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            <title>Comment #1 by Pangolin</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:32:10 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Neil Young you out there? <p>It looks like somebody in Detroit finally listened to you. <p>
Check out Neil Young's conversion of a gigantic old Lincoln into an electric/gasoline, series hybrid <a href="http://www.lincvolt.com/lincvolt_gazDetail?id=a0930000002Kby3AAC" rel="nofollow">here. It looks like old Neil is using an electric drive train and a bitty Wankel engine as a motor-generator. <p>
If you can do that to this big 1959 Lincoln you can do it to almost any car. All you need is to have the parts set up as modules and off you go. <p>
Chrysler needs to tell it's engineering team to make it work or go home. The speed with which they can get a functional vehicle to a buyer will dictate whether they live or die as a company. <p>
Neil says he's more than glad to help. 

<p><a href="http://putcarbonback.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Put  the Carbon Back</a></p></p></p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Neil Young you out there? <p>It looks like somebody in Detroit finally listened to you. <p>
Check out Neil Young's conversion of a gigantic old Lincoln into an electric/gasoline, series hybrid <a href="http://www.lincvolt.com/lincvolt_gazDetail?id=a0930000002Kby3AAC" rel="nofollow">here. It looks like old Neil is using an electric drive train and a bitty Wankel engine as a motor-generator. <p>
If you can do that to this big 1959 Lincoln you can do it to almost any car. All you need is to have the parts set up as modules and off you go. <p>
Chrysler needs to tell it's engineering team to make it work or go home. The speed with which they can get a functional vehicle to a buyer will dictate whether they live or die as a company. <p>
Neil says he's more than glad to help. 

<p><a href="http://putcarbonback.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Put  the Carbon Back</a></p></p></p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:59:46 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Great news!</strong></p><p>Go Chrysler! &nbsp;And Neil of course. &nbsp;Do i have to retire "Living With War" after the inauguration?</p><p>
How about a green revolution version Neil? &nbsp;Living With Revolution?</p><p>
But really Chrysler, if you are serious please go Fiber Forge carbon fiber body/frame technology too. &nbsp;That might put you in &nbsp;position to buy out GM in a few years.</p><p>
The key to plugin hybrid, is lightweight. &nbsp;Carbon fiber does it while actually increasing crash protection strength and safety. &nbsp;A 1200 pound economy plugin hybrid would beat the world to the punch. &nbsp;make it a Chrysler.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog     John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin </p></p>
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				<p><strong>Great news!</strong></p><p>Go Chrysler! &nbsp;And Neil of course. &nbsp;Do i have to retire "Living With War" after the inauguration?</p><p>
How about a green revolution version Neil? &nbsp;Living With Revolution?</p><p>
But really Chrysler, if you are serious please go Fiber Forge carbon fiber body/frame technology too. &nbsp;That might put you in &nbsp;position to buy out GM in a few years.</p><p>
The key to plugin hybrid, is lightweight. &nbsp;Carbon fiber does it while actually increasing crash protection strength and safety. &nbsp;A 1200 pound economy plugin hybrid would beat the world to the punch. &nbsp;make it a Chrysler.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog     John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin </p></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by justlou</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:10:57 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Rube Goldberg</strong></p><p>Come on! &nbsp;This is about as bassakwards as putting hybrid engines into Chevy Tahoes and heavy pickups. &nbsp;</p><p>
I don't give a shit -- putting much larger battery packs and larger motors in electric vehicles, especially those designed for transporting 175 pounds of human flesh, makes absolutely no freaking sense! &nbsp;For one, it requires generating much more power to charge the batteries. &nbsp;Where is this power coming from? &nbsp;And get real and get honest -- coal and nuclear. &nbsp;</p><p>
Forget about it. &nbsp;Chrysler is not going to survive and this is a prime example of why it shouldn't. &nbsp;</p>
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				<p><strong>Rube Goldberg</strong></p><p>Come on! &nbsp;This is about as bassakwards as putting hybrid engines into Chevy Tahoes and heavy pickups. &nbsp;</p><p>
I don't give a shit -- putting much larger battery packs and larger motors in electric vehicles, especially those designed for transporting 175 pounds of human flesh, makes absolutely no freaking sense! &nbsp;For one, it requires generating much more power to charge the batteries. &nbsp;Where is this power coming from? &nbsp;And get real and get honest -- coal and nuclear. &nbsp;</p><p>
Forget about it. &nbsp;Chrysler is not going to survive and this is a prime example of why it shouldn't. &nbsp;</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by MClemens</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:02:32 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Finally...<p>...it appears that one of America's auto companies gets it. If I read this correctly, Chrysler is expected to make electric vehicles available to the public at an affordable price while still producing its standard gas-powered vehicles. It then has the luxury of letting the public decide what it wants to purchase. In my eyes, this is the perfect scenario.<p>
I often get into debates with an uber-conservative co-worker of mine about hybrid/electric vehicles. I contend that we need to get the public to purchase them and get away from standard gas-powered vehicles - even if it requires government intervention to some degree. The problem (at least where I live in southern Iowa) has always been that hybrids were overly expensive and electric vehicles have yet to be available. He argues that government mandates whether at the consumer or corporate level are evil and result in nothing but "socialism" or a "dictatorship" and claims that markets must be the driving force behind it, regardless of its impacts on the climate (which he still claims is heading for the next ice age but that's beside the point). This Chrysler initiative makes a market-driven transition to electrics possible, and in the face of the soon-to-rise-sky-high fuel prices, very likely.<p>
I just hope Chrysler sticks to its guns on this one and the others either follow suit or fall flat on their face.

