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            <title>Comment #1 by GreyFlcn</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:41:30 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>This is why</strong></p><p>This is why we need to focus more on "Climate Security" rather than "Energy Independance".</p><p>
Since Coal is an "Energy Independance" winner.<br>
But a "Climate Security" loser.</br></p>
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				<p><strong>This is why</strong></p><p>This is why we need to focus more on "Climate Security" rather than "Energy Independance".</p><p>
Since Coal is an "Energy Independance" winner.<br>
But a "Climate Security" loser.</br></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by ridgerunn</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:44:09 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Coal Truth on the Candidates<p>Searing oped on coal and the Demos at Huffington Post this morning:<p>
Coal Truth on the Candidates by Jeff Biggers. &nbsp;See:<p>
<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-biggers/the-coal-truth-on-candida_b_82269.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-biggers/the-coal-truth ...</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Coal Truth on the Candidates<p>Searing oped on coal and the Demos at Huffington Post this morning:<p>
Coal Truth on the Candidates by Jeff Biggers. &nbsp;See:<p>
<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-biggers/the-coal-truth-on-candida_b_82269.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-biggers/the-coal-truth ...</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by kenshin</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 04:42:50 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>i hate huffpo<p>YET AGAIN! Terrible reporting on John Edwards when it comes to the Huff Po. This has got to be the WORST news source ever! Why do i bother following these links to it?<p>
John Edwards' website has got the be the simplest, easiest and most comprehensive website to navigate in the history of elections! Please read here for the REST of Edwards' plans to meet our energy and global warming needs:<p>
<a href="http://www.johnedwards.com/issues/energy/new-energy-economy/" rel="nofollow">http://www.johnedwards.com/issues/energy/new-energy-econo ...<p>
just a little excerpt:<p>
Invest in Renewable Sources of Electricity: Renewable energy has been seen as socially desirable but costly. However, wind is already competitive with conventional sources in many markets. Solar could be competitive within three to eight years. [RAND, 2006; Economist, 3/10/2007]<p>
Open the Electricity Grids to Distributed and Renewable Generation: Traditionally, electricity has been produced at large, central power plants and transmitted through miles of power lines. Distributed generation of electricity promises reliable, clean, cost-effective production that is less vulnerable to natural disasters and attacks. Farms, factories, schools, and communities ought to be able to establish their own power sources and efficiency projects and compete with traditional plants to sell wholesale capacity, as New England has pioneered. [DOE, 2000; New England ISO, 2006]<p>
lots more, go read.</p></p></p></p></a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>i hate huffpo<p>YET AGAIN! Terrible reporting on John Edwards when it comes to the Huff Po. This has got to be the WORST news source ever! Why do i bother following these links to it?<p>
John Edwards' website has got the be the simplest, easiest and most comprehensive website to navigate in the history of elections! Please read here for the REST of Edwards' plans to meet our energy and global warming needs:<p>
<a href="http://www.johnedwards.com/issues/energy/new-energy-economy/" rel="nofollow">http://www.johnedwards.com/issues/energy/new-energy-econo ...<p>
just a little excerpt:<p>
Invest in Renewable Sources of Electricity: Renewable energy has been seen as socially desirable but costly. However, wind is already competitive with conventional sources in many markets. Solar could be competitive within three to eight years. [RAND, 2006; Economist, 3/10/2007]<p>
Open the Electricity Grids to Distributed and Renewable Generation: Traditionally, electricity has been produced at large, central power plants and transmitted through miles of power lines. Distributed generation of electricity promises reliable, clean, cost-effective production that is less vulnerable to natural disasters and attacks. Farms, factories, schools, and communities ought to be able to establish their own power sources and efficiency projects and compete with traditional plants to sell wholesale capacity, as New England has pioneered. [DOE, 2000; New England ISO, 2006]<p>
lots more, go read.</p></p></p></p></a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by enki</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 06:40:02 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>More Coal</strong></p><p>If they are so determined to go with coal then why not create the rather simple technology to produce coal/water Synfuel and run our vehicles and trains and planes on that? Cost is .27 cents per gallon as opposed to 3.19 a gallon and there is no highway use tax on Synfuel that I know of. </p><p>
It is true that the CO2 produced would be pretty much the same as with petroleum based fuels but at least we could end our dependence on oil forever. Then we can get rid of coal as a second step.... mwahahaha :D</p>
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				<p><strong>More Coal</strong></p><p>If they are so determined to go with coal then why not create the rather simple technology to produce coal/water Synfuel and run our vehicles and trains and planes on that? Cost is .27 cents per gallon as opposed to 3.19 a gallon and there is no highway use tax on Synfuel that I know of. </p><p>
