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            <title>Comment #1 by stopgreenpath</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/The-first-step-toward-recovery/</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 06:11:37 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>another Big Energy Boondoggle</strong></p><p>too bad nobody was able to show Obama how the BEST way to prop up property values, rapidly scale renewable energy, reduce GHGs, create local jobs, and build an income stream for the middle class is a nationwide renewable energy loan and feed in tariff program so that ALL OF US could install PV and microwind on our properties and be paid for power we produce and do not consume.</p><p>
it's cheaper, MUCH better for the environment, democratic, and a GREAT investment for all of us who lost 40% of our nut last year. &nbsp;not to mention that it's proven to work fantastically (40 nations already out ahead of us on this), and has also proven to be the most effective incentive for energy conservation.</p><p>
but no. &nbsp;Big Energy is gonna get millions of acres of functioning ecosystem that is owned by us, and not only be allowed, but be encouraged to permanently destroy it to re-entrench their monopolies. &nbsp;and the worst part? &nbsp;WE have to pay for it, not Big Energy!!! &nbsp;So we are literally, digging our own environmental and economic graves by being forced to pay for monopolistic energy infrastructure that is harmful to us and the planet.</p><p>
meet the new boss (Big Renewables). &nbsp;same as the old boss (Big Fossils). &nbsp;and what's even worse? &nbsp;it's being greenwashed by sellouts calling themselves "environmentalists." &nbsp;the planet and ratepayers are still stuck at the bottom of their pyramid scheme, totally exploited for private profits. &nbsp;disgusting.

<p>the greenest energy is that which you needn't ever produce.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>another Big Energy Boondoggle</strong></p><p>too bad nobody was able to show Obama how the BEST way to prop up property values, rapidly scale renewable energy, reduce GHGs, create local jobs, and build an income stream for the middle class is a nationwide renewable energy loan and feed in tariff program so that ALL OF US could install PV and microwind on our properties and be paid for power we produce and do not consume.</p><p>
it's cheaper, MUCH better for the environment, democratic, and a GREAT investment for all of us who lost 40% of our nut last year. &nbsp;not to mention that it's proven to work fantastically (40 nations already out ahead of us on this), and has also proven to be the most effective incentive for energy conservation.</p><p>
but no. &nbsp;Big Energy is gonna get millions of acres of functioning ecosystem that is owned by us, and not only be allowed, but be encouraged to permanently destroy it to re-entrench their monopolies. &nbsp;and the worst part? &nbsp;WE have to pay for it, not Big Energy!!! &nbsp;So we are literally, digging our own environmental and economic graves by being forced to pay for monopolistic energy infrastructure that is harmful to us and the planet.</p><p>
meet the new boss (Big Renewables). &nbsp;same as the old boss (Big Fossils). &nbsp;and what's even worse? &nbsp;it's being greenwashed by sellouts calling themselves "environmentalists." &nbsp;the planet and ratepayers are still stuck at the bottom of their pyramid scheme, totally exploited for private profits. &nbsp;disgusting.

<p>the greenest energy is that which you needn't ever produce.</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by GreyFlcn</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/The-first-step-toward-recovery/</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 09:53:23 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>re: stopgreenpath</strong></p><p>Would you please quit with that bullshit.</p><p>
Net Metered Solar Panels need a Grid just as much as anything else does.</p><p>
Whining and moaning and saying how they magically DON'T is just dishonest, and annoying.</p><p>
_</p><p>
Either give us a REAL solution, or shut up.

<p>-David Ahlport</p></p>
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				<p><strong>re: stopgreenpath</strong></p><p>Would you please quit with that bullshit.</p><p>
Net Metered Solar Panels need a Grid just as much as anything else does.</p><p>
Whining and moaning and saying how they magically DON'T is just dishonest, and annoying.</p><p>
_</p><p>
Either give us a REAL solution, or shut up.

<p>-David Ahlport</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by MikeH</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/The-first-step-toward-recovery/</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 06:48:37 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Totally Agree</strong></p><p>While I'm all for a nationwide net metering law, thinking it will solve our energy problems shows a tenuous grip on reality at best. &nbsp;Wind power is vastly more economical at utility scales, and planting a wind turbine in a wheat field or pasture hardly qualifies as "destroying the wilderness". &nbsp;Likewise, photovoltaics are not even in the same efficiency league as thermal solar, which doesn't scale down to household installations very well, at least for electricity production. &nbsp;Finally, tens of millions of Americans live in urban settings. &nbsp;Where is someone who lives in an apartment in Manhattan supposed to install their solar panels?</p><p>
This vitroilic rant against the best energy plan we've ever had seems both misplaced and counterproductive.<br>
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				<p><strong>Totally Agree</strong></p><p>While I'm all for a nationwide net metering law, thinking it will solve our energy problems shows a tenuous grip on reality at best. &nbsp;Wind power is vastly more economical at utility scales, and planting a wind turbine in a wheat field or pasture hardly qualifies as "destroying the wilderness". &nbsp;Likewise, photovoltaics are not even in the same efficiency league as thermal solar, which doesn't scale down to household installations very well, at least for electricity production. &nbsp;Finally, tens of millions of Americans live in urban settings. &nbsp;Where is someone who lives in an apartment in Manhattan supposed to install their solar panels?</p><p>
This vitroilic rant against the best energy plan we've ever had seems both misplaced and counterproductive.<br>
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