<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for What do you expect from a party that wants to be more like Sarah Palin?]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by Ted Clayton http://www.grist.org/article/Deniers-are-still-mostly-duping-only-GOP-voters/ Tue, 03 Feb 2009 08:08:16 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Deniers-are-still-mostly-duping-only-GOP-voters/1 Alaska is cool

It's especially interesting that some many are attracted to Alaska, on exactly the same grounds that so many fault the Lower 48 U.S.A.

People like Alaska, because it is not so bound up in the suburban commuter consumerism that makes mainstream American lifestyle so cringe-worthy.

Of course, the 'tragedy' of Alaska is that it embraces rural lifestyles & values.  Tellingly, even in 'Los Anchorage', country-values are the norm.  And from Anchorage, it's only an hour's drive to Alaska.  ;-)

Sarah Palin is simply The Standard Model of the well-adapted Alaskan (most of whom are originally from elsewhere, so they need a good model!).

No doubt, Alaska is way-cool, provided one is comfortable in rural culture.

]]> Alaska is cool

It's especially interesting that some many are attracted to Alaska, on exactly the same grounds that so many fault the Lower 48 U.S.A.

People like Alaska, because it is not so bound up in the suburban commuter consumerism that makes mainstream American lifestyle so cringe-worthy.

Of course, the 'tragedy' of Alaska is that it embraces rural lifestyles & values.  Tellingly, even in 'Los Anchorage', country-values are the norm.  And from Anchorage, it's only an hour's drive to Alaska.  ;-)

Sarah Palin is simply The Standard Model of the well-adapted Alaskan (most of whom are originally from elsewhere, so they need a good model!).

No doubt, Alaska is way-cool, provided one is comfortable in rural culture.

]]> Comment #2 by sindark http://www.grist.org/article/Deniers-are-still-mostly-duping-only-GOP-voters/ Wed, 04 Feb 2009 06:18:07 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Deniers-are-still-mostly-duping-only-GOP-voters/2 Climate change undermines libertarianism

The idea that one should be free to behave as one wishes - as long as it doesn't harm others - seems to provide a decent balance between allowing people to pursue their own purposes and stopping that pursuit from harming the general interest. That being said, the degree to which libertarianism can be liberating is diminishing with time. This is basically because of both the growing fact of interconnectedness and because of our growing awareness of it.

Climate change may be the ultimate force diminishing how liberating libertarianism can be. Not only do nearly all of our life and economic choices impact innocent third parties around the world, they also contribute to a problem that will have a huge long-term impact on future generations and the natural world. Arguably, this makes the doctrine of "do what you like but do no harm" impossible to follow in practice.

It is not clear if or how the appealing aspects of libertarianism can be maintained in a world full of important material interconnections.

a sibilant intake of breath

]]> Climate change undermines libertarianism

The idea that one should be free to behave as one wishes - as long as it doesn't harm others - seems to provide a decent balance between allowing people to pursue their own purposes and stopping that pursuit from harming the general interest. That being said, the degree to which libertarianism can be liberating is diminishing with time. This is basically because of both the growing fact of interconnectedness and because of our growing awareness of it.

Climate change may be the ultimate force diminishing how liberating libertarianism can be. Not only do nearly all of our life and economic choices impact innocent third parties around the world, they also contribute to a problem that will have a huge long-term impact on future generations and the natural world. Arguably, this makes the doctrine of "do what you like but do no harm" impossible to follow in practice.

It is not clear if or how the appealing aspects of libertarianism can be maintained in a world full of important material interconnections.

a sibilant intake of breath

]]> Comment #3 by GreyFlcn http://www.grist.org/article/Deniers-are-still-mostly-duping-only-GOP-voters/ Wed, 04 Feb 2009 07:16:56 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/Deniers-are-still-mostly-duping-only-GOP-voters/3 re: Sindark

Or basically, the argument libertarians seem to like is that they can "disagree with reality" because they don't like the political implications.
http://greyfalcon.net/reality.png
http://greyfalcon.net/gingrich2

Logically, it's a completely bankrupt argument.
But emotionally, it has some sway.
Especially when you consider Cognitive Dissonance.
http://changingminds.org/explanations/theories/cognitive_ ...

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That said, most the arguments I've found with Skeptics is to prey on the fact that most people don't understand the climatic impact of the El Nino Southern Oscillation cycle, and the Milankovitch cycle.
http://greyfalcon.net/elnino
http://greyfalcon.net/lanina
http://greyfalcon.net/rsstemps2.png
http://greyfalcon.net/milankovitch

-David Ahlport










]]> re: Sindark

Or basically, the argument libertarians seem to like is that they can "disagree with reality" because they don't like the political implications.
http://greyfalcon.net/reality.png
http://greyfalcon.net/gingrich2

Logically, it's a completely bankrupt argument.
But emotionally, it has some sway.
Especially when you consider Cognitive Dissonance.
http://changingminds.org/explanations/theories/cognitive_ ...

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That said, most the arguments I've found with Skeptics is to prey on the fact that most people don't understand the climatic impact of the El Nino Southern Oscillation cycle, and the Milankovitch cycle.
http://greyfalcon.net/elnino
http://greyfalcon.net/lanina
http://greyfalcon.net/rsstemps2.png
http://greyfalcon.net/milankovitch

-David Ahlport










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