I considered L-W to be more of a dry-run for 2009-2010 anyways.

But atleast it gets these Republican Senators on record, such that they can be voted out of office.  :)

The disconnect from the public's desire for a reasonable environmental/sustainable energy policy and what happens inside the Beltway continues to be ridiculous. I never cease to be amazed at the power of the oil lobby (API et al)or the energy lobby for that matter (coal barons et al). Based on the results of this latest Senate vote,even with an administration change and both new nominees desiring reductions of greenhouse gasses, we may not see any new initiatives pass until we have a runaway greenhouse situation--in about 10-15 yrs. Obviously, by then, no effort of any kind will matter and we will be forced to watch the birth of Mars right here at home. Stick a fork in us,period...

GreenGhost-Creeping into any environmental discussion.

The richest comment on Sherrod Brown was a line in a news story in the Plain Dealer. It said "...Brown, a liberal congressman before going to the Senate." That's what the Senate does to people.

Brown has so far only shown a talent for sterling rhetoric, and wonderful statements on the need for action on climate change. As an old community organizer in Cleveland once said, "A statement a day, keeps the Devil away."

We who have backed him in the past are undergoing a massive crisis of faith. We are still waiting for deeds. I wonder if that great getting up morning will ever arrive?

I wonder. Will I be breaking the law if I take my Sherrod Brown yard sign out to my front lawn and burn it?

Randy Cunningham
Cleveland, OH

Randy Cunningham

Good riddance to bad legislation. The Democrats weren't serious about this, they scheduled only 30 hours of debate for a landmark piece of legislation. The Clean Air Act took over a month of debate.  They wanted to ram something through so they could blame Republicans.  

Most Americans see LW-B for what it is: environmental socialism, a transfer of wealth from the citizens to the government and then to lobbyists and special interests.  It is pork barrel spending on steroids.

If you want a cap and trade bill, fine, follow Robert Reich's advice.  Tax fuel at the point of sale and divide the tax revenues up equally among every American through a direct rebate. No skimming off the top by the politicians.

Then you can spend your rebate on a Prius or solar panels, or whatever you want.  I've heard that organic cotton, union made Che Guevera t-shirts are very popular with the average Democrat Party member and Grist reader.

I heard that there are some ideas about building trains among cities in Ohio.  Is he at least supportive of public transit?

"in about 10-15 yrs. Obviously, by then, no effort of any kind will matter and we will be forced to watch the birth of Mars right here at home. Stick a fork in us,period..."

Victory in Pattani

"This may be the dumbest idea ever but it's time for the citizens to take charge."

Actually Colin, this is the best suggestion I have read to date on this board. Citizens should lobby their representatives. That's the way the system is suppose to work. And if enough citizens are concerned, then the system will respond......... maybe not exactly as you wish, but it will respond. Beats the alternative........ sitting here whinging on the net about how bad everything and everyone is.

Victory in Pattani

Go to his web site. He has statements that will bring green tears to your eyes. But - so far - he is all show and no go.

Ed Abbey once said that sentiment in the abscence of action, is injurious to one's soul. I can't think of Sherrod without thinking of that saying.

Oh, by the way, I did burn my Sherrod Brown yard sign and I am sending it to him tomorrow.

Randy Cunningham
Cleveland, OH

Randy Cunningham

Well, he should get behind a rail network in Ohio, it would provide lots of manufacturing jobs and be a model for the country.

Randy Cunningham

I have to depend on my experience working in improving the environment and the fragility that this planet exhibits chemically. We are guests here--the planet(our landlord)is very tired of us as tenants and we're losing our lease very soon.

GreenGhost-Creeping into any environmental discussion.

What are you doing now to help Congress get information it needs to counter the arguments and distractions from the hired guns lobbyists  who will for sure be ready to try to kill any climate bill comes up again next year??

Although the Republican leadership short-circuited meaningful debate on solutions to the climate crisis, I was pleased to hear so many Senators last week  advocating immediate action to stop global warming. Fifteen years ago when I mentioned that burning fossil fuel was going to melt ice caps, raise sea levels and destroy our economy people looked at me like I had just escaped from an asylum.
Now a majority of the Senate has agreed that something needs to be done to reduce use of fossil fuels. Some Senators seemed well informed about the issues.

How is the environmental community doing in providing support for them??  Lots of environmental organzations have great websites with lots of facts, and different opinions are ricocheting around about what to do.
But I have not seen anything like a concerted effort to come to an agreement on best possilble recommendations or coordinated lobbying. ??Does it exist and I missed it?

