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            <title>Comment #1 by GreenEngineer</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:16:21 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>My favorite algae</strong></p><p>Growing algae of a specific, high-oil-content strain and keeping it free from contamination without spending a mint on closed bioreactors is tough. &nbsp;Growing algae -- period -- is as far as I know pretty easy.</p><p>
So here's what I don't understand. &nbsp;Why worry about oil content at all? &nbsp;Why not just grow large volumes of algae, skim it off, press out the water, and pryolise it to make synthesis gas (from which you can make gasoline, diesel, or any number of chemicals)?</p>
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				<p><strong>My favorite algae</strong></p><p>Growing algae of a specific, high-oil-content strain and keeping it free from contamination without spending a mint on closed bioreactors is tough. &nbsp;Growing algae -- period -- is as far as I know pretty easy.</p><p>
So here's what I don't understand. &nbsp;Why worry about oil content at all? &nbsp;Why not just grow large volumes of algae, skim it off, press out the water, and pryolise it to make synthesis gas (from which you can make gasoline, diesel, or any number of chemicals)?</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Erik Hoffner</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:56:00 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>yes<p>GE: yes, folks are looking at other angles too with algae, ie cellulosic ethanol, but biodiesel gets the most attention. Your idea sounds good, wonder who might be looking at that.<p>
Erik

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				<p><strong>yes<p>GE: yes, folks are looking at other angles too with algae, ie cellulosic ethanol, but biodiesel gets the most attention. Your idea sounds good, wonder who might be looking at that.<p>
Erik

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            <title>Comment #3 by Gar Lipow</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:23:54 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Instead of pyrolis, why not methane digestors</strong></p><p>Some of the original literature on algae and kelp pointed out that bacteria exist that can digest sea plants into methane - even in a salt water substrate. </p>
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				<p><strong>Instead of pyrolis, why not methane digestors</strong></p><p>Some of the original literature on algae and kelp pointed out that bacteria exist that can digest sea plants into methane - even in a salt water substrate. </p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 12:24:22 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>&quot;pond scum&quot;<p>A recent Texas story from CNN:<p>
<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/04/01/algae.oil/index.html?iref=newssearch" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/04/01/algae.oil/inde ....<p>
Notice that, as if by coincidence, the green of the hanging racks of algae packets is very close to the green background of that annoying circular "we" logo for Al Gore's new enterprise, in which the "w" is just a flipped "m."

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				<p><strong>&quot;pond scum&quot;<p>A recent Texas story from CNN:<p>
<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/04/01/algae.oil/index.html?iref=newssearch" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/04/01/algae.oil/inde ....<p>
Notice that, as if by coincidence, the green of the hanging racks of algae packets is very close to the green background of that annoying circular "we" logo for Al Gore's new enterprise, in which the "w" is just a flipped "m."

<p>Chickens deserve our true friendship!  So do fish!  So do other sentient beings!  Let us learn to be kind.</p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 06:15:09 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>yep Gar</strong></p><p>Why not? &nbsp;Harvest algae and plant overgrowth from waterways to turn into biogas and organic fertilizer. &nbsp;Lakes, rivers, and even oceans need help dealing with fertilizer and manure run off.</p><p>
Hypercar plugin hybrids could actually have biogas backup. &nbsp;Very little compressed fuel would be needed. &nbsp;

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				<p><strong>yep Gar</strong></p><p>Why not? &nbsp;Harvest algae and plant overgrowth from waterways to turn into biogas and organic fertilizer. &nbsp;Lakes, rivers, and even oceans need help dealing with fertilizer and manure run off.</p><p>
Hypercar plugin hybrids could actually have biogas backup. &nbsp;Very little compressed fuel would be needed. &nbsp;

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by JimWest</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:50:30 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Closed Bioreactors</strong></p><p>Responding to neg comment about closed bioreactors.</p><p>
I doubt that closed systems should cost much more than open ponds. &nbsp;Closed systems are merely pumping water/algae through stamped out double plastic sheets. &nbsp;</p><p>
Many advantages are claimed, such as controlling contaminants (including biological predators), &nbsp;reducing water evaporation, increasing sunlight exposure.</p><p>
Perhaps the increasing sunlight exposure is hype. &nbsp;If algae 'block the sun' from other algae in a pond scenario, then who should care? &nbsp;Algae that re blocking are receiving more sunlight, and by circulating the pond water, exposed algae are being recycled. &nbsp;</p><p>
So I would say the best system would not be Vertigro systems, where 'farms' are 6 foot high. &nbsp;I would advocate: &nbsp;one layer closed systems, flat on the ground, circulating the algae at increased density of algae. &nbsp;There is only so much sunlight per square foot available. &nbsp;And playing games with vertical growth systems won't increase that.</p>
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				<p><strong>Closed Bioreactors</strong></p><p>Responding to neg comment about closed bioreactors.</p><p>
I doubt that closed systems should cost much more than open ponds. &nbsp;Closed systems are merely pumping water/algae through stamped out double plastic sheets. &nbsp;</p><p>
Many advantages are claimed, such as controlling contaminants (including biological predators), &nbsp;reducing water evaporation, increasing sunlight exposure.</p><p>
Perhaps the increasing sunlight exposure is hype. &nbsp;If algae 'block the sun' from other algae in a pond scenario, then who should care? &nbsp;Algae that re blocking are receiving more sunlight, and by circulating the pond water, exposed algae are being recycled. &nbsp;</p><p>
So I would say the best system would not be Vertigro systems, where 'farms' are 6 foot high. &nbsp;I would advocate: &nbsp;one layer closed systems, flat on the ground, circulating the algae at increased density of algae. &nbsp;There is only so much sunlight per square foot available. &nbsp;And playing games with vertical growth systems won't increase that.</p>
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