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            <title>Comment #1 by Jim Goodman</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 03:59:19 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>GM Science</strong></p><p>When you own the seed you also own the research. &nbsp;</p><p>
Neat little way to protect the seed from any research results that turned out to be negative, of course any in house research that goes bad can just be shredded. What was that Monsanto said about their recombinant bovine growth hormone (rBGH) "the most thoroughly tested drug ever released". &nbsp;You bet.</p>
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				<p><strong>GM Science</strong></p><p>When you own the seed you also own the research. &nbsp;</p><p>
Neat little way to protect the seed from any research results that turned out to be negative, of course any in house research that goes bad can just be shredded. What was that Monsanto said about their recombinant bovine growth hormone (rBGH) "the most thoroughly tested drug ever released". &nbsp;You bet.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by JMG</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 09:13:59 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Nice analogy<p>in the book (if I recall correctly) "Toxic Deception" by Dan Fagin &amp; Marianne LeVelle -- they were talking about how the states and feds had funded construction and startup of all these huge ag schools but provide nothing for ongoing research. &nbsp;Hence, the scientists in all these places are reduced to begging Dow, Monsanto, DuPont and others of that ilk for any money to carry out their work.<p>
The book described how one guy likened it to buying a Cadillac but not having any money for gas -- meaning that the guy who provides a little gas money gets to say where the car goes for a tiny fraction of the public stake in the venture.

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				<p><strong>Nice analogy<p>in the book (if I recall correctly) "Toxic Deception" by Dan Fagin &amp; Marianne LeVelle -- they were talking about how the states and feds had funded construction and startup of all these huge ag schools but provide nothing for ongoing research. &nbsp;Hence, the scientists in all these places are reduced to begging Dow, Monsanto, DuPont and others of that ilk for any money to carry out their work.<p>
The book described how one guy likened it to buying a Cadillac but not having any money for gas -- meaning that the guy who provides a little gas money gets to say where the car goes for a tiny fraction of the public stake in the venture.

<p>The <a href="http://is.gd/39gm" rel="nofollow">5% Project

Let's live on the planet as if we intend to stay.</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Erik Hoffner</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 09:16:26 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>research<p>Thanks for this heads-up Meredith. It's frustrating that we can't get good info on this technology that goofs up the planet's genetics.<p>
One place I've found good scientific info on the effects of GMOs is Nontarget.org, cataloging all kinds of documented results and unintended outcomes:<p>
<a href="http://natureinstitute.org/nontarget/" rel="nofollow">http://natureinstitute.org/nontarget/<p>
Erik

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				<p><strong>research<p>Thanks for this heads-up Meredith. It's frustrating that we can't get good info on this technology that goofs up the planet's genetics.<p>
One place I've found good scientific info on the effects of GMOs is Nontarget.org, cataloging all kinds of documented results and unintended outcomes:<p>
<a href="http://natureinstitute.org/nontarget/" rel="nofollow">http://natureinstitute.org/nontarget/<p>
Erik

