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            <title>Comment #1 by Jonas</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/Coal-blogging-is-fun/</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 02:00:00 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Don't want to be advocate of the devil</strong></p><p>But what would be wrong with carbon capture and storage?</p><p>
According to James Hansen -- not a right-wing pro-coal nut -- coal with CCS is okay, but what's even more important, the development of CCS is crucial for the transition to carbon-negative bioenergy. </p><p>
So what's up with the rather narrowminded rejection of the technology of carbon capture and storage? </p><p>
This technology basically saves humanity's behind. </p>
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				<p><strong>Don't want to be advocate of the devil</strong></p><p>But what would be wrong with carbon capture and storage?</p><p>
According to James Hansen -- not a right-wing pro-coal nut -- coal with CCS is okay, but what's even more important, the development of CCS is crucial for the transition to carbon-negative bioenergy. </p><p>
So what's up with the rather narrowminded rejection of the technology of carbon capture and storage? </p><p>
This technology basically saves humanity's behind. </p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by cavecanem</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/Coal-blogging-is-fun/</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 03:19:54 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Nothing is wrong with CCS...</strong></p><p>except it doesn't exist, mountaintop mining still ruins vast landscapes and ecosystems, and to implement CCS on such a scale as to actually help out, it would cost billions that the coal companies will not pay.</p>
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				<p><strong>Nothing is wrong with CCS...</strong></p><p>except it doesn't exist, mountaintop mining still ruins vast landscapes and ecosystems, and to implement CCS on such a scale as to actually help out, it would cost billions that the coal companies will not pay.</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Pompey Road</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 05:51:34 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Christmas Sludge:</strong></p><p>A coal sludge pond broke yesterday in Tennessee that stored captured fly ash. CNN has been covering the environmental mess including the heavy metals and other toxins locked up in this sludge pond. I wish we could have had the same amount of coverage for the Sludge/Slurry impoundment that broke down in Martin County Ky. A few years ago. It was a much larger spill than the Exxon Valdez and polluted miles of streams and river systems down in Ky. The sludge pond that failed in Tennessee is puny in size when looking at some of the sludge ponds here in East Ky. And West Va. We don't have enough environmentalist highlighting the coal sludge ponds that are created in the coal washing process.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Combines with Mountain top Removal and Valley Fills the Appalachian forest and streams are under the twin assault of MTR and toxic sludge ponds. I hope I can find the new pro coal blog and they will let me post. I can show them some of the nastier sides of so called clean coal. <br>


<p>The eons of time and nature was good to us down here. It was not until we become civilized that destroying our habitat become fathomable or fashionable.</p></br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>Christmas Sludge:</strong></p><p>A coal sludge pond broke yesterday in Tennessee that stored captured fly ash. CNN has been covering the environmental mess including the heavy metals and other toxins locked up in this sludge pond. I wish we could have had the same amount of coverage for the Sludge/Slurry impoundment that broke down in Martin County Ky. A few years ago. It was a much larger spill than the Exxon Valdez and polluted miles of streams and river systems down in Ky. The sludge pond that failed in Tennessee is puny in size when looking at some of the sludge ponds here in East Ky. And West Va. We don't have enough environmentalist highlighting the coal sludge ponds that are created in the coal washing process.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Combines with Mountain top Removal and Valley Fills the Appalachian forest and streams are under the twin assault of MTR and toxic sludge ponds. I hope I can find the new pro coal blog and they will let me post. I can show them some of the nastier sides of so called clean coal. <br>


<p>The eons of time and nature was good to us down here. It was not until we become civilized that destroying our habitat become fathomable or fashionable.</p></br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Delay And Deny</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/Coal-blogging-is-fun/</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:16:17 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Hydrogen Bloggers Tattered and Torn!</strong></p><p><br>
How can us Hydrogen Bloggers and Commenters tap into the Big Cash Bonus?!

<p>Leave any bigotry in your quarters. There's no room for it on the Bridge. J.T.Kirk</p></br></p>
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				<p><strong>Hydrogen Bloggers Tattered and Torn!</strong></p><p><br>
How can us Hydrogen Bloggers and Commenters tap into the Big Cash Bonus?!

<p>Leave any bigotry in your quarters. There's no room for it on the Bridge. J.T.Kirk</p></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by ThomC</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 13:44:29 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>CCS is a fantasy<p>I am sorry to inform you Jonas but Hansen is wrong on CCS. There are numerous reasons, i will list the main ones:<p>


 Most areas around power stations are not geologically suitable for storage therefore you need to build up a nationwide infrastructure of gas pipelines to transport the CO2 to the storage sites. This network would be required to be financed and built in a decade.<p>
 The energy required in capturing and transforming CO2 into a sequestrable state requires that you basically drop a retrofitted power station output significantly(<a href="http://www.un.org/esa/sustdev/sdissues/energy/op/ccs_egm/presentations_papers/katzer_presentation.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.un.org/esa/sustdev/sdissues/energy/op/ccs_egm/ ...). Consequently you need to build more power stations just to maintain the existing electrical output. <p>


 There are issues surrounding leaks and potential for ecological catastrophe if a CO2 reservoir "burped". <p>
 To date i am not aware of anyone that has demonstrated the complete process of CCS. I know that the O&amp;G boys have been doing the storage part for EOR and that CO2 has been captured before using amines. Futuregen is a project that is looking to construct a demonstration facility but i think there are funding issues. <br>


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				<p><strong>CCS is a fantasy<p>I am sorry to inform you Jonas but Hansen is wrong on CCS. There are numerous reasons, i will list the main ones:<p>


 Most areas around power stations are not geologically suitable for storage therefore you need to build up a nationwide infrastructure of gas pipelines to transport the CO2 to the storage sites. This network would be required to be financed and built in a decade.<p>
 The energy required in capturing and transforming CO2 into a sequestrable state requires that you basically drop a retrofitted power station output significantly(<a href="http://www.un.org/esa/sustdev/sdissues/energy/op/ccs_egm/presentations_papers/katzer_presentation.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.un.org/esa/sustdev/sdissues/energy/op/ccs_egm/ ...). Consequently you need to build more power stations just to maintain the existing electrical output. <p>


 There are issues surrounding leaks and potential for ecological catastrophe if a CO2 reservoir "burped". <p>
 To date i am not aware of anyone that has demonstrated the complete process of CCS. I know that the O&amp;G boys have been doing the storage part for EOR and that CO2 has been captured before using amines. Futuregen is a project that is looking to construct a demonstration facility but i think there are funding issues. <br>


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