<p><a href="http://precarious-balance.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">MClemens</a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Finally...<p>...it appears that one of America's auto companies gets it. If I read this correctly, Chrysler is expected to make electric vehicles available to the public at an affordable price while still producing its standard gas-powered vehicles. It then has the luxury of letting the public decide what it wants to purchase. In my eyes, this is the perfect scenario.<p>
I often get into debates with an uber-conservative co-worker of mine about hybrid/electric vehicles. I contend that we need to get the public to purchase them and get away from standard gas-powered vehicles - even if it requires government intervention to some degree. The problem (at least where I live in southern Iowa) has always been that hybrids were overly expensive and electric vehicles have yet to be available. He argues that government mandates whether at the consumer or corporate level are evil and result in nothing but "socialism" or a "dictatorship" and claims that markets must be the driving force behind it, regardless of its impacts on the climate (which he still claims is heading for the next ice age but that's beside the point). This Chrysler initiative makes a market-driven transition to electrics possible, and in the face of the soon-to-rise-sky-high fuel prices, very likely.<p>
I just hope Chrysler sticks to its guns on this one and the others either follow suit or fall flat on their face.

<p><a href="http://precarious-balance.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">MClemens</a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by racc</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:28:26 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Just More PR</strong></p><p>Come on guys, this is just part of their desperate PR strategy to squeeze billions of dollars out of taxpayers. They know with a bad economy and low gas prices people won't be buying more costly electric cars anyway.</p><p>
he way forward is to provide people with a variety of better transportation choices that have less environmental impact. This includes high-speed rail, rapid transit, cycling and walking as well as building communities that don't force people to walk and cycle.</p><p>
Instead of wasting money bailing out the failed auto makers, it would be far better to provide loans to new, innovative companies that can provide transportation solutions for the future. Funding should also be provided to help transition auto workers to new jobs. </p><p>
The world marches on. By desperately hanging on to sunset industries, we will far even further behind other countries.</p>
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				<p><strong>Just More PR</strong></p><p>Come on guys, this is just part of their desperate PR strategy to squeeze billions of dollars out of taxpayers. They know with a bad economy and low gas prices people won't be buying more costly electric cars anyway.</p><p>
he way forward is to provide people with a variety of better transportation choices that have less environmental impact. This includes high-speed rail, rapid transit, cycling and walking as well as building communities that don't force people to walk and cycle.</p><p>
Instead of wasting money bailing out the failed auto makers, it would be far better to provide loans to new, innovative companies that can provide transportation solutions for the future. Funding should also be provided to help transition auto workers to new jobs. </p><p>
The world marches on. By desperately hanging on to sunset industries, we will far even further behind other countries.</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by Bob Wallace</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 04:23:22 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>How about...</strong></p><p>

