first time i remember using the analogy between nuclear deterrence (blackmail edition) and ecological policy was 2006. i saw it befire then tho.

Thank God that no American cities are at sea level and that we never have hurricanes over here in the good ole' U.S. of A.! It's not like there'd ever be any consequences of global warming to America! I mean, other then a dust bowl in California, but it's nothing but hippies and fruits out there anyway...

Besides, we all know that the real most important biggest everest threat to Americans are Islamic radicals. With box cutters. In Bangladesh.

and the Southern Appalachian Mountains we are leveling to maintain or co2 production is as much a back water third world country as Bangladesh. Economically and politically insignificant to the country. Aside from mining the coal with MTR methods and destroying their own habitat I feel they should also turn over all severance and unmined mineral tax to the utilities. All the money we spent down there during the war on poverty and the great society program should be paid back with interest. Then we should charge them a tax to pay for carbon reduction. If they ever hope to save a deciduous forest or a steam they should have to pay for this global warming control also.

The eons of time and nature was good to us down here. It was not until we become civilized that destroying our habitat become fathomable or fashionable.

for wisdom, rationality or fairness

just use all your wiles

and give away all necessary

to get a meaningful cap

...we don't need to reason with them.  We just need them to keep looking ridiculous to the rest of the country.

I really think Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert have done more for the planet than almost anyone, just by helping the wingers to marginalize themselves.  But the rest of us need to pitch in and nail them at every opportunity.

Oh, and also keep repeating the green jobs and energy independence memes.  Those really appeal to a wider audience.  Also energy efficiency -- honestly, David Frum notwithstanding, most people do readily understand energy efficiency as simple common sense.

This is synonymous with throwing a drowning man an anchor. Or the crowd that wants to trade a bushel of wheat for a barrel of oil, I could almost go there if it was a bushel of corn designated for corn ethanol.

But I digress, I guess this would fall into the category of environmental protectionism, no that ain't right either.

I know how about an environmental firing squad formed in a circle?

The eons of time and nature was good to us down here. It was not until we become civilized that destroying our habitat become fathomable or fashionable.

You said it!  With straight lines like these dimbulb limboobs provide, how can we fail?  

Hehey, threaten the poorest of the starving poor with more poverty, so they will expunge terrorism?

That would be like bombing the utility and water systems in Iraq, killing a 100,000 children from water bourne disease as a result, with the aim of making Saddam give himself up.

Or bombing Pakistani mud homes to get Bin laden and defeat al queda.

I'm beginning to see a pattern here.  Survival of the dimmest?  The dopier and more sadistic the limboob, the higher up in the realm of limboobery they rise.  With limboob himself occupying the highest  position, that of hillbilly heroin addicted, big mouthed, vapid, 300 pound porker.

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin

Having just read Joseph Romm's piece on unstaining Al Gore's name, shouldn't Gristmill authors and commenters hold themselves to a higher standard of accurately representing what the other side is saying? Frumm did not say he "doesn't believe in energy efficiency or renewable energy". He said:
"relying" on windmills is fantasy, (which could reasonably be interpreted as saying we don't currently have enough wind energy potential - or even by extension, enough renewable energy sources - that could feasibly replace all our fossil fuel use on a practical schedule) and
using less energy in order to avoid a tax places other burdens on people that are similar to a tax - another reasonable statement since people have to either change their behavior or spend time or money to become more energy efficient.

I don't know anything about Frum, but it seems apparent to me that his statements are being exaggerated and interpreted in order to make him look like a fool. I fail to see how this helps those on the other side look more reasonable.

I also question whether the mocking and sarcasm of the comments is helping or hurting the cause. Come on people, don't stoop to the level of the worst you see in the other side.

Yes it is wrong.  But as long as it's funny?  

Boss limboob really does need a "Bro" or a "Manzere" if he is going to bounce around on primetime teevee.  FCC fines could be levied now that the regulators are back in town.

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin