at a local exhibit. As a result, he's comfortable sleeping outside in the woods, knows how to safely maneuver canoe, and will handle a worm or a fish without hesitation. Meanwhile, some of his friends just opt to stay shore or at home......</p>
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