<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for <em>NYT</em> breaks story on CO2 regulations ... after two years of Grist coverage]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by Ted Clayton http://www.grist.org/article/Note-to-world-Check-out-independent-media-some-time-its-pretty-cool/ Thu, 19 Feb 2009 06:40:56 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Note-to-world-Check-out-independent-media-some-time-its-pretty-cool/1 "Hey Vince! ... "

There is an old cartoon 'out there', which I suspect picks up on & repackages an earlier (itself uncited..) theme.

In the cartoon, Vincent van Gogh is trundling along a pastoral lane with all his painting paraphernalia  gathered about himself.  He has encountered an ordinary clod-hopper peasant, whom we can tell is actually an intelligent & engaged person.

The peasant is saying, "Hey Vince!  Up the road ... the field on the right, freshly plowed ... the black velvet ... furrows marching into perspective ... the play of light ...".  The light is slowly coming on for Vince.

I saw & read Kate's entry, then I saw & read your follow-up analysis.  Both scooped the 'big boys'.  Nice to have proof & affirmation, huh?

I did not chime in on these posts because a.) you have both done a lot more backgrounding for this story than ... not only I have, but that I have the resources to do, and b.) because I have the sense that this is the opening pages of a 'novel' that actually will be 'written as we go'.  In between those 2 side-rails, EPA-ese is a daunting massif to approach, just on general principles.

I am happy to see the confirmation that 'messing around on blogs' is really the sharper & leading source to give one's attention.

Congratulations!

]]> "Hey Vince! ... "

There is an old cartoon 'out there', which I suspect picks up on & repackages an earlier (itself uncited..) theme.

In the cartoon, Vincent van Gogh is trundling along a pastoral lane with all his painting paraphernalia  gathered about himself.  He has encountered an ordinary clod-hopper peasant, whom we can tell is actually an intelligent & engaged person.

The peasant is saying, "Hey Vince!  Up the road ... the field on the right, freshly plowed ... the black velvet ... furrows marching into perspective ... the play of light ...".  The light is slowly coming on for Vince.

I saw & read Kate's entry, then I saw & read your follow-up analysis.  Both scooped the 'big boys'.  Nice to have proof & affirmation, huh?

I did not chime in on these posts because a.) you have both done a lot more backgrounding for this story than ... not only I have, but that I have the resources to do, and b.) because I have the sense that this is the opening pages of a 'novel' that actually will be 'written as we go'.  In between those 2 side-rails, EPA-ese is a daunting massif to approach, just on general principles.

I am happy to see the confirmation that 'messing around on blogs' is really the sharper & leading source to give one's attention.

Congratulations!

]]> Comment #2 by Bart Anderson http://www.grist.org/article/Note-to-world-Check-out-independent-media-some-time-its-pretty-cool/ Thu, 19 Feb 2009 07:32:46 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Note-to-world-Check-out-independent-media-some-time-its-pretty-cool/2 Yes, but

Yes, Dave, but now it's *RESPECTABLE* !

(Good work, the message is now in the mainstream.)

Bart
Energy Bulletin

]]> Yes, but

Yes, Dave, but now it's *RESPECTABLE* !

(Good work, the message is now in the mainstream.)

Bart
Energy Bulletin

]]> Comment #3 by christophersj http://www.grist.org/article/Note-to-world-Check-out-independent-media-some-time-its-pretty-cool/ Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:47:12 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Note-to-world-Check-out-independent-media-some-time-its-pretty-cool/3 Oh

Oh, I guess my deleted post means that I did misinterpret the novelty of the NYTimes article?  OK.

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Oh, I guess my deleted post means that I did misinterpret the novelty of the NYTimes article?  OK.

]]> Comment #4 by David Roberts http://www.grist.org/article/Note-to-world-Check-out-independent-media-some-time-its-pretty-cool/ Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:00:21 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Note-to-world-Check-out-independent-media-some-time-its-pretty-cool/4 What deleted post?

grist.org

]]> What deleted post?

grist.org

]]> Comment #5 by amazingdrx http://www.grist.org/article/Note-to-world-Check-out-independent-media-some-time-its-pretty-cool/ Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:21:22 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Note-to-world-Check-out-independent-media-some-time-its-pretty-cool/5 Copy before you hit post Chris

Internet glitches have eaten some of my finest wisdom, hehey.  

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin

]]> Copy before you hit post Chris

Internet glitches have eaten some of my finest wisdom, hehey.  

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin

]]> Comment #6 by christophersj http://www.grist.org/article/Note-to-world-Check-out-independent-media-some-time-its-pretty-cool/ Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:24:36 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Note-to-world-Check-out-independent-media-some-time-its-pretty-cool/6 Post

Its entirely possible that I had a bad connection on this end and it just didnt go through.