It is true that the CO2 produced would be pretty much the same as with petroleum based fuels but at least we could end our dependence on oil forever. Then we can get rid of coal as a second step.... mwahahaha :D</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by christophersj</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:19:35 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Liquid Coal is not answer Mike</strong></p><p>Mike,</p><p>
You are talking about a liquid coal. &nbsp;A process, that, even with carbon capture, still creates MORE CO2 emissions than regular gasoline. &nbsp;Without CCS it creates over TWICE as much CO2 as petroleum gasoline.</p><p>
It is MUCH less effective for both energy independence AND reducing CO2. &nbsp; Using coal, with CCS, to make electricity for plug-in hybrids beats it by a mile.</p><p>
Liquid coal would be a disaster. &nbsp;It would be harmful for the country and the world.</p><p>
-Christopher</p>
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				<p><strong>Liquid Coal is not answer Mike</strong></p><p>Mike,</p><p>
You are talking about a liquid coal. &nbsp;A process, that, even with carbon capture, still creates MORE CO2 emissions than regular gasoline. &nbsp;Without CCS it creates over TWICE as much CO2 as petroleum gasoline.</p><p>
It is MUCH less effective for both energy independence AND reducing CO2. &nbsp; Using coal, with CCS, to make electricity for plug-in hybrids beats it by a mile.</p><p>
Liquid coal would be a disaster. &nbsp;It would be harmful for the country and the world.</p><p>
-Christopher</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by sfj4076</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:05:49 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Actually, liquid coal 'aint so bad (if done right)</strong></p><p>Christopher, actually some studies on CTL+CCS show a slight reduction in lifecycle CO2, but that is not the important point. </p><p>
The important point is that the same plants that are doing CTL+CCS can incorporate a biomass component in thier feedstock mix, as many players in the CTL space are now starting to do, and actually produce a fuels with a dramatic reduction in lifecycle CO2. This process is the only process I am aware of that is both commercially ready and technically capable of producing a fuels with a lifecycle neutral CO2 footprint. </p><p>
It is unfortuante that the NRDC and others continue to conspicuously omit this fact in thier discussion of coal-derived synthetic fuels. Seems kind of counter to thier supposed goal of driving implementation of large-scale fuels production with a reduced or neutral carbon footprint...</p><p>
They would much better serve thier mission if they were to call for responsible development practices, as opposed to distoring the truth via omission, to try and stop an emerging industry that has a realistic major piece of the solution to both our energy security AND our climate change problems. </p>
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				<p><strong>Actually, liquid coal 'aint so bad (if done right)</strong></p><p>Christopher, actually some studies on CTL+CCS show a slight reduction in lifecycle CO2, but that is not the important point. </p><p>
The important point is that the same plants that are doing CTL+CCS can incorporate a biomass component in thier feedstock mix, as many players in the CTL space are now starting to do, and actually produce a fuels with a dramatic reduction in lifecycle CO2. This process is the only process I am aware of that is both commercially ready and technically capable of producing a fuels with a lifecycle neutral CO2 footprint. </p><p>
It is unfortuante that the NRDC and others continue to conspicuously omit this fact in thier discussion of coal-derived synthetic fuels. Seems kind of counter to thier supposed goal of driving implementation of large-scale fuels production with a reduced or neutral carbon footprint...</p><p>
They would much better serve thier mission if they were to call for responsible development practices, as opposed to distoring the truth via omission, to try and stop an emerging industry that has a realistic major piece of the solution to both our energy security AND our climate change problems. </p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by btopro</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:38:49 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Move on to coal</strong></p><p>Move off of foreign oil. &nbsp;Get it locally, get (more) coal locally and use it (somehow) as fuel. &nbsp;This isn't what most people (here) are going to want to hear but if most of the government is trying to fix the environment over the next 50 years. &nbsp;We need to stabilize our economy before we are able to stabilize our ecology. &nbsp;Bring things in house, pull back from the world community a bit, get our house together and then worry about getting the larger house together. &nbsp;After we're able to stand on our own two legs we can start investing in ways to get ourselves off of the current "dirty" standards.</p>
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				<p><strong>Move on to coal</strong></p><p>Move off of foreign oil. &nbsp;Get it locally, get (more) coal locally and use it (somehow) as fuel. &nbsp;This isn't what most people (here) are going to want to hear but if most of the government is trying to fix the environment over the next 50 years. &nbsp;We need to stabilize our economy before we are able to stabilize our ecology. &nbsp;Bring things in house, pull back from the world community a bit, get our house together and then worry about getting the larger house together. &nbsp;After we're able to stand on our own two legs we can start investing in ways to get ourselves off of the current "dirty" standards.</p>
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