<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for GA state legislature tries to figure out whether climate change is real]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by Biodiversivist http://www.grist.org/article/alternative-information/ Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:48:09 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/alternative-information/1 Much of the South remains a seat of ignorance

and I apologize to all of you I just offended who live there but don't fit the stereotype.

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world

]]> Much of the South remains a seat of ignorance

and I apologize to all of you I just offended who live there but don't fit the stereotype.

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world

]]> Comment #2 by Sean Casten http://www.grist.org/article/alternative-information/ Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:45:29 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/alternative-information/2 Biod response

Biod - I don't disagree with you in terms of outcome, but I think the cause is more political than ignorant.  Several years ago, I was on a panel with a former FERC Commissioner who shall remain nameless - for reasons that are about to become evident - and I asked him offline afterwards why it was that we aren't able to form a sensible energy policy at the national level.  A part of his response, very loosely paraphrased was "because of the Civil War".  In essence, the observation was that all politicians have selfish ends that need to be balanced.  But in the south, those ends can always get political traction if the politician dresses them up in the guise of states rights issues, and brings up memories of Antietam.  As a result, the region has a real dearth of leadership on precisely those issues that require national - or, indeed, global - level responses.  And from his perspective, whenever one tried to talk about changes to our national energy policy, one would immediately confront massive political resistance from the southern states, in language that could pull in other states as well in spite of the negative outcomes.  (See David's recent post for an example of Romney playing the same card in Wyoming.)

It's an interesting observation, and probably goes beyond energy issues.  But it doesn't come from an ignorant population so much as it does from a political environment that is conducive to ignorant politicians of a particularly provincial worldview.

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Biod - I don't disagree with you in terms of outcome, but I think the cause is more political than ignorant.  Several years ago, I was on a panel with a former FERC Commissioner who shall remain nameless - for reasons that are about to become evident - and I asked him offline afterwards why it was that we aren't able to form a sensible energy policy at the national level.  A part of his response, very loosely paraphrased was "because of the Civil War".  In essence, the observation was that all politicians have selfish ends that need to be balanced.  But in the south, those ends can always get political traction if the politician dresses them up in the guise of states rights issues, and brings up memories of Antietam.  As a result, the region has a real dearth of leadership on precisely those issues that require national - or, indeed, global - level responses.  And from his perspective, whenever one tried to talk about changes to our national energy policy, one would immediately confront massive political resistance from the southern states, in language that could pull in other states as well in spite of the negative outcomes.  (See David's recent post for an example of Romney playing the same card in Wyoming.)

It's an interesting observation, and probably goes beyond energy issues.  But it doesn't come from an ignorant population so much as it does from a political environment that is conducive to ignorant politicians of a particularly provincial worldview.

]]> Comment #3 by pbearden47 http://www.grist.org/article/alternative-information/ Fri, 24 Aug 2007 00:13:13 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/alternative-information/3 No Offense Taken

I grew up in Georgia, left at 24, lived in France and Canada (socialized medicine seemed OK to me)and moved to New Jersey.  After 17 years in the Northeast, I moved back to Georgia (long story).

What I found in life is there is ignorance, shallowness and redneckness everywhere in some form or other.  The south is very blatant and approving of this attitude, and it has held the whole region back since the nation began.  Being educated is viewed as being "too big for your britches."

It's not easy for people like me, but there's lots of good in the south and there's lots of good people.  

I have to say that after decades of living in various places and then coming back to my hometown, I find the air filthy, the night sky blank, the beautiful country taken over by developers and sprawl.  I can't understand why people can't look out the window or try to breathe the air in Atlanta and then say "D'oh!" We have a problem.

Aunt Phyllis

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I grew up in Georgia, left at 24, lived in France and Canada (socialized medicine seemed OK to me)and moved to New Jersey.  After 17 years in the Northeast, I moved back to Georgia (long story).

What I found in life is there is ignorance, shallowness and redneckness everywhere in some form or other.  The south is very blatant and approving of this attitude, and it has held the whole region back since the nation began.  Being educated is viewed as being "too big for your britches."

It's not easy for people like me, but there's lots of good in the south and there's lots of good people.  

I have to say that after decades of living in various places and then coming back to my hometown, I find the air filthy, the night sky blank, the beautiful country taken over by developers and sprawl.  I can't understand why people can't look out the window or try to breathe the air in Atlanta and then say "D'oh!" We have a problem.

Aunt Phyllis

]]> Comment #4 by Delay And Deny http://www.grist.org/article/alternative-information/ Fri, 24 Aug 2007 02:20:18 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/alternative-information/4 Georgia Off The Mind


That God there are states like Georgia which has "seceded" from the present day Uni-Mind of Al Gore and brainwashed AGWers.

That includes my ATL Bros.

Wha' you say?

John Bailo
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That God there are states like Georgia which has "seceded" from the present day Uni-Mind of Al Gore and brainwashed AGWers.

That includes my ATL Bros.

Wha' you say?

John Bailo
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]]> Comment #5 by JMG http://www.grist.org/article/alternative-information/ Fri, 24 Aug 2007 04:30:39 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/alternative-information/5 Drew Pearson

Muckraker Drew Pearson wrote two terrific novels about Lyndon Johnson (disguised under a character, I think he was named Hannaford or something) called "The Senator" and "The President."

The thing that stayed with me, having spent some of my young years living in Dallas, Texas, was how Pearson nailed the politics so well.  He described the politics and tactics employed by the Segs throughout the South this way:

When in doubt, holler "N-----,"; when in real doubt, holler "Communist N------"

The observation from Sean's FERC buddy rings absolutely true; not for nothing did Faulkner of Ole' Miss say "The past isn't dead--hell, it isn't even the past."

Save the world: Reduce greenhouse gas emissions 5% annually.

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Muckraker Drew Pearson wrote two terrific novels about Lyndon Johnson (disguised under a character, I think he was named Hannaford or something) called "The Senator" and "The President."

The thing that stayed with me, having spent some of my young years living in Dallas, Texas, was how Pearson nailed the politics so well.  He described the politics and tactics employed by the Segs throughout the South this way:

When in doubt, holler "N-----,"; when in real doubt, holler "Communist N------"

The observation from Sean's FERC buddy rings absolutely true; not for nothing did Faulkner of Ole' Miss say "The past isn't dead--hell, it isn't even the past."

Save the world: Reduce greenhouse gas emissions 5% annually.

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