Chrysler, like other American car manufacturers, is in trouble.</p><p>
Chrysler, like other car manufacturers world-wide, sees that electric cars are the vehicles of the not-so-distant future.</p><p>
Chrysler sees an opportunity to save its butt by moving as rapidly as possible into the the electric car market. &nbsp;The quickest way to get there is by modifying versions of their current lines, thus saving time and money.</p><p>


and...</p><p>


&nbsp;America needs jobs. &nbsp;If we let very major manufacturers go under we take the risk of driving our economy into a deep depression that could take years of recovery.</p><p>
&nbsp;If we let manufacturers go out of business we are going to be facing enormous amounts of expense to keep millions of Americans fed and housed. &nbsp;We will not permit mass starvation and millions of Americans dying on our sidewalks.</p><p>
&nbsp;If we spend some money now to keep American car manufacturers alive while they transition to more economic and electric vehicles we stand to create a flow of tax money back into our coffers rather than sending all that money overseas to purchase foreign products from now to eternity.</p><p>


---</p><p>
(All that anger at American car manufactures because they made the big cars/trucks/SUVs that Americans wanted to buy and didn't make the shoe-box sized fuel sipper that a half dozen people wanted back when gas was cheap? &nbsp;</p><p>
Get the f*ck over it. &nbsp;Doesn't matter who shot the hole in the hull when the boat is sinking. &nbsp;What matters is bailing.)</p>
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				<p><strong>How about...</strong></p><p>

Chrysler, like other American car manufacturers, is in trouble.</p><p>
Chrysler, like other car manufacturers world-wide, sees that electric cars are the vehicles of the not-so-distant future.</p><p>
Chrysler sees an opportunity to save its butt by moving as rapidly as possible into the the electric car market. &nbsp;The quickest way to get there is by modifying versions of their current lines, thus saving time and money.</p><p>


and...</p><p>


&nbsp;America needs jobs. &nbsp;If we let very major manufacturers go under we take the risk of driving our economy into a deep depression that could take years of recovery.</p><p>
&nbsp;If we let manufacturers go out of business we are going to be facing enormous amounts of expense to keep millions of Americans fed and housed. &nbsp;We will not permit mass starvation and millions of Americans dying on our sidewalks.</p><p>
&nbsp;If we spend some money now to keep American car manufacturers alive while they transition to more economic and electric vehicles we stand to create a flow of tax money back into our coffers rather than sending all that money overseas to purchase foreign products from now to eternity.</p><p>


