<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for In Oregon, bicyclists want to roll through traffic-free stop signs]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by David Roberts http://www.grist.org/article/Let-cyclists-roll/ Fri, 16 Jan 2009 00:35:42 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Let-cyclists-roll/1 As a gesture of support for this policy ...

... I have been living by it for over 30 years now.

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]]> As a gesture of support for this policy ...

... I have been living by it for over 30 years now.

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]]> Comment #2 by archigeek http://www.grist.org/article/Let-cyclists-roll/ Fri, 16 Jan 2009 02:31:28 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Let-cyclists-roll/2 Ha...

There are so many unnecessary, citizen-requested, alderman-approved stop-signs in the City of St. Louis, it would be absurd to stop at, on some streets, EVERY SINGLE CORNER. "But, oh, we need a sign on our corner to stop all the speeders." Stupid twits don't realise that the "speeders" don't recognise any of the OTHER signs, either. Morons. Yet there are more signs put up every day. Ya' see, it's pretty much the only way an alderman can make themselves look like they're doing something constructive. "Look busy, a chum- er, citizen is coming this way."

The mellotron is your friend.

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There are so many unnecessary, citizen-requested, alderman-approved stop-signs in the City of St. Louis, it would be absurd to stop at, on some streets, EVERY SINGLE CORNER. "But, oh, we need a sign on our corner to stop all the speeders." Stupid twits don't realise that the "speeders" don't recognise any of the OTHER signs, either. Morons. Yet there are more signs put up every day. Ya' see, it's pretty much the only way an alderman can make themselves look like they're doing something constructive. "Look busy, a chum- er, citizen is coming this way."

The mellotron is your friend.

]]> Comment #3 by Wilderness Terry http://www.grist.org/article/Let-cyclists-roll/ Fri, 16 Jan 2009 02:37:18 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Let-cyclists-roll/3 C'mon

Really, so many cyclists run red lights and stop signs already that it's difficult for drivers to know how to treat them safely.

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Really, so many cyclists run red lights and stop signs already that it's difficult for drivers to know how to treat them safely.

]]> Comment #4 by racc http://www.grist.org/article/Let-cyclists-roll/ Fri, 16 Jan 2009 02:52:25 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Let-cyclists-roll/4 A Good Idea

This is how cyclists already ride. It is perfectly safe as long as people look for traffic and stop if needed.

On another cycling note, we need massive investment in cycling paths and cycle tracks to make up for the lack of invesetment over the last 100 years.

change.gov, Obama's site is asking for ideas from people. Check it out and support Billions for Bikes:
http://citizensbriefingbook.change.gov/ideas/viewIdea.ape ...

There is also a lot of support for transit and high-speed rail there.

It is not about us, it is about everyone. http://www.everyoneforever.org/


]]> A Good Idea

This is how cyclists already ride. It is perfectly safe as long as people look for traffic and stop if needed.

On another cycling note, we need massive investment in cycling paths and cycle tracks to make up for the lack of invesetment over the last 100 years.

change.gov, Obama's site is asking for ideas from people. Check it out and support Billions for Bikes:
http://citizensbriefingbook.change.gov/ideas/viewIdea.ape ...

There is also a lot of support for transit and high-speed rail there.

It is not about us, it is about everyone. http://www.everyoneforever.org/


]]> Comment #5 by JMG http://www.grist.org/article/Let-cyclists-roll/ Fri, 16 Jan 2009 03:52:15 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Let-cyclists-roll/5 Montana too

http://is.gd/g8PN

The 5% Project Let's live on the planet as if we intend to stay.

]]> Montana too

http://is.gd/g8PN

The 5% Project Let's live on the planet as if we intend to stay.

]]> Comment #6 by biodiversivist http://www.grist.org/article/Let-cyclists-roll/ Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:04:19 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Let-cyclists-roll/6 Got a ticket once for riding my bike through

a stop sign. I was going downhill, riding with no hands, and blew through the intersection right in front of a cop. I earned that one.

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world

]]> Got a ticket once for riding my bike through

a stop sign. I was going downhill, riding with no hands, and blew through the intersection right in front of a cop. I earned that one.

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world

]]> Comment #7 by JMG http://www.grist.org/article/Let-cyclists-roll/ Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:34:59 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Let-cyclists-roll/7 Don't conflate the two

The problem we have getting this idea through is that a bicyclist slowing, looking, and rolling through has nothing to do with blowing through, but carheads think of the latter whenever we try to discuss the former ...

It's a problem.

The 5% Project Let's live on the planet as if we intend to stay.

]]> Don't conflate the two

The problem we have getting this idea through is that a bicyclist slowing, looking, and rolling through has nothing to do with blowing through, but carheads think of the latter whenever we try to discuss the former ...

