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            <title>Comment #1 by Jon Rynn</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:00:32 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Science and positive feedback</strong></p><p>When I was researching my dissertation in the late 1990s, I wanted to explore the issue of positive feedback (in both political and economic systems), and I wound up using the concept, but the only scientific book I could find on the subject was "Positive feedback in natural systems", Deangelis et al, from 1986. &nbsp;</p><p>
It seemed to me then and it seems to me now that most scientific disciplines have been infected with a desire to look at systems that balance and stabilize, and so have concentrated much more on negative feedback systems than on positive ones. &nbsp;For that reason, I have been assuming that the current climage change models are much too conservative, because I assume that there is a bias against modeling the full consequences of positive feedback looks -- so I'm glad JR is spending time on this crucial issue.</p>
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				<p><strong>Science and positive feedback</strong></p><p>When I was researching my dissertation in the late 1990s, I wanted to explore the issue of positive feedback (in both political and economic systems), and I wound up using the concept, but the only scientific book I could find on the subject was "Positive feedback in natural systems", Deangelis et al, from 1986. &nbsp;</p><p>
It seemed to me then and it seems to me now that most scientific disciplines have been infected with a desire to look at systems that balance and stabilize, and so have concentrated much more on negative feedback systems than on positive ones. &nbsp;For that reason, I have been assuming that the current climage change models are much too conservative, because I assume that there is a bias against modeling the full consequences of positive feedback looks -- so I'm glad JR is spending time on this crucial issue.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by JMG</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/are-scientists-overestimating-or-underestimating-climate-change-part-ii/</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:02:22 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>With Speed and Violence</strong></p><p>Just another plug for Fred Pierce's book --- all about positive feedback factors that didn't make it into the IPCC reports --- "With Speed and Violence."

<p>Save the world:  Reduce greenhouse gas emissions 5% annually.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>With Speed and Violence</strong></p><p>Just another plug for Fred Pierce's book --- all about positive feedback factors that didn't make it into the IPCC reports --- "With Speed and Violence."

<p>Save the world:  Reduce greenhouse gas emissions 5% annually.</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by sindark</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:08:03 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Books on climate feedback<p>"the only scientific book I could find on the subject was "Positive feedback in natural systems", Deangelis et al, from 1986."<p>
Spencer Weart's book The discovery of global warming talks quite a bit about feedback effects. He, in turn, cites quite a number of sources.

<p><a href="http://www.sindark.com" rel="nofollow">a sibilant intake of breath</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Books on climate feedback<p>"the only scientific book I could find on the subject was "Positive feedback in natural systems", Deangelis et al, from 1986."<p>
Spencer Weart's book The discovery of global warming talks quite a bit about feedback effects. He, in turn, cites quite a number of sources.

<p><a href="http://www.sindark.com" rel="nofollow">a sibilant intake of breath</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Jon Rynn</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:18:19 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Thanks!</strong></p><p></p>
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				<p><strong>Thanks!</strong></p><p></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by Jon Rynn</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:08:21 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Light reading....</strong></p><p>...I just ordered<br>
With Speed and Violence: Why Scientists Fear Tipping Points in Climate Change</p><p>
Catastrophes and Lesser Calamities: The Causes of Mass Extinctions</p><p>
Out of Thin Air: Dinosaurs, Birds, And Earth's Ancient Atmosphere</p><p>
Took me a while to do it, because we just got a freak storm in the Chicago area, the O'hare traffic controllers had to evacuate their tower, there were tornado sightings, and the electricity went out for a bit...but hey, at least people can drive SUV's and blow dry their hair!</br></p>
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				<p><strong>Light reading....</strong></p><p>...I just ordered<br>
With Speed and Violence: Why Scientists Fear Tipping Points in Climate Change</p><p>
Catastrophes and Lesser Calamities: The Causes of Mass Extinctions</p><p>
Out of Thin Air: Dinosaurs, Birds, And Earth's Ancient Atmosphere</p><p>
Took me a while to do it, because we just got a freak storm in the Chicago area, the O'hare traffic controllers had to evacuate their tower, there were tornado sightings, and the electricity went out for a bit...but hey, at least people can drive SUV's and blow dry their hair!</br></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:58:10 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Then She Rips The Wig Off!<p><br>
Cat fight!<p>
Anthropogenic Global Warmers are clawing and scratching each other.<p>
Meanwhile, book after book after paper comes out debunking it all.<p>
Pour me another Gabbiano white wine, I'm basking in the Global Heat!

<p>John Bailo<br>
<a href="http://sutext.texeme.com" rel="nofollow">Sutext:</a></br></p></p></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Then She Rips The Wig Off!<p><br>
Cat fight!<p>
Anthropogenic Global Warmers are clawing and scratching each other.<p>
Meanwhile, book after book after paper comes out debunking it all.<p>
Pour me another Gabbiano white wine, I'm basking in the Global Heat!

<p>John Bailo<br>
<a href="http://sutext.texeme.com" rel="nofollow">Sutext:</a></br></p></p></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by exusian</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:59:50 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Re: Then She Rips The Wig Off!</strong></p><p>John Bailo writes: "Meanwhile, book after book after paper comes out debunking it all."</p><p>
Name one, and explain exactly how it debunks any part of anthropogenic global warming.</p>
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				<p><strong>Re: Then She Rips The Wig Off!</strong></p><p>John Bailo writes: "Meanwhile, book after book after paper comes out debunking it all."</p><p>
Name one, and explain exactly how it debunks any part of anthropogenic global warming.</p>
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