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(All that anger at American car manufactures because they made the big cars/trucks/SUVs that Americans wanted to buy and didn't make the shoe-box sized fuel sipper that a half dozen people wanted back when gas was cheap? &nbsp;</p><p>
Get the f*ck over it. &nbsp;Doesn't matter who shot the hole in the hull when the boat is sinking. &nbsp;What matters is bailing.)</p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by justlou</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 04:41:00 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Bob</strong></p><p>What is the appeal of an electric Jeep or Ram Pickup? &nbsp;Anyone with any serious heavy use for either is going to continue choosing the gas model. &nbsp;</p><p>
One of their big problems now is too many freaking models. &nbsp;Applying electric motors to the behemoths in their product line is just plain stupid. &nbsp;</p><p>
They should put their efforts into a couple of models that really have some potential sales in the electric market which is primarily going to be in large urban areas. &nbsp;</p><p>
They should have learned their lessons by observing how many hybrid Tahoes that GM sold. </p><p>
They need to get lighter, get smaller and get smarter if they want to make the switch to electric. &nbsp; </p>
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				<p><strong>Bob</strong></p><p>What is the appeal of an electric Jeep or Ram Pickup? &nbsp;Anyone with any serious heavy use for either is going to continue choosing the gas model. &nbsp;</p><p>
One of their big problems now is too many freaking models. &nbsp;Applying electric motors to the behemoths in their product line is just plain stupid. &nbsp;</p><p>
They should put their efforts into a couple of models that really have some potential sales in the electric market which is primarily going to be in large urban areas. &nbsp;</p><p>
They should have learned their lessons by observing how many hybrid Tahoes that GM sold. </p><p>
They need to get lighter, get smaller and get smarter if they want to make the switch to electric. &nbsp; </p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 05:09:20 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Vaporcar Versus Vaporcar!</strong></p><p><br>
And I thought it was only software companies that sold vaporware!

<p>"This is the essence of science...you ask an impertinent question and you're on your way to a pertinent answer." -- Fox Mulder, S1E4, "Conduit"</p></br></p>
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				<p><strong>Vaporcar Versus Vaporcar!</strong></p><p><br>
And I thought it was only software companies that sold vaporware!

<p>"This is the essence of science...you ask an impertinent question and you're on your way to a pertinent answer." -- Fox Mulder, S1E4, "Conduit"</p></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by Bob Wallace</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 05:14:49 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>We're all just guessers, aren't we?</strong></p><p>Here's a guess...</p><p>
Their market research told them that they would sell more electrics that look like Jeeps than electrics that look like Prowlers. &nbsp;(Remember Prowlers?</p><p>
Another guess...</p><p>
Engineering and Tooling told them that they could produce an electric Jeep months/years faster than they could create a brand new super-lite "whatever". &nbsp;And Finance told them that time was of the essence.</p><p>
(And ask yourself. &nbsp;How many people who bought 4wd SUVs actually needed 4wd or that much interior space? &nbsp;Seems to me that a lot of the market is not driven by rabid rationality.)</p>
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				<p><strong>We're all just guessers, aren't we?</strong></p><p>Here's a guess...</p><p>
Their market research told them that they would sell more electrics that look like Jeeps than electrics that look like Prowlers. &nbsp;(Remember Prowlers?</p><p>
Another guess...</p><p>
Engineering and Tooling told them that they could produce an electric Jeep months/years faster than they could create a brand new super-lite "whatever". &nbsp;And Finance told them that time was of the essence.</p><p>
(And ask yourself. &nbsp;How many people who bought 4wd SUVs actually needed 4wd or that much interior space? &nbsp;Seems to me that a lot of the market is not driven by rabid rationality.)</p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by MClemens</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:17:57 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Rationality changing<p>Do you suppose that the American rationale is changing in the face of the economic + environmental crises? It seems to me that back when things were good (before this economy crashed, fuel prices rose dramatically, etc) Americans were worked into almost a spending frenzy. Buy what you want, as big as you can, and pay it off later.<p>
I think it was that frenzy that shook the boat up so much that it took on water and nearly capsized. It wasn't just one person/company/lender that shot the hole in it. The frenzy I think has pretty well died, we're bailing now and maybe thinking a bit more rationally. Will Americans now realize that they don't need 4,000 lb 4x4 SUV's to commute to work when they can just as easily afford a hybrid electric? I don't know but I'd say there is a better chance of it now than there ever was.

<p><a href="http://precarious-balance.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">MClemens</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Rationality changing<p>Do you suppose that the American rationale is changing in the face of the economic + environmental crises? It seems to me that back when things were good (before this economy crashed, fuel prices rose dramatically, etc) Americans were worked into almost a spending frenzy. Buy what you want, as big as you can, and pay it off later.<p>
I think it was that frenzy that shook the boat up so much that it took on water and nearly capsized. It wasn't just one person/company/lender that shot the hole in it. The frenzy I think has pretty well died, we're bailing now and maybe thinking a bit more rationally. Will Americans now realize that they don't need 4,000 lb 4x4 SUV's to commute to work when they can just as easily afford a hybrid electric? I don't know but I'd say there is a better chance of it now than there ever was.

<p><a href="http://precarious-balance.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">MClemens</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #11 by Bob Wallace</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:48:53 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>If your number one concern is global change...</strong></p><p>It's likely that you couldn't have been luckier to have expensive oil and the financial meltdown to happen at the same time.</p><p>
Reversing a moving ship is harder than one that is sitting still....</p>
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				<p><strong>If your number one concern is global change...</strong></p><p>It's likely that you couldn't have been luckier to have expensive oil and the financial meltdown to happen at the same time.</p><p>
Reversing a moving ship is harder than one that is sitting still....</p>
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            <title>Comment #12 by 2wheeler</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:17:52 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>deck chairs on the titanic?</strong></p><p>All the existing klunky models of Chrysler (and their brethren GM and Ford) seem to be like those deck chairs being rearranged while the ship is taking on water. &nbsp;</p><p>
This is the company that brought us the "K" car... </p><p>
Seems we need a new paradigm here, and I'm not sure a <strong>Jeep with tons of batteries on board to weigh it down further</strong> is going to convince the average Joe Sixpack to convert to sustainable transportation. &nbsp;Maybe if gas were $15 per gallon... (that's another post from today's gristmill)</p><p>
Seriously, how about converting these companies into transportation companies, with investments in light rail, and maybe coast-to-coast stocks of Flexcar-style vehicle network services in every voting precinct? &nbsp; </p><p>
I know there are workable electric vehicle concepts out there, including some that can be stacked to run like trains over longer distances... &nbsp;</p><p>
Meanwhile how about some market signals and incentives encouraging people to live within about 6 miles of their workplace, etc? &nbsp;Many of the lifestyle choices people take as fixed or given, need not be so in the end. &nbsp;20 years from now, will you care whether your commute to work was in a large or small car? &nbsp;Or whether the earth's climate and biodiversity and sustainability were protected?</p><p>
American know-how is capable of more. &nbsp;</p><p>
What would Bucky (Fuller) do?

<p>Moving toward sustainability with hopefulness, one revolution at a time.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>deck chairs on the titanic?</strong></p><p>All the existing klunky models of Chrysler (and their brethren GM and Ford) seem to be like those deck chairs being rearranged while the ship is taking on water. &nbsp;</p><p>
This is the company that brought us the "K" car... </p><p>
Seems we need a new paradigm here, and I'm not sure a <strong>Jeep with tons of batteries on board to weigh it down further</strong> is going to convince the average Joe Sixpack to convert to sustainable transportation. &nbsp;Maybe if gas were $15 per gallon... (that's another post from today's gristmill)</p><p>
Seriously, how about converting these companies into transportation companies, with investments in light rail, and maybe coast-to-coast stocks of Flexcar-style vehicle network services in every voting precinct? &nbsp; </p><p>
I know there are workable electric vehicle concepts out there, including some that can be stacked to run like trains over longer distances... &nbsp;</p><p>
Meanwhile how about some market signals and incentives encouraging people to live within about 6 miles of their workplace, etc? &nbsp;Many of the lifestyle choices people take as fixed or given, need not be so in the end. &nbsp;20 years from now, will you care whether your commute to work was in a large or small car? &nbsp;Or whether the earth's climate and biodiversity and sustainability were protected?</p><p>
American know-how is capable of more. &nbsp;</p><p>
What would Bucky (Fuller) do?

<p>Moving toward sustainability with hopefulness, one revolution at a time.</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #13 by gzuckier</title>
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				<p><strong>true patriots<p>is everybody supