<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for New study: Efficiency investment better for Virginia economy and ratepayers than coal plant]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by Pangolin http://www.grist.org/article/Meddling-environmentalists-try-to-save-people-money/ Sat, 10 Jan 2009 04:19:58 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Meddling-environmentalists-try-to-save-people-money/1 Who knew?

Oh yeah, we did.

I like the line about how being denied the right to pollute the air is theft though. If you're going to tell a lie why not make it a whopper.

Put the Carbon Back

]]> Who knew?

Oh yeah, we did.

I like the line about how being denied the right to pollute the air is theft though. If you're going to tell a lie why not make it a whopper.

Put the Carbon Back

]]> Comment #2 by Peter B. Meyer http://www.grist.org/article/Meddling-environmentalists-try-to-save-people-money/ Sat, 10 Jan 2009 23:23:24 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Meddling-environmentalists-try-to-save-people-money/2 Under Pure Capitalism, it IS Theft

That is the correct label for a government intervention that lowers the sales and profits of a private firm, given the strict ideology.

There is also no country in the world that has even operated under pure capitalism (Even the US in the pre-financial collapse Bush II years failed by a long shot.)

This sort of finding is not particularly news and has been uncovered time and again in work by organizations such as the American Council for an Energy Efficient Economy and even yours truly, looking at Kentucky.

What's different here - and it's happening with increrasing frequency - is that the report is by an "objective" source, one that does not have any sort of environmental axe to grind.

But there's another point to be made: the estimates on cost savings for the 2012-2025 period show a pretty narrow range. That's not enough to account for a rise in the price of coal comparable to what we've seen in the past few years. So the estimate is effectively assuming a constant price!

Then, when you look at the cost savings estimated with and without cap & trade, you see that the numbers imply the assumption that C&T will roughly double the cost of coal-fired power. I want to do some digging to see where this assumption comes from ... as well as the assumption about additional jobs associated with having C&T (which makes no sense to me).

Still, nice to see "objectivity" on the right side.

]]> Under Pure Capitalism, it IS Theft

That is the correct label for a government intervention that lowers the sales and profits of a private firm, given the strict ideology.

There is also no country in the world that has even operated under pure capitalism (Even the US in the pre-financial collapse Bush II years failed by a long shot.)

This sort of finding is not particularly news and has been uncovered time and again in work by organizations such as the American Council for an Energy Efficient Economy and even yours truly, looking at Kentucky.

What's different here - and it's happening with increrasing frequency - is that the report is by an "objective" source, one that does not have any sort of environmental axe to grind.

But there's another point to be made: the estimates on cost savings for the 2012-2025 period show a pretty narrow range. That's not enough to account for a rise in the price of coal comparable to what we've seen in the past few years. So the estimate is effectively assuming a constant price!

Then, when you look at the cost savings estimated with and without cap & trade, you see that the numbers imply the assumption that C&T will roughly double the cost of coal-fired power. I want to do some digging to see where this assumption comes from ... as well as the assumption about additional jobs associated with having C&T (which makes no sense to me).

Still, nice to see "objectivity" on the right side.

]]> Comment #3 by Jadon H http://www.grist.org/article/Meddling-environmentalists-try-to-save-people-money/ Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:17:29 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Meddling-environmentalists-try-to-save-people-money/3 RE:Meddling environmentalists try to save people m

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Recession affects everyone. Wherever we go, we are triggered by the news on the current economic situation. From volatile stock market to rising food prices, forcing us to use resources such as a payday loan just to make it through. I found a very interesting article on the payday loan blog at PersonalMoneyStore.com explaining how to save on your biggest monthly household expense, your food bill! It includes interesting topics such as buying in bulk, shopping off a planned list and then only once a month, comparison shopping, and weekly advertisements. You can read more on this article on the http://personalmoneystore.com/moneyblog/2009/01/05/grocer ...

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