<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for ‘Anti-science syndrome’ plagues the right-wing as well as blogosphere]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by Delay And Deny http://www.grist.org/article/Diagnosing-an-ASS-victim/ Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:13:48 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Diagnosing-an-ASS-victim/1 Sure Sign: Lack of Debate

The most striking sign of anti-Science is to call the person a Nazi if they disagree with you.  Scientists who publish ideas lay down the glove as a challenge.   Those who deny the ability of others to challenge the theory or research are doing polemic, not science.

By the way, I'm reading a fascinating book (The Future of Everything) on the history and science of prediction, from the Temple  at Delphi onward.   And it includes some comments on climate forecasting.

I ask that you consider reading it, before opening mouth any wider:

http://www.amazon.com/Future-Everything-Science-Predictio ...

...if there are self made Purgatories, then we all have to live in them. --"This Side of Paradise", TOS

]]> Sure Sign: Lack of Debate

The most striking sign of anti-Science is to call the person a Nazi if they disagree with you.  Scientists who publish ideas lay down the glove as a challenge.   Those who deny the ability of others to challenge the theory or research are doing polemic, not science.

By the way, I'm reading a fascinating book (The Future of Everything) on the history and science of prediction, from the Temple  at Delphi onward.   And it includes some comments on climate forecasting.

I ask that you consider reading it, before opening mouth any wider:

http://www.amazon.com/Future-Everything-Science-Predictio ...

...if there are self made Purgatories, then we all have to live in them. --"This Side of Paradise", TOS

]]> Comment #2 by anotherID http://www.grist.org/article/Diagnosing-an-ASS-victim/ Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:31:56 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Diagnosing-an-ASS-victim/2 VIA

Village Idiot Alert

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Village Idiot Alert

]]> Comment #3 by amazingdrx http://www.grist.org/article/Diagnosing-an-ASS-victim/ Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:54:25 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Diagnosing-an-ASS-victim/3 It takes a village..

..to raise an idiot, Crawford ought to have signs like this in all prominent public locations.

However, this is a whole virtual village of ASSes, defined by their talking points, as Joe collates.  Google the list, hehey.  What a mess.

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin

]]> It takes a village..

..to raise an idiot, Crawford ought to have signs like this in all prominent public locations.

However, this is a whole virtual village of ASSes, defined by their talking points, as Joe collates.  Google the list, hehey.  What a mess.

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin

]]> Comment #4 by Black Wallaby http://www.grist.org/article/Diagnosing-an-ASS-victim/ Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:08:30 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Diagnosing-an-ASS-victim/4 Vote for Pharyngula

Hi Joe, thanks for introducing me to the website Pharyngula, it is indeed a very interesting site. It is headed:

Evolution, development, and random biological ejaculations from a godless liberal

The author is; PZ Myers [a] biologist and associate professor at the University of Minnesota, Morris.

The origin of the site-name is, in part;
Ballard (1981) coined the term "pharyngula" to refer to the embryo that has developed to the phyolotypic stage, when it possesses the classic vertebrate bauplan...

Myers is an excellent writer and humorist, elaborating some weird things in biology, but also politics, religion, and a host of wacky things in this world, such as this; his current lead article:

Who has the weird eyes?
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/01/bad_science_be ...

After reviewing the site, I'm not surprised that pharyngula is very popular, and I've added it to my list of favourites, for those days when I might feel down, and want some entertainment.

Thanks again Joe for the introduction, but let`s see how the voting goes eh!



]]> Vote for Pharyngula

Hi Joe, thanks for introducing me to the website Pharyngula, it is indeed a very interesting site. It is headed:

Evolution, development, and random biological ejaculations from a godless liberal

The author is; PZ Myers [a] biologist and associate professor at the University of Minnesota, Morris.

The origin of the site-name is, in part;
Ballard (1981) coined the term "pharyngula" to refer to the embryo that has developed to the phyolotypic stage, when it possesses the classic vertebrate bauplan...

Myers is an excellent writer and humorist, elaborating some weird things in biology, but also politics, religion, and a host of wacky things in this world, such as this; his current lead article:

Who has the weird eyes?
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/01/bad_science_be ...

After reviewing the site, I'm not surprised that pharyngula is very popular, and I've added it to my list of favourites, for those days when I might feel down, and want some entertainment.

Thanks again Joe for the introduction, but let`s see how the voting goes eh!



]]> Comment #5 by Black Wallaby http://www.grist.org/article/Diagnosing-an-ASS-victim/ Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:08:41 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Diagnosing-an-ASS-victim/5 Results from 2008 Weblog Awards

For: Best science blog, out of ten:
Winner:  Watt's Up with That:  37.6%
Second:   Pharyngula (See my post above):  32.5%  
Third:  Climate Audit (A rather "serious" scientific site):  10.9%
Oh dear!:  Real Climate:  3.8%

Hey Joe, I notice that your own Weblog, (Climate Progress, is it?), did not make it into the ten science blogs voted on.  I wondered if you may have been placed into a different category, so went to The 2008 Weblog Award Poll Navigation Page.  Amongst the 50 odd categories listed, there did not seem to be one that fits your weblog, so maybe you should contact Weblog Awards, and mention that you seem to have been overlooked.



]]> Results from 2008 Weblog Awards

For: Best science blog, out of ten:
Winner:  Watt's Up with That:  37.6%
Second:   Pharyngula (See my post above):  32.5%  
Third:  Climate Audit (A rather "serious" scientific site):  10.9%
Oh dear!:  Real Climate:  3.8%

Hey Joe, I notice that your own Weblog, (Climate Progress, is it?), did not make it into the ten science blogs voted on.  I wondered if you may have been placed into a different category, so went to The 2008 Weblog Award Poll Navigation Page.  Amongst the 50 odd categories listed, there did not seem to be one that fits your weblog, so maybe you should contact Weblog Awards, and mention that you seem to have been overlooked.



