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            <title>Comment #1 by GreyFlcn</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 05:00:37 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Perhaps<p>Perhaps he caught some fire for this.<br>
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				<p><strong>Perhaps<p>Perhaps he caught some fire for this.<br>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Wolfy</title>
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				<p><strong>Corporate Stooge Parade:  USDA</strong></p><p>Wow, where does one begin? &nbsp;Yet another corporate Bush crony in a government post. &nbsp;It would seem that Americans would be getting tired of the corporations calling all the shots. &nbsp;But, not so. &nbsp;While congress gleefully says it's the "American way" - let the market sort it out; capitalism has supplanted democracy. &nbsp;We have bought our freedom from the blood of millions of hard working Americans only to sell it out to foreign investors. &nbsp;And the corporate stooges in Washington are more than willing to sell us out in the name of the almighty dollar (or Amero) by enacting legislation that guarantees that Americans do not have fair trade.</p><p>
We, as Americans, should be severely pissed off at our own government spending billions of dollars to help support the economies of foreign nations and international corporations. &nbsp;For example, try buying only American made products. &nbsp;You'll find that most of what is consumed in this country is made in other countries. &nbsp;Why is that you ask? &nbsp;Because congress has created and supported foreign investment and development. &nbsp;Our own manufacturing markets have all but disappeared. &nbsp; &nbsp;We truly have become a nation of consumers and not producers. &nbsp;</p><p>
The new world wars will be fought on the boardroom table. &nbsp;Corporations have replaced national governments. &nbsp;The corporations that control the markets will control the world. &nbsp;Conner's new appointment is commonplace today in Washington. &nbsp;The corporations have been placing their stooges in government for a number of years now, heck, they even got a retarded president elected, twice! &nbsp;<br>


<p>Most times for evil to win it doesn't take a large, horrible event; it just takes a lot of people each doing just a little bad.
AOOOOOOooooooooo.........</p></br></p>
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				<p><strong>Corporate Stooge Parade:  USDA</strong></p><p>Wow, where does one begin? &nbsp;Yet another corporate Bush crony in a government post. &nbsp;It would seem that Americans would be getting tired of the corporations calling all the shots. &nbsp;But, not so. &nbsp;While congress gleefully says it's the "American way" - let the market sort it out; capitalism has supplanted democracy. &nbsp;We have bought our freedom from the blood of millions of hard working Americans only to sell it out to foreign investors. &nbsp;And the corporate stooges in Washington are more than willing to sell us out in the name of the almighty dollar (or Amero) by enacting legislation that guarantees that Americans do not have fair trade.</p><p>
We, as Americans, should be severely pissed off at our own government spending billions of dollars to help support the economies of foreign nations and international corporations. &nbsp;For example, try buying only American made products. &nbsp;You'll find that most of what is consumed in this country is made in other countries. &nbsp;Why is that you ask? &nbsp;Because congress has created and supported foreign investment and development. &nbsp;Our own manufacturing markets have all but disappeared. &nbsp; &nbsp;We truly have become a nation of consumers and not producers. &nbsp;</p><p>
The new world wars will be fought on the boardroom table. &nbsp;Corporations have replaced national governments. &nbsp;The corporations that control the markets will control the world. &nbsp;Conner's new appointment is commonplace today in Washington. &nbsp;The corporations have been placing their stooges in government for a number of years now, heck, they even got a retarded president elected, twice! &nbsp;<br>


<p>Most times for evil to win it doesn't take a large, horrible event; it just takes a lot of people each doing just a little bad.
AOOOOOOooooooooo.........</p></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Miscetal</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:24:26 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>and guess which midwestern governor suddenly...</strong></p><p>..became "green" when the ethanol industry suddenly took of and grabbed lots of subsidies with it?</p><p>
...and which state's former speaker of the house, a part-owner of two corporate "family" farms which receive large crop subsidies suddenly left his job to become commissioner of the state commerce office?</p><p>
Clue: the same state that was home to ADM's original headquarters: _ _ _ _ e _ _ _ a.

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				<p><strong>and guess which midwestern governor suddenly...</strong></p><p>..became "green" when the ethanol industry suddenly took of and grabbed lots of subsidies with it?</p><p>
...and which state's former speaker of the house, a part-owner of two corporate "family" farms which receive large crop subsidies suddenly left his job to become commissioner of the state commerce office?</p><p>
Clue: the same state that was home to ADM's original headquarters: _ _ _ _ e _ _ _ a.