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            <title>Comment #4 by Lion4</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:48:07 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Genetically Modified Science<p>&nbsp;The manipulation and corruption of GM science has been an ongoing scandal for almost 20 years now. There is now a long dossier of research manipulation and malpractice involving the corporations who claim to own patents on life forms. My organization has been banging on about this for years:<br>
<a href="http://www.gmfreecymru.org/pivotal_papers/corruption08.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.gmfreecymru.org/pivotal_papers/corruption08.ht ...<br>
<a href="http://www.gmfreecymru.org/pivotal_papers/manipulation.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.gmfreecymru.org/pivotal_papers/manipulation.ht ... <br>
Our main concern -- on the ethical front -- is that the bulk of research put into the GM<br>
approval dossiers in the USA and the EU is Advocacy Research, containing cherry-picked results and conveniently omitting everything inconvenient -- ie showing damage to animals and humans, and harm to the environment. There is also a great deal of manipulation of experimental design and use of statistical trickery to eliminate significance. Even more severe, in<br>
Europe we are all aware that the research contained in the "approval dossiers" is NON-REPLICABLE because the patent owners will not make available to truly independent researchers their GM reference materials or GM feed for animal feeding studies. Nobody should ever accept non-replicable research -- in any branch of science -- &nbsp;as valid, but the regulators do it all the time. And the result? &nbsp;In the USA, GM contamination is everywhere, and God only knows what the long-term effects of eating GM foods are going to be for the population at large. &nbsp;The USA is already starting to reap the whirlwind, and we are fighting hard to stop the same thing happening in Europe.</br></br></br></a></br></a></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Genetically Modified Science<p>&nbsp;The manipulation and corruption of GM science has been an ongoing scandal for almost 20 years now. There is now a long dossier of research manipulation and malpractice involving the corporations who claim to own patents on life forms. My organization has been banging on about this for years:<br>
<a href="http://www.gmfreecymru.org/pivotal_papers/corruption08.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.gmfreecymru.org/pivotal_papers/corruption08.ht ...<br>
<a href="http://www.gmfreecymru.org/pivotal_papers/manipulation.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.gmfreecymru.org/pivotal_papers/manipulation.ht ... <br>
Our main concern -- on the ethical front -- is that the bulk of research put into the GM<br>
approval dossiers in the USA and the EU is Advocacy Research, containing cherry-picked results and conveniently omitting everything inconvenient -- ie showing damage to animals and humans, and harm to the environment. There is also a great deal of manipulation of experimental design and use of statistical trickery to eliminate significance. Even more severe, in<br>
Europe we are all aware that the research contained in the "approval dossiers" is NON-REPLICABLE because the patent owners will not make available to truly independent researchers their GM reference materials or GM feed for animal feeding studies. Nobody should ever accept non-replicable research -- in any branch of science -- &nbsp;as valid, but the regulators do it all the time. And the result? &nbsp;In the USA, GM contamination is everywhere, and God only knows what the long-term effects of eating GM foods are going to be for the population at large. &nbsp;The USA is already starting to reap the whirlwind, and we are fighting hard to stop the same thing happening in Europe.</br></br></br></a></br></a></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by Ted Clayton</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 01:54:30 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Buy open-pollinated seed each year</strong></p><p>The scientific &amp; progressive-social aspects of genetic modification were sacrificed on the alter of transcorporate globalization.</p><p>
The idea is to create a 'norm' in which farmers and farming-businesses must go to the GMO company to get their seed each year ... and in which they gradually come to look at the GMO company as the source of leadership &amp; direction, all-round.</p><p>
We saw a similar transition with 'farm bank-loans'. &nbsp;Once upon a time, a farmer had a bad year, or wanted to put a large chunk of new land into production. &nbsp;To finance a transient situation, a bank-loan was taken out. &nbsp;Ultimately, the government &amp; banks set up a scheme wherein it became <b>abnormal</b> to do farming, without going to the bank every year, and for every piddlin' idea or circumstance. &nbsp;</p><p>
Obviously, this enables the banks - and the government - to 'skim' the farm-component of our economy (at everyone's expense) in a vast &amp; systematic manner. &nbsp;Banks now publicize &amp; conduct PR, to promote their own ideas for loans the farmers need!</p><p>
That's what the GMO game is supposed to do: &nbsp;"Capture" the farming-enterprise so that it can be, ahem, "milked".</p><p>
Response #1. &nbsp;Buy open-pollinated seed every year from nurseries that specialize in maintaining IP-free and heirloom varieties. &nbsp;Make an extra effort to track down sources of what seem like 'weird' crops, like wheat, rye, barley (esp. hulless), oats (esp. hulless), oilseed sunflower, soy, canola, etc. &nbsp;Make it a policy during the Holiday season (when the new seed-year starts and new catalogs have come out) to spend that $10-20 or $50-100 on a careful selection of seeds.</p><p>
If you don't have the dirt or water to garden, or you have no interest in gardening yourself, buy the seed and store it in a cool, dry place - just in case, ya know! - then give last year's seed away (it's still good) to someone whom you know would like to 'carry the torch'.</p><p>
Include unusual things ("Rat-tail Radish" - instead of a root, produces great masses of crunchy-juicy edible seed-pods like green-beans and snap-peas), so your give-away stock isn't just the same-ol' stuff and has novelty-value.</p>
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				<p><strong>Buy open-pollinated seed each year</strong></p><p>The scientific &amp; progressive-social aspects of genetic modification were sacrificed on the alter of transcorporate globalization.</p><p>
The idea is to create a 'norm' in which farmers and farming-businesses must go to the GMO company to get their seed each year ... and in which they gradually come to look at the GMO company as the source of leadership &amp; direction, all-round.</p><p>
We saw a similar transition with 'farm bank-loans'. &nbsp;Once upon a time, a farmer had a bad year, or wanted to put a large chunk of new land into production. &nbsp;To finance a transient situation, a bank-loan was taken out. &nbsp;Ultimately, the government &amp; banks set up a scheme wherein it became <b>abnormal</b> to do farming, without going to the bank every year, and for every piddlin' idea or circumstance. &nbsp;</p><p>
Obviously, this enables the banks - and the government - to 'skim' the farm-component of our economy (at everyone's expense) in a vast &amp; systematic manner. &nbsp;Banks now publicize &amp; conduct PR, to promote their own ideas for loans the farmers need!</p><p>
That's what the GMO game is supposed to do: &nbsp;"Capture" the farming-enterprise so that it can be, ahem, "milked".</p><p>
Response #1. &nbsp;Buy open-pollinated seed every year from nurseries that specialize in maintaining IP-free and heirloom varieties. &nbsp;Make an extra effort to track down sources of what seem like 'weird' crops, like wheat, rye, barley (esp. hulless), oats (esp. hulless), oilseed sunflower, soy, canola, etc. &nbsp;Make it a policy during the Holiday season (when the new seed-year starts and new catalogs have come out) to spend that $10-20 or $50-100 on a careful selection of seeds.</p><p>
If you don't have the dirt or water to garden, or you have no interest in gardening yourself, buy the seed and store it in a cool, dry place - just in case, ya know! - then give last year's seed away (it's still good) to someone whom you know would like to 'carry the torch'.</p><p>
Include unusual things ("Rat-tail Radish" - instead of a root, produces great masses of crunchy-juicy edible seed-pods like green-beans and snap-peas), so your give-away stock isn't just the same-ol' stuff and has novelty-value.</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by splashy</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:01:40 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>That's very good </strong></p><p>I hadn't thought of that. Do it under the guise of "I didn't get around to planting this last year, do you want to try it? It's something different, maybe you will like it."</p>
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				<p><strong>That's very good </strong></p><p>I hadn't thought of that. Do it under the guise of "I didn't get around to planting this last year, do you want to try it? It's something different, maybe you will like it."</p>
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