]]> Comment #6 by Black Wallaby http://www.grist.org/article/Diagnosing-an-ASS-victim/ Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:43:47 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Diagnosing-an-ASS-victim/6 ASSole Comments:

Dear Joe,  you do not seem to have generated much sympathy this time from your usual groupies, and you came absolutely zero-nowhere in popular voting recognition in the science blog awards.  

Maybe this is a measure of your lack of credible scientific comment?
More a recognition of your SPIN?
Why don't you take early retirement?

]]> ASSole Comments:

Dear Joe,  you do not seem to have generated much sympathy this time from your usual groupies, and you came absolutely zero-nowhere in popular voting recognition in the science blog awards.  

Maybe this is a measure of your lack of credible scientific comment?
More a recognition of your SPIN?
Why don't you take early retirement?

]]> Comment #7 by Bob Wallace http://www.grist.org/article/Diagnosing-an-ASS-victim/ Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:58:00 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Diagnosing-an-ASS-victim/7 Wallaby -

Why don't you take your swipes to Joe's blog?

He'll answer you there.  I doubt that he regularly reads the comments on this one.

As for that popularity vote, I wouldn't get your panties in a bunch over it.  If you at have even a slight understanding of scientific methods you have to recognize that those sorts of polls are generally meaningless.

]]> Wallaby -

Why don't you take your swipes to Joe's blog?

He'll answer you there.  I doubt that he regularly reads the comments on this one.

As for that popularity vote, I wouldn't get your panties in a bunch over it.  If you at have even a slight understanding of scientific methods you have to recognize that those sorts of polls are generally meaningless.

]]> Comment #8 by Black Wallaby http://www.grist.org/article/Diagnosing-an-ASS-victim/ Mon, 19 Jan 2009 06:36:52 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Diagnosing-an-ASS-victim/8 Bob Wallace

Why don't you take your swipes to Joe's blog? He'll answer you there.
I prefer this weblog because it is an excellent broader ranging site including a far more lenient editorial policy that allows criticism of the leads, unlike Climate Progress, (and real Climate)  Experience related by Max and Brute over at Harmless Sky is that some of their posts "evaporate" or remain unanswered, and they are reluctant to bless those sites with hits, as I am.

I doubt that he regularly reads the comments on this one.  
That could be true, but I hope it is not

As for that popularity vote... ... those sorts of polls are generally meaningless.  
Joe does not seem to think so;  he opened his lead with a plea for us to vote for Pharyngula!


]]> Bob Wallace

Why don't you take your swipes to Joe's blog? He'll answer you there.
I prefer this weblog because it is an excellent broader ranging site including a far more lenient editorial policy that allows criticism of the leads, unlike Climate Progress, (and real Climate)  Experience related by Max and Brute over at Harmless Sky is that some of their posts "evaporate" or remain unanswered, and they are reluctant to bless those sites with hits, as I am.

I doubt that he regularly reads the comments on this one.  
That could be true, but I hope it is not

As for that popularity vote... ... those sorts of polls are generally meaningless.  
Joe does not seem to think so;  he opened his lead with a plea for us to vote for Pharyngula!


]]> Comment #9 by Bob Wallace http://www.grist.org/article/Diagnosing-an-ASS-victim/ Mon, 19 Jan 2009 10:54:20 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Diagnosing-an-ASS-victim/9 Or... `

Is it because you can take shots here and get away   with it and know that if you confronted Joe directly you'd have to back up your "stuff"?

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Is it because you can take shots here and get away   with it and know that if you confronted Joe directly you'd have to back up your "stuff"?

]]> Comment #10 by Black Wallaby http://www.grist.org/article/Diagnosing-an-ASS-victim/ Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:04:42 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Diagnosing-an-ASS-victim/10 Bob Wallace accused me (Black Wallaby):

Or.... [rather than post directly to Joe at Climate Progress]. Is it because you can take shots here and get away with it and know that if you confronted Joe directly you'd have to back up your "stuff"?

NO, definitely not:  I gave my reasons for not posting at Climate Progress above.  It is not terribly complicated really. Perhaps you could try reading it again.  (Additionally, I might add that there is higher traffic here).  However, if you remain upset, and somehow believe that Joe, whom is not famous for modesty, does not read responses to his own rather vain lead posts here, then why don't you take it up with him?   Just let him know at his CP that in your opinion I have misrepresented him, listing the threads here that are so affected.

As we say in Australia; "Dobb me in", please do; it could be fun if he is brave enough to respond.
Similar remarks apply to Andrew Dessler, another master spinner.  (although he has responded admirably in the past)

]]> Bob Wallace accused me (Black Wallaby):

Or.... [rather than post directly to Joe at Climate Progress]. Is it because you can take shots here and get away with it and know that if you confronted Joe directly you'd have to back up your "stuff"?

NO, definitely not:  I gave my reasons for not posting at Climate Progress above.  It is not terribly complicated really. Perhaps you could try reading it again.  (Additionally, I might add that there is higher traffic here).  However, if you remain upset, and somehow believe that Joe, whom is not famous for modesty, does not read responses to his own rather vain lead posts here, then why don't you take it up with him?   Just let him know at his CP that in your opinion I have misrepresented him, listing the threads here that are so affected.

As we say in Australia; "Dobb me in", please do; it could be fun if he is brave enough to respond.
Similar remarks apply to Andrew Dessler, another master spinner.  (although he has responded admirably in the past)

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