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            <title>Comment #4 by Miscetal</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:41:39 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>pissed off</strong></p><p><br>
A lot of us are pissed off, but since we've handed over control of "the homeland" to the "patriots" we may not be safe saying so. &nbsp;Over the past thirty years, the theft of everything from public lands to the broadcast spectrum has gone into the hands of people who believe themselves to be called by the almighty (god or dollar, sometimes hard to tell) to rule over the rest of us. &nbsp;</p><p>
And there is no effective opposition party: the logical people for that role themselves identify as elites. &nbsp;</p><p>
This country was a wonderful, brave, imperfect idea. &nbsp;It has always been fragile, and we may not survive as more than a wealthy shell of our former selves unless something is done very quickly: they have used our public lands and air, water, even put poisons into our cells - and now we are buyimg it back from them with our taxes. &nbsp;We contract with them and their friends for infrastructure ranging from prisons to armies to ethnanol. &nbsp;Suddenly they are going green? &nbsp;watch them patent the sun.</p><p>
We've frittered away our attention on sexual politics and racial division while the very stuff of which the nation is made - its continent and its laws - have been stolen away.

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				<p><strong>pissed off</strong></p><p><br>
A lot of us are pissed off, but since we've handed over control of "the homeland" to the "patriots" we may not be safe saying so. &nbsp;Over the past thirty years, the theft of everything from public lands to the broadcast spectrum has gone into the hands of people who believe themselves to be called by the almighty (god or dollar, sometimes hard to tell) to rule over the rest of us. &nbsp;</p><p>
And there is no effective opposition party: the logical people for that role themselves identify as elites. &nbsp;</p><p>
This country was a wonderful, brave, imperfect idea. &nbsp;It has always been fragile, and we may not survive as more than a wealthy shell of our former selves unless something is done very quickly: they have used our public lands and air, water, even put poisons into our cells - and now we are buyimg it back from them with our taxes. &nbsp;We contract with them and their friends for infrastructure ranging from prisons to armies to ethnanol. &nbsp;Suddenly they are going green? &nbsp;watch them patent the sun.</p><p>
We've frittered away our attention on sexual politics and racial division while the very stuff of which the nation is made - its continent and its laws - have been stolen away.

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Miscetal</p></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by meander</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:45:34 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>So much to say<p>A few observations and one fact check in a very long comment:<p>
Sen. Lugar (R-IN) is currently one of the main proponents big changes to farm subsidy programs (the "FARM 21" plan), and so Connor's history with Lugar is raising eyebrows in Congress. &nbsp;I would guess that his time at the Corn Refiners' Association has changed his mind about subsidies, and that for the most part he likes the system just fine. &nbsp;An <a href="http://thehill.com/the-executive/senators-praise-bushs-pick-to-succeed-mike-johanns-2007-09-21.html" rel="nofollow">article in the Hill points out that Connor is in favor of stricter income caps than Congress wants. That's probably OK with the corn industry because my recollection is that most of the wealthy recipients of subsidies are growing rice and cotton, not corn. &nbsp;The Hill article:<br>
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Although Connor is well-respected on the Hill, some lobbyists see his advocacy for limiting subsidy payments as a potential problem. The administration proposed that those with incomes above $200,000 should not be able to receive farm subsidies, a policy that would affect cotton and rice farmers in the South more than other producers. The current limit is $2.5 million.<p>
In February, Connor defended the proposal in an interview with The Associated Press. "I don't know if there is anywhere in the country you can go where $200,000 adjusted gross net income is not a lot of income," he said. <p>
[...]<p>
Previewing potential campaign arguments, Johanns came under criticism from some farm-state lawmakers on Wednesday when news of his imminent resignation floated. Conrad said should stay with USDA until work on the farm bill is completed. <p>
Some lobbyists, however, said privately that Johanns's absence would make little difference in the outcome of the farm bill. <br>
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Via FarmPolicy.com, the <a href="http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070921/BUSINESS01/709210384/1029/BUSINESS" rel="nofollow">Des Moines Register has an article indicating that many of those hopes about ethanol being a savior for small rural communities and small farmers are probably going to be ill-advised:<br>
Early signs of a shakeout are rumbling through the ethanol industry, which will lead to more plants being owned by fewer and bigger investors, a leading biofuels venture capitalist said Thursday.<br>
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I don't know where you got the statistic for this, but it seem wrong to me, about seven times too high: &nbsp;"Today, HFCS is the dominant sweetener in the U.S.; 42 percent of the corn grown here goes into making it." &nbsp;<a href="http://www.ers.usda.gov/data/feedgrains/standardreports/ybtable31.htm" rel="nofollow">Table 31 of the USDA Feed Grains Database Yearbook lists the quantity of corn used in HFCS manufacturing as about 525 million bushels per year between 2001 and 2005. &nbsp;Production is generally about 10,000 million bushels per year, and domestic use between 8,000 and 9,000 million bushels per year. &nbsp; <p>
In 2006, the big users of corn were "Feed and residual use" at about 60% of domestic usage and "Fuel alcohol" (i.e., ethanol) at 22% of domestic usage (up from 9% in 2001). &nbsp;HFCS is only about 6% of domestic usage.

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				<p><strong>So much to say<p>A few observations and one fact check in a very long comment:<p>
Sen. Lugar (R-IN) is currently one of the main proponents big changes to farm subsidy programs (the "FARM 21" plan), and so Connor's history with Lugar is raising eyebrows in Congress. &nbsp;I would guess that his time at the Corn Refiners' Association has changed his mind about subsidies, and that for the most part he likes the system just fine. &nbsp;An <a href="http://thehill.com/the-executive/senators-praise-bushs-pick-to-succeed-mike-johanns-2007-09-21.html" rel="nofollow">article in the Hill points out that Connor is in favor of stricter income caps than Congress wants. That's probably OK with the corn industry because my recollection is that most of the wealthy recipients of subsidies are growing rice and cotton, not corn. &nbsp;The Hill article:<br>
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Although Connor is well-respected on the Hill, some lobbyists see his advocacy for limiting subsidy payments as a potential problem. The administration proposed that those with incomes above $200,000 should not be able to receive farm subsidies, a policy that would affect cotton and rice farmers in the South more than other producers. The current limit is $2.5 million.<p>
In February, Connor defended the proposal in an interview with The Associated Press. "I don't know if there is anywhere in the country you can go where $200,000 adjusted gross net income is not a lot of income," he said. <p>
[...]<p>
Previewing potential campaign arguments, Johanns came under criticism from some farm-state lawmakers on Wednesday when news of his imminent resignation floated. Conrad said should stay with USDA until work on the farm bill is completed. <p>
Some lobbyists, however, said privately that Johanns's absence would make little difference in the outcome of the farm bill. <br>
<p>
Via FarmPolicy.com, the <a href="http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070921/BUSINESS01/709210384/1029/BUSINESS" rel="nofollow">Des Moines Register has an article indicating that many of those hopes about ethanol being a savior for small rural communities and small farmers are probably going to be ill-advised:<br>
Early signs of a shakeout are rumbling through the ethanol industry, which will lead to more plants being owned by fewer and bigger investors, a leading biofuels venture capitalist said Thursday.<br>
<p>
I don't know where you got the statistic for this, but it seem wrong to me, about seven times too high: &nbsp;"Today, HFCS is the dominant sweetener in the U.S.; 42 percent of the corn grown here goes into making it." &nbsp;<a href="http://www.ers.usda.gov/data/feedgrains/standardreports/ybtable31.htm" rel="nofollow">Table 31 of the USDA Feed Grains Database Yearbook lists the quantity of corn used in HFCS manufacturing as about 525 million bushels per year between 2001 and 2005. &nbsp;Production is generally about 10,000 million bushels per year, and domestic use between 8,000 and 9,000 million bushels per year. &nbsp; <p>
In 2006, the big users of corn were "Feed and residual use" at about 60% of domestic usage and "Fuel alcohol" (i.e., ethanol) at 22% of domestic usage (up from 9% in 2001). &nbsp;HFCS is only about 6% of domestic usage.

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            <title>Comment #6 by Tom Philpott</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 05:58:45 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Good catch, Meander!<p>Thanks for catching that error. I wrote the bit on Conner two years ago; i have no idea how i got under the clearly erroneous impression that HFCS took 42 percent of corn. 

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				<p><strong>Good catch, Meander!<p>Thanks for catching that error. I wrote the bit on Conner two years ago; i have no idea how i got under the clearly erroneous impression that HFCS took 42 percent of corn. 

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