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            <title>Comment #1 by JMG</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:32:14 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Prius acceleration</strong></p><p>When we rented a Prius for a trip between Albuquerque and the Grand Canyon, we found that the combination of the two power plants meant that our cruise control REALLY worked -- as in we kept having to go off the cruise control when going up hills because we didn't want to run up the tailpipe of people driving a gas-only engine. </p><p>
I figured the issue was that the gas engine would come on and then, as the car would slow down, the battery would supplement the engine, and we tended to absolutely fly up those hills at the same speed as we held on the flats.</p><p>
No way was that car underpowered.</p><p>
Now maybe that's a different issue that purely acceleration--though we found the Prius plenty peppy.

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				<p><strong>Prius acceleration</strong></p><p>When we rented a Prius for a trip between Albuquerque and the Grand Canyon, we found that the combination of the two power plants meant that our cruise control REALLY worked -- as in we kept having to go off the cruise control when going up hills because we didn't want to run up the tailpipe of people driving a gas-only engine. </p><p>
I figured the issue was that the gas engine would come on and then, as the car would slow down, the battery would supplement the engine, and we tended to absolutely fly up those hills at the same speed as we held on the flats.</p><p>
No way was that car underpowered.</p><p>
Now maybe that's a different issue that purely acceleration--though we found the Prius plenty peppy.

<p>Save the world:  Reduce greenhouse gas emissions 5% annually.</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:34:21 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Boeing You Ain't<p><br>
Having spent my early adolescense building model rockets, I can tell that you have made a primary error in trying to understand aerodynamic design.<p>
There is a huge difference in low speed or subsonic design and super or hypersonic design.<p>
At low speeds, the most important thing is to have articulation (like the xB) because of the drag that comes from vortexes on the surface. &nbsp; Even fast moving subsonic craft like rockets benefit more from the curved "ballistic" design rather than the pointy noised supersonic design.<p>
Think of bees which can fly at car speeds but are covered in hairs. &nbsp; These hairs disperse the drag from air vortexes surround their "fusilage".

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				<p><strong>Boeing You Ain't<p><br>
Having spent my early adolescense building model rockets, I can tell that you have made a primary error in trying to understand aerodynamic design.<p>
There is a huge difference in low speed or subsonic design and super or hypersonic design.<p>
At low speeds, the most important thing is to have articulation (like the xB) because of the drag that comes from vortexes on the surface. &nbsp; Even fast moving subsonic craft like rockets benefit more from the curved "ballistic" design rather than the pointy noised supersonic design.<p>
Think of bees which can fly at car speeds but are covered in hairs. &nbsp; These hairs disperse the drag from air vortexes surround their "fusilage".

<p>John Bailo<br>
<a href="http://supratext.texeme.com" rel="nofollow">Supratext:</a></br></p></p></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Biodiversivist</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:14:01 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Jabailo,<p>The Prius has a drag coefficient of 0.26. The xB &nbsp;is 0.32.<p>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_coefficient" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_coefficient

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				<p><strong>Jabailo,<p>The Prius has a drag coefficient of 0.26. The xB &nbsp;is 0.32.<p>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_coefficient" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_coefficient

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            <title>Comment #4 by justlou</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 03:37:35 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Trailering w/Prius</strong></p><p>Would it be more efficient to tow a small trailer behind the Prius than to put that bulky carrier on the roof?</p><p>
Your carrier is not any bigger than some of the small trailers pulled by motorcycles. &nbsp;</p><p>
So, what does your owner's manual state about towing? &nbsp;Can it be done? &nbsp;</p><p>
I know, I'd prefer not to have two more wheels back there, but leaving out preferences, what is the feasibility? &nbsp;</p>
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				<p><strong>Trailering w/Prius</strong></p><p>Would it be more efficient to tow a small trailer behind the Prius than to put that bulky carrier on the roof?</p><p>
Your carrier is not any bigger than some of the small trailers pulled by motorcycles. &nbsp;</p><p>
So, what does your owner's manual state about towing? &nbsp;Can it be done? &nbsp;</p><p>
I know, I'd prefer not to have two more wheels back there, but leaving out preferences, what is the feasibility? &nbsp;</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by GreenEngineer</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 05:18:58 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>drag</strong></p><p>As usual, jabailo is full of **it. &nbsp;Yes, there are big differences between subsonic, transonic, and &nbsp;supersonic aerodynamics. &nbsp;But these differences are a result of the compressibility of air. &nbsp;As the vehicle travels closer to the speed of sound (i.e. the maximum rate of movement of the air molecules), the effective compressibility of the air changes and shockwaves form (thus sonic booms). &nbsp;But the speed that a car travels are all firmly in the subsonic realm, whether it's 20 mph or 80 mph.</p><p>
And, yes, I are a rocket scientist. &nbsp;(At least, I used to be.)</p>
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				<p><strong>drag</strong></p><p>As usual, jabailo is full of **it. &nbsp;Yes, there are big differences between subsonic, transonic, and &nbsp;supersonic aerodynamics. &nbsp;But these differences are a result of the compressibility of air. &nbsp;As the vehicle travels closer to the speed of sound (i.e. the maximum rate of movement of the air molecules), the effective compressibility of the air changes and shockwaves form (thus sonic booms). &nbsp;But the speed that a car travels are all firmly in the subsonic realm, whether it's 20 mph or 80 mph.</p><p>
And, yes, I are a rocket scientist. &nbsp;(At least, I used to be.)</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by Biodiversivist</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:38:23 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>justlou<p>The manual clearly states that you should never try to tow anything with a Prius. I'm guessing that the loads induced by an over sized trailer would uncover software bugs, not to mention burn out electric motors etc.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>justlou<p>The manual clearly states that you should never try to tow anything with a Prius. I'm guessing that the loads induced by an over sized trailer would uncover software bugs, not to mention burn out electric motors etc.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></strong></p>
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