<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for John McCain avoids using the word ‘mandatory’ when discussing cap-and-trade]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by odograph http://www.grist.org/article/a-compulsive-nontruth-teller/ Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:15:17 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/a-compulsive-nontruth-teller/1 "and trade"

It is arguably true that a cap and trade system is different from a "cap" system.  Yes, in both cases the cap is mandatory, but in the "and trade" version some operators have the option of buying additional credits from more efficient players.

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It is arguably true that a cap and trade system is different from a "cap" system.  Yes, in both cases the cap is mandatory, but in the "and trade" version some operators have the option of buying additional credits from more efficient players.

]]> Comment #2 by caniscandida http://www.grist.org/article/a-compulsive-nontruth-teller/ Fri, 15 Feb 2008 01:45:33 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/a-compulsive-nontruth-teller/2 troubles ahead

McCain's avoidance of "mandatory" also indicates that the word already has a strong negative connotation in the pro-business, anti-regulation wing of the Republican base.

Therefore, in November we may need to put not only a Democrat in the White House, but also a 60-plus majority in the Senate.

Unless of course it is Obama who wins the White House, in which case we do not have to worry, he will be able to get everybody to act postpartisanly regardless of what their irrelevant old parties are.

Chickens are our cousins! So are fish! So are other sentient animals! Let us learn to be kind.

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McCain's avoidance of "mandatory" also indicates that the word already has a strong negative connotation in the pro-business, anti-regulation wing of the Republican base.

Therefore, in November we may need to put not only a Democrat in the White House, but also a 60-plus majority in the Senate.

Unless of course it is Obama who wins the White House, in which case we do not have to worry, he will be able to get everybody to act postpartisanly regardless of what their irrelevant old parties are.

Chickens are our cousins! So are fish! So are other sentient animals! Let us learn to be kind.

]]> Comment #3 by Delay And Deny http://www.grist.org/article/a-compulsive-nontruth-teller/ Fri, 15 Feb 2008 02:14:40 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/a-compulsive-nontruth-teller/3 You Can't Handle The Truth


The bottom line is that until the mass hysteria whipped up by Al Gore dies down, Moderates will have to make up lukewarm support for some fallacious policy.

Maybe by 2009 things will get back to normal once it's discovered that GW is totally naturogenic.


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The bottom line is that until the mass hysteria whipped up by Al Gore dies down, Moderates will have to make up lukewarm support for some fallacious policy.

Maybe by 2009 things will get back to normal once it's discovered that GW is totally naturogenic.


]]> Comment #4 by Biodiversivist http://www.grist.org/article/a-compulsive-nontruth-teller/ Fri, 15 Feb 2008 02:41:32 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/a-compulsive-nontruth-teller/4 Politician and liar should be synonyms.

Of course some politicians are better liars than others.

More on the subject from the one of the wisest men to ever walk the face of this planet:

http://www.twainquotes.com/Lies.html

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world

]]> Politician and liar should be synonyms.

Of course some politicians are better liars than others.

More on the subject from the one of the wisest men to ever walk the face of this planet:

http://www.twainquotes.com/Lies.html

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world

]]> Comment #5 by odograph http://www.grist.org/article/a-compulsive-nontruth-teller/ Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:06:00 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/a-compulsive-nontruth-teller/5 mandatory

EnvEcon has a more painful reason why a cap and trade might not be "mandatory":

In his annual "state of the industry" speech yesterday to Wall Street, Thomas Kuhn, president of the Edison Electric Institute, the utility industry's lobby, stressed the need for any emissions cap to be, as he put it, "realistic."

Among other things, in deciding under a cap how to distribute emission "allowances" to utilities, the government should put an "upper limit on the price" of those allowances, he said. In other words, even if the government requires utilities to pay for some of their emission allowances rather than handing them all out for free, the government should make sure those permits don't get too expensive.

How do you like those apples?

A cap and trade that makes sure everyone can keep on consuming that energy!

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EnvEcon has a more painful reason why a cap and trade might not be "mandatory":

In his annual "state of the industry" speech yesterday to Wall Street, Thomas Kuhn, president of the Edison Electric Institute, the utility industry's lobby, stressed the need for any emissions cap to be, as he put it, "realistic."

Among other things, in deciding under a cap how to distribute emission "allowances" to utilities, the government should put an "upper limit on the price" of those allowances, he said. In other words, even if the government requires utilities to pay for some of their emission allowances rather than handing them all out for free, the government should make sure those permits don't get too expensive.

How do you like those apples?

A cap and trade that makes sure everyone can keep on consuming that energy!

]]> Comment #6 by dayla2000 http://www.grist.org/article/a-compulsive-nontruth-teller/ Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:17:25 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/a-compulsive-nontruth-teller/6 Double-talk extrordinare

John McCain is well experienced at using both sides of his mouth. I'm glad it's now easier to see what politicians say to their audiences- the days when saying the 'right thing' to each group and doing all the wrong things by all of them are over!

For a sampling of McCain vs. McCain, watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI

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John McCain is well experienced at using both sides of his mouth. I'm glad it's now easier to see what politicians say to their audiences- the days when saying the 'right thing' to each group and doing all the wrong things by all of them are over!

For a sampling of McCain vs. McCain, watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI

]]> Comment #7 by caniscandida http://www.grist.org/article/a-compulsive-nontruth-teller/ Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:25:07 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/a-compulsive-nontruth-teller/7 Nicholas Kristof

On the other hand, note Nicholas Kristof's considered opinion, that John McCain is a failure at trying to get away with a lie, and that his very being reacts visibly viscerally badly to disgraceful attempts at pandering:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/17/opinion/17kristof.html.

I agree with Kristof, that McCain's opinions on just about everything important are objectionable.  And I might add that by many accounts, McCain seems to have been a really obnoxious punk back in school, several decades ago.  But I also agree with Kristof, sort of, that McCain's inward dedication to telling the truth will make itself manifest, somehow, eventually.

And probably that is a deeply felt authority issue with him, going back to his youthful punkishness.  When he tries to pander, for example by suppressing "mandatory," he will not get away with it, and he knows it, and he will be his own worst accuser.

Chickens are our cousins! So are fish! So are other sentient animals! Let us learn to be kind.

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On the other hand, note Nicholas Kristof's considered opinion, that John McCain is a failure at trying to get away with a lie, and that his very being reacts visibly viscerally badly to disgraceful attempts at pandering:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/17/opinion/17kristof.html.

I agree with Kristof, that McCain's opinions on just about everything important are objectionable.  And I might add that by many accounts, McCain seems to have been a really obnoxious punk back in school, several decades ago.  But I also agree with Kristof, sort of, that McCain's inward dedication to telling the truth will make itself manifest, somehow, eventually.

And probably that is a deeply felt authority issue with him, going back to his youthful punkishness.  When he tries to pander, for example by suppressing "mandatory," he will not get away with it, and he knows it, and he will be his own worst accuser.

Chickens are our cousins! So are fish! So are other sentient animals! Let us learn to be kind.

]]> Comment #8 by GreyFlcn http://www.grist.org/article/a-compulsive-nontruth-teller/ Tue, 02 Sep 2008 08:01:34 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/a-compulsive-nontruth-teller/8 Hey Romm

Check this out from the AP.


Party Platform, McCain Differ on Immigration, Climate
McCain has said addressing climate change would be a top priority if he's elected. He backs mandatory limits on greenhouse-gas emissions and a cap-and-trade system to help bring that about.

http://news.yahoo.com/story//bloomberg/20080827/pl_bloomb ...

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Smell like BS, huh?

-David Ahlport



]]> Hey Romm

Check this out from the AP.


Party Platform, McCain Differ on Immigration, Climate
McCain has said addressing climate change would be a top priority if he's elected. He backs mandatory limits on greenhouse-gas emissions and a cap-and-trade system to help bring that about.

http://news.yahoo.com/story//bloomberg/20080827/pl_bloomb ...

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Smell like BS, huh?

-David Ahlport



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