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            <title>Comment #1 by Erik Hoffner</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 03:14:01 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>sigh<p>I'm so sick of things like this. Please, let rbgh die, already...<p>
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				<p><strong>sigh<p>I'm so sick of things like this. Please, let rbgh die, already...<p>
Erik<br>


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            <title>Comment #2 by Tasermons Partner</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:03:38 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Tilapia?...</strong></p><p>...most people don't use those as food anymore. &nbsp;In fcat, I know several people who use the oil they secret as a bio-fuel.</p>
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				<p><strong>Tilapia?...</strong></p><p>...most people don't use those as food anymore. &nbsp;In fcat, I know several people who use the oil they secret as a bio-fuel.</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Tom Philpott</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:39:55 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Huh?<p>Puzzling comment, Tasermons. Tilapia hit a snag this year because of rising production costs and a report claiming it might not be very healthy, but U.S. tilapia imports &nbsp;in 2008 remain something like 50 percent higher than they were in 2004, the FAO reports. <a href="http://www.seafoodsource.com/NST-2-50075657/Tilapia-Continues-Consumption-Climb.aspx" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">http://www.seafoodsource.com/NST-2-50075657/Tilapia-Conti ...<p>
then there's this, from a seafood trade obsever in July: <a href="http://www.seafoodsource.com/NST-2-50075657/Tilapia-Continues-Consumption-Climb.aspx" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">http://www.seafoodsource.com/NST-2-50075657/Tilapia-Conti ...<br>
For evidence of [tilapia's] budding popularity, just look at the Top 10 consumption list of 2007, released yesterday by the National Fisheries Institute.<p>
Tilapia is quickly rising up the chart, fueled by consumer demand for healthful, mild whitefish. The farmed fish held on to the No. 5 spot this year at 1.142 pounds per capita (one notch ahead of catfish for the second straight year), a 14 percent gain. There's little reason to think No. 5 is the highest tilapia can climb.<p>
But to ascend another rung on the ladder, it'll have to overtake pollock, which registered 1.73 pounds per capita. Could 2008 be the year? The Alaska pollock quota was slashed by 28 percent to 1 million metric tons, which may allow tilapia to leapfrog yet another strong species. The top three--shrimp, canned tuna and salmon--will take a bit longer to reach, but don't rule it out.<p>
Tilapia is enjoying similar success globally. This could be a stunningly profitable market for rBGH. 

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				<p><strong>Huh?<p>Puzzling comment, Tasermons. Tilapia hit a snag this year because of rising production costs and a report claiming it might not be very healthy, but U.S. tilapia imports &nbsp;in 2008 remain something like 50 percent higher than they were in 2004, the FAO reports. <a href="http://www.seafoodsource.com/NST-2-50075657/Tilapia-Continues-Consumption-Climb.aspx" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">http://www.seafoodsource.com/NST-2-50075657/Tilapia-Conti ...<p>
then there's this, from a seafood trade obsever in July: <a href="http://www.seafoodsource.com/NST-2-50075657/Tilapia-Continues-Consumption-Climb.aspx" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">http://www.seafoodsource.com/NST-2-50075657/Tilapia-Conti ...<br>
For evidence of [tilapia's] budding popularity, just look at the Top 10 consumption list of 2007, released yesterday by the National Fisheries Institute.<p>
Tilapia is quickly rising up the chart, fueled by consumer demand for healthful, mild whitefish. The farmed fish held on to the No. 5 spot this year at 1.142 pounds per capita (one notch ahead of catfish for the second straight year), a 14 percent gain. There's little reason to think No. 5 is the highest tilapia can climb.<p>
But to ascend another rung on the ladder, it'll have to overtake pollock, which registered 1.73 pounds per capita. Could 2008 be the year? The Alaska pollock quota was slashed by 28 percent to 1 million metric tons, which may allow tilapia to leapfrog yet another strong species. The top three--shrimp, canned tuna and salmon--will take a bit longer to reach, but don't rule it out.<p>
Tilapia is enjoying similar success globally. This could be a stunningly profitable market for rBGH. 

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            <title>Comment #4 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:43:04 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Mmmmm</strong></p><p>That's good fish fry, I bet it makes tumors grow twice as fast too! &nbsp;And that benefits the healthcare industry. &nbsp;And the mortuary industry. </p><p>
Only prosperity hating, nature worshiping heathens could object to all that multi-faceted &nbsp;growth! &nbsp;Please quit whining and pass the rGBH tilapia.

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				<p><strong>Mmmmm</strong></p><p>That's good fish fry, I bet it makes tumors grow twice as fast too! &nbsp;And that benefits the healthcare industry. &nbsp;And the mortuary industry. </p><p>
Only prosperity hating, nature worshiping heathens could object to all that multi-faceted &nbsp;growth! &nbsp;Please quit whining and pass the rGBH tilapia.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog     John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by MrMean</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:53:56 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>New News?  Dateline 2003</strong></p><p>The Sea Grant story is from 2003. &nbsp;That snapshot is over 5 years old.</p>
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				<p><strong>New News?  Dateline 2003</strong></p><p>The Sea Grant story is from 2003. &nbsp;That snapshot is over 5 years old.</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:46:34 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Good Meanie</strong></p><p>That means that these fish are already busy growing the economy..and the tumors! &nbsp;That'll make you smile.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog     John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Good Meanie</strong></p><p>That means that these fish are already busy growing the economy..and the tumors! &nbsp;That'll make you smile.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog     John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by Tom Philpott</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 22:42:13 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Good quesion, Mr. Mean<p>I'm trying to figure out why Organic Consumers Association published this link on their news feed on Aug. 19 (Tuesday): <a href="http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_14189.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_14189.cf ...<br>
More info as I get it.

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				<p><strong>Good quesion, Mr. Mean<p>I'm trying to figure out why Organic Consumers Association published this link on their news feed on Aug. 19 (Tuesday): <a href="http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_14189.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_14189.cf ...<br>
More info as I get it.

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            <title>Comment #8 by wiscidea</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:24:45 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>But...</strong></p><p>Tom wrote...</p><p>
"Turns out that feeding genetically modified cow hormones to fish makes them grow really big, really fast: They balloon to "nearly twice the size of control fish in four weeks." The FDA has yet to approve rBGH as a fish feed."</p><p>
But I thought the rBGH pushers said there is no need to worry about rBGH affecting human health... recombinant proteins are degraded by the digestive system and inactivated.</p><p>
Hmmm... yet, someone can sprinkle the stuff on fish food, toss in the water, and the tilapia can consume it and then grow faster. Humans are not affected, but an organism more distant from us than a cow IS affected? Fascinating.</p><p>
So... rBGH manufacturers... are organisms NOT affected by consuming rBGH or is it a nifty new feed additive? If it shows up in cow milk re humans really NOT affected?</p>
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				<p><strong>But...</strong></p><p>Tom wrote...</p><p>
"Turns out that feeding genetically modified cow hormones to fish makes them grow really big, really fast: They balloon to "nearly twice the size of control fish in four weeks." The FDA has yet to approve rBGH as a fish feed."</p><p>
But I thought the rBGH pushers said there is no need to worry about rBGH affecting human health... recombinant proteins are degraded by the digestive system and inactivated.</p><p>
Hmmm... yet, someone can sprinkle the stuff on fish food, toss in the water, and the tilapia can consume it and then grow faster. Humans are not affected, but an organism more distant from us than a cow IS affected? Fascinating.</p><p>
So... rBGH manufacturers... are organisms NOT affected by consuming rBGH or is it a nifty new feed additive? If it shows up in cow milk re humans really NOT affected?</p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by JohnS</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:13:41 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>R bgh</strong></p><p>If it made it to the children in MILK, will it not get there in Fish? I guess that our kids do not eat fish ether.Gee I guess that I will have to be limited to only what I can grow myself to really be safe. But what will I use for fertilizer? Gee I wonder if the r bgh may get threw the cow if I use cow manure. I am glad all this is slow poison and don't hurt as it kills me. I wonder if I am the only one dieing or if even the politico's get theirs from the same farms? 

<p>I tried to contain my self but I escaped.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>R bgh</strong></p><p>If it made it to the children in MILK, will it not get there in Fish? I guess that our kids do not eat fish ether.Gee I guess that I will have to be limited to only what I can grow myself to really be safe. But what will I use for fertilizer? Gee I wonder if the r bgh may get threw the cow if I use cow manure. I am glad all this is slow poison and don't hurt as it kills me. I wonder if I am the only one dieing or if even the politico's get theirs from the same farms? 

<p>I tried to contain my self but I escaped.</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by Tasermons Partner</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:15:46 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Ah...</strong></p><p>...good point <strong>Tom</strong>, but please take note that those figures are for per capita, and not total amount. &nbsp;It quickly drops lower in that category.</p><p>
Plus notice it doesn't specify the use of the Tilapia. &nbsp;I know several people who use it as a bio-fuel, not as a food source. &nbsp;I don't know what percentage of the ovarall industry does that, but it could have an impact on those figures.</p><p>
I've also heard that some fish farms actually use 'em as feed for other fish, so a marked increase could just represent a marked increase in use as feed for other fish (not that the concept would be a good thing either...)</p>
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				<p><strong>Ah...</strong></p><p>...good point <strong>Tom</strong>, but please take note that those figures are for per capita, and not total amount. &nbsp;It quickly drops lower in that category.</p><p>
Plus notice it doesn't specify the use of the Tilapia. &nbsp;I know several people who use it as a bio-fuel, not as a food source. &nbsp;I don't know what percentage of the ovarall industry does that, but it could have an impact on those figures.</p><p>
I've also heard that some fish farms actually use 'em as feed for other fish, so a marked increase could just represent a marked increase in use as feed for other fish (not that the concept would be a good thing either...)</p>
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            <title>Comment #11 by Wolverine</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:01:08 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Use Of Tilapia</strong></p><p>Taser,</p><p>
Tilapia is quite popular in restaurants here in the San Francisco Bay Area. &nbsp;Can't speak for the rest of the country, but it's very common on menus here.</p>
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				<p><strong>Use Of Tilapia</strong></p><p>Taser,</p><p>
Tilapia is quite popular in restaurants here in the San Francisco Bay Area. &nbsp;Can't speak for the rest of the country, but it's very common on menus here.</p>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:55:21 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Paul Roberts on CAFOs<p>This is not on rBGH, but it is part of the same big picture: an op-ed in Saturday's LA Times, by Paul Roberts, author of "The End of Food":<p>
<a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-roberts23-2008aug23,0,1032529.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-roberts23-2008a ....<p>
Thanks to Karen Dawn, of DawnWatch.com, for alerting her mailing list.

<p>Chickens deserve our true friendship!  So do fish!  So do other sentient beings!  Let us learn to be kind.</p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Paul Roberts on CAFOs<p>This is not on rBGH, but it is part of the same big picture: an op-ed in Saturday's LA Times, by Paul Roberts, author of "The End of Food":<p>
<a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-roberts23-2008aug23,0,1032529.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-roberts23-2008a ....<p>
Thanks to Karen Dawn, of DawnWatch.com, for alerting her mailing list.

<p>Chickens deserve our true friendship!  So do fish!  So do other sentient beings!  Let us learn to be kind.</p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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