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            <title>Comment #1 by bookerly</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/america-outsourcing-its-pollution-to-china/</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:33:25 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>China Bashing 101</strong></p><p><br>
&nbsp; This posting is a prime example of China bashing. &nbsp;I urge people to read the AP article carefully. &nbsp;It includes Siberian forest fires as part of the problem (not in China), and uses a lot of careful words like "may" "can" and talk about what could happen in the future.</p><p>
&nbsp; A couple of points. &nbsp;When Chinese pollution arrives in America (to the extent that it does), remember that a lot of comes from producing American consumer goods at a cheap price. &nbsp;One might regard this as chickens coming home to roost.</p><p>
&nbsp; FWIW, American pollution from the Midwest causes similar problems in New England. &nbsp;And I recall as a young lad reading about Europeans complaining about American pollution crossing the Atlantic to Europe and angering the Europeans (to no avail).</p><p>
&nbsp; As for the dust from dust storms, note that it comes from the Gobi Desert, which is in Mongolia as well as China (do all Asian countries look alike?), blaming China exclusively for the sand is not accurate.</p><p>
&nbsp; China has hardly surpassed America as a source of pollution. &nbsp;But blaming China instead of trying to solve the problem certainly seems to be a growing industry!</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;If America had signed on the Kyoto Treaty, then it might be trying to make things better instead of blaming everyone else.</p><p>
Patrick</br></p>
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				<p><strong>China Bashing 101</strong></p><p><br>
&nbsp; This posting is a prime example of China bashing. &nbsp;I urge people to read the AP article carefully. &nbsp;It includes Siberian forest fires as part of the problem (not in China), and uses a lot of careful words like "may" "can" and talk about what could happen in the future.</p><p>
&nbsp; A couple of points. &nbsp;When Chinese pollution arrives in America (to the extent that it does), remember that a lot of comes from producing American consumer goods at a cheap price. &nbsp;One might regard this as chickens coming home to roost.</p><p>
&nbsp; FWIW, American pollution from the Midwest causes similar problems in New England. &nbsp;And I recall as a young lad reading about Europeans complaining about American pollution crossing the Atlantic to Europe and angering the Europeans (to no avail).</p><p>
&nbsp; As for the dust from dust storms, note that it comes from the Gobi Desert, which is in Mongolia as well as China (do all Asian countries look alike?), blaming China exclusively for the sand is not accurate.</p><p>
&nbsp; China has hardly surpassed America as a source of pollution. &nbsp;But blaming China instead of trying to solve the problem certainly seems to be a growing industry!</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;If America had signed on the Kyoto Treaty, then it might be trying to make things better instead of blaming everyone else.</p><p>
Patrick</br></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Vincenze</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:54:31 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>a different take<p>Ok... <p>
I'm not sure if Patrick and I read the same article cause I took it to mean something different entirely, maybe I missed something.<p>
I took this article to mean that Americans (or westerners in general) should stop pointing their fingers at China for being such a big polluter of the world. &nbsp;That is of course since much of China's manufacturing that results in pollution is a result of western companies shipping their labour to China cause it's cheaper. &nbsp;Um, so really it's "our pollution".<p>
That's how I took it and I agree totally, in fact, and picture a light bulb above my rusty head if you would... it proves how hypocritical the US government was in rejecting Kyoto, based on the whole "it's unfair economically, sob, sob, that the developed world don't have to make their targets sob, sob"... <p>
Yes, much clearer now and to think how many times I've looked and seen "made in China", thanks.<p>
Vincenze.<p>
<a href="http://vincenze.com" rel="nofollow">http://vincenze.com</a></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>a different take<p>Ok... <p>
I'm not sure if Patrick and I read the same article cause I took it to mean something different entirely, maybe I missed something.<p>
I took this article to mean that Americans (or westerners in general) should stop pointing their fingers at China for being such a big polluter of the world. &nbsp;That is of course since much of China's manufacturing that results in pollution is a result of western companies shipping their labour to China cause it's cheaper. &nbsp;Um, so really it's "our pollution".<p>
That's how I took it and I agree totally, in fact, and picture a light bulb above my rusty head if you would... it proves how hypocritical the US government was in rejecting Kyoto, based on the whole "it's unfair economically, sob, sob, that the developed world don't have to make their targets sob, sob"... <p>
Yes, much clearer now and to think how many times I've looked and seen "made in China", thanks.<p>
Vincenze.<p>
<a href="http://vincenze.com" rel="nofollow">http://vincenze.com</a></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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