I was postulating that there may still have been something newsworthy that the NYTimes article added to your already strong reporting.

I was thinking that the Jackson interview, and the White House supportive statements, had a much more formal sounding tone to it:  indicating that it was no longer just a "idea" that they might go forward with this, but that it was a sure thing -- formally.

But I defer to you on this because I'm being bad and working/reading/posting all at the same time. :-)

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Its entirely possible that I had a bad connection on this end and it just didnt go through.

I was postulating that there may still have been something newsworthy that the NYTimes article added to your already strong reporting.

I was thinking that the Jackson interview, and the White House supportive statements, had a much more formal sounding tone to it:  indicating that it was no longer just a "idea" that they might go forward with this, but that it was a sure thing -- formally.

But I defer to you on this because I'm being bad and working/reading/posting all at the same time. :-)

]]> Comment #7 by amazingdrx http://www.grist.org/article/Note-to-world-Check-out-independent-media-some-time-its-pretty-cool/ Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:25:32 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Note-to-world-Check-out-independent-media-some-time-its-pretty-cool/7 Yeah well

You know the Wright brothers story right DR?  The NYT took four years to report their successful flight.  That's good company!  Wilbur and Orville.

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin

]]> Yeah well

You know the Wright brothers story right DR?  The NYT took four years to report their successful flight.  That's good company!  Wilbur and Orville.

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin

]]> Comment #8 by christophersj http://www.grist.org/article/Note-to-world-Check-out-independent-media-some-time-its-pretty-cool/ Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:32:42 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Note-to-world-Check-out-independent-media-some-time-its-pretty-cool/8 Dick Cheney

I wonder if Cheney is reading it.

]]> Dick Cheney

I wonder if Cheney is reading it.

]]> Comment #9 by ids http://www.grist.org/article/Note-to-world-Check-out-independent-media-some-time-its-pretty-cool/ Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:25:22 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Note-to-world-Check-out-independent-media-some-time-its-pretty-cool/9 bfd

Obama pledges to look at a policy!  Seems like slow news day.  Maybe they don't have the boner for Barack y'all do.

]]> bfd

Obama pledges to look at a policy!  Seems like slow news day.  Maybe they don't have the boner for Barack y'all do.

]]> Comment #10 by JMG http://www.grist.org/article/Note-to-world-Check-out-independent-media-some-time-its-pretty-cool/ Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:06:36 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Note-to-world-Check-out-independent-media-some-time-its-pretty-cool/10 Isn't NYT indy?

I was wondering about the term "independent" media.  It seems like Grist and the NY Times have pretty much the same funding model -- ads and money from subscribers/donors while the content is given away free on line.  

As far as I know, the Grey Lady is as "independent" as any media outlet is --- probably more than many.  

What does the term "independent" signify here?

The 5% Project Let's live on the planet as if we intend to stay.

]]> Isn't NYT indy?

I was wondering about the term "independent" media.  It seems like Grist and the NY Times have pretty much the same funding model -- ads and money from subscribers/donors while the content is given away free on line.  

As far as I know, the Grey Lady is as "independent" as any media outlet is --- probably more than many.  

What does the term "independent" signify here?

The 5% Project Let's live on the planet as if we intend to stay.

]]> Comment #11 by archigeek http://www.grist.org/article/Note-to-world-Check-out-independent-media-some-time-its-pretty-cool/ Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:06:47 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Note-to-world-Check-out-independent-media-some-time-its-pretty-cool/11 Hmm,

Well, Grist isn't owned by General Electric, fer instance.

The mellotron is your friend.

]]> Hmm,

Well, Grist isn't owned by General Electric, fer instance.

The mellotron is your friend.

]]> Comment #12 by amazingdrx http://www.grist.org/article/Note-to-world-Check-out-independent-media-some-time-its-pretty-cool/ Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:31:01 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Note-to-world-Check-out-independent-media-some-time-its-pretty-cool/12 Information is grist for the progressive mill

Before Grist I would look in the NYT first, now I quickly zoom to the latest eco-news months or years before the times features it.

A huge increase in basic intellectual productivity, that's got to be good for everything.

Think about it.  What if news producers had Grist on their screens instead of Drudge?

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin

]]> Information is grist for the progressive mill

Before Grist I would look in the NYT first, now I quickly zoom to the latest eco-news months or years before the times features it.

A huge increase in basic intellectual productivity, that's got to be good for everything.

Think about it.  What if news producers had Grist on their screens instead of Drudge?

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin

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