It's a problem.

The 5% Project Let's live on the planet as if we intend to stay.

]]> Comment #8 by amazingdrx http://www.grist.org/article/Let-cyclists-roll/ Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:04:23 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Let-cyclists-roll/8 Safety

It's not so much convenience as it is safety at issue here.  

It strikes me yet again that if the same weight of material in a bicycle frame were spread in an aerodynamic egg configuration, with carbon fiber and clear polycarbonate extended around the biker, the bike would be the same weight, but the rider would be a lot safer.

Take a chance on encouraging people to run a stop sign on a regular bike, by making it legal?  Without safer bikes it would be a killer idea.

Metal bike frame, meet high tech bubble "egg" shaped bike frame.  Your replacement.

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin

]]> Safety

It's not so much convenience as it is safety at issue here.  

It strikes me yet again that if the same weight of material in a bicycle frame were spread in an aerodynamic egg configuration, with carbon fiber and clear polycarbonate extended around the biker, the bike would be the same weight, but the rider would be a lot safer.

Take a chance on encouraging people to run a stop sign on a regular bike, by making it legal?  Without safer bikes it would be a killer idea.

Metal bike frame, meet high tech bubble "egg" shaped bike frame.  Your replacement.

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin

]]> Comment #9 by biodiversivist http://www.grist.org/article/Let-cyclists-roll/ Fri, 16 Jan 2009 11:27:05 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Let-cyclists-roll/9 I don't know any bike riders who actually come

to a complete stop at stop signs. As a bicyclist you are moving slow and have little mass and therefore can't hurt other people sitting in cars. Changing the law would at least make it legal I suppose.

It strikes me as a matter of common sense. Stopping could be more dangerous than not stopping because is takes longer to build momentum again to clear the intersection. The longer a bicyclist is in an intersection with four cars pointed at him the higher the probability of getting hit. Somebody should build a computer simulation to flush that hypothesis out.

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world

]]> I don't know any bike riders who actually come

to a complete stop at stop signs. As a bicyclist you are moving slow and have little mass and therefore can't hurt other people sitting in cars. Changing the law would at least make it legal I suppose.

It strikes me as a matter of common sense. Stopping could be more dangerous than not stopping because is takes longer to build momentum again to clear the intersection. The longer a bicyclist is in an intersection with four cars pointed at him the higher the probability of getting hit. Somebody should build a computer simulation to flush that hypothesis out.

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world

]]> Comment #10 by Sami http://www.grist.org/article/Let-cyclists-roll/ Sun, 18 Jan 2009 02:53:27 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Let-cyclists-roll/10 A good idea

It would make it easier for the bicyclists when traveling on the roadways with motorists, since the motorists don't always pay attention to them or give them the correct space on the roadways.  They should be treated like a vehicle when traveling, but I can understand why they wouldn't need to come to a complete stop.  And really, how many of you actually come to a complete stop in your vehicle when there is no traffic at the stop sign.  I know that I am guilty of that, and I realize that I should be ticketed for it, but I think that it is a bit much to ticket a bicyclist for trying to make his greener lifestyle easier riding.  As long as they abide by the yield rules, I see nothing wrong with them trying to push this law through.  

Maybe if it's pushed through all the states, then more people may be inclined to ride their bikes to work, rather then using a gas guzzling, non eco-friendly vehicle.  

Sami

]]> A good idea

It would make it easier for the bicyclists when traveling on the roadways with motorists, since the motorists don't always pay attention to them or give them the correct space on the roadways.  They should be treated like a vehicle when traveling, but I can understand why they wouldn't need to come to a complete stop.  And really, how many of you actually come to a complete stop in your vehicle when there is no traffic at the stop sign.  I know that I am guilty of that, and I realize that I should be ticketed for it, but I think that it is a bit much to ticket a bicyclist for trying to make his greener lifestyle easier riding.  As long as they abide by the yield rules, I see nothing wrong with them trying to push this law through.  

Maybe if it's pushed through all the states, then more people may be inclined to ride their bikes to work, rather then using a gas guzzling, non eco-friendly vehicle.  

Sami

]]> Comment #11 by PurpleOzone http://www.grist.org/article/Let-cyclists-roll/ Mon, 19 Jan 2009 03:12:00 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Let-cyclists-roll/11 Historical Note:

Right-on-red was to save gas -- in response to the oil crisis of 1973.
It presented a new challenge to drivers who don't know which hand is right and which is left. No kidding, some of us are 'right-left disabled'.

]]> Historical Note:

Right-on-red was to save gas -- in response to the oil crisis of 1973.
It presented a new challenge to drivers who don't know which hand is right and which is left. No kidding, some of us are 'right-left disabled'.

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