If you couldn't watch C-SPAN last week, here is a taste of what I heard.  
Senator Kerry outlined the dire consequences of failing to reduce our carbon emission, emphasizing how the predictions of some years ago have already occurred much sooner than expected.
Sen Klobuchar talked about the need for nationwide standardization of data on carbon emissions. Sen Menendez said that the federal government should be required to calculate the costs of inaction on climate, in farming, forestry, insurence etc. Sen Lieberman emphasized the security threat of our dependence on foreign oil. Sen Durbin saying that we have to look at the economic cost of bringing steel half way around the world, and use the free market to let US entrepreneurial talent to get out in front of this problem.
Senator Sanders gave examples of successes in clean alternative sources of energy
So did Senator Baccus, talking about the growth of windpower in Montana.
From Colorado two different voices emerged. Sen Slazar advocated support for renewable energy (and carbon sequestration).  Sen Allard, on the other hand, questioned the science of global warming and the need to do anything different now!

Sen Boxer, who led the effort with an appropriate sense of urgency and excellent factual exhibits, said that if we wait for 100% certainty terrible things will happen, and that we are now at 99% certainty.
Waiting 2 years to act will double the rate at which we have to cut emissions.
She said we will be looking then at:
$422 billion in increased hurricane costs
$350 billion in increased insurance costs
$141 billion in increased energy costs
$950 billion in increased water costs
Also, what she said repeatedly was, if you disagree, what DO you think we should do?  

What are you doing now to help Congress get information it needs to counter the arguments and distractions from the hired guns lobbyists  who will for sure be ready to try to kill any climate bill comes up again next year??

Although the Republican leadership short-circuited meaningful debate on solutions to the climate crisis, I was pleased to hear so many Senators last week  advocating immediate action to stop global warming. Fifteen years ago when I mentioned that burning fossil fuel was going to melt ice caps, raise sea levels and destroy our economy people looked at me like I had just escaped from an asylum.
Now a majority of the Senate has agreed that something needs to be done to reduce use of fossil fuels. Some Senators seemed well informed about the issues.

How is the environmental community doing in providing support for them??  Lots of environmental organzations have great websites with lots of facts, and different opinions are ricocheting around about what to do.
But I have not seen anything like a concerted effort to come to an agreement on best possilble recommendations or coordinated lobbying. ??Does it exist and I missed it?

If you couldn't watch C-SPAN last week, here is a taste of what I heard.  
Senator Kerry outlined the dire consequences of failing to reduce our carbon emission, emphasizing how the predictions of some years ago have already occurred much sooner than expected.
Sen Klobuchar talked about the need for nationwide standardization of data on carbon emissions. Sen Menendez said that the federal government should be required to calculate the costs of inaction on climate, in farming, forestry, insurence etc. Sen Lieberman emphasized the security threat of our dependence on foreign oil. Sen Durbin saying that we have to look at the economic cost of bringing steel half way around the world, and use the free market to let US entrepreneurial talent to get out in front of this problem.
Senator Sanders gave examples of successes in clean alternative sources of energy
So did Senator Baccus, talking about the growth of windpower in Montana.
From Colorado two different voices emerged. Sen Slazar advocated support for renewable energy (and carbon sequestration).  Sen Allard, on the other hand, questioned the science of global warming and the need to do anything different now!

Sen Boxer, who led the effort with an appropriate sense of urgency and excellent factual exhibits, said that if we wait for 100% certainty terrible things will happen, and that we are now at 99% certainty.
Waiting 2 years to act will double the rate at which we have to cut emissions.
She said we will be looking then at:
$422 billion in increased hurricane costs
$350 billion in increased insurance costs
$141 billion in increased energy costs
$950 billion in increased water costs
Also, what she said repeatedly was, if you disagree, what DO you think we should do?  

This Bill was the most egregious usurpation of human rights since the Josef Stalin opened the adult daycare center known as the Gulag Archipelago.

It will looked back on as simply madness...the madness of a crowd hysteria brought on by aberrant "leaders" such as Gore who misused fame, power...and most of all those who stood beneath him.

"I have to depend on my experience working in improving the environment and the fragility that this planet exhibits chemically. We are guests here--the planet(our landlord)is very tired of us as tenants and we're losing our lease very soon."

"More negative waves man. It's a beautiful day. Can't you say something positive and righteous and hopeful for a change?"

Every post you ever write is "we're doomed".

Well, if that's true, then I want to have fun while I'm here. If you insist on wringing your hands and whinging all the time, can't you do it in a more private space.

I'll bet you're a lot of fun to hang out with......

Victory in Pattani

Shame on Barack and Hilary for not being around when the Climate Change vote took place.
They both need to be accountable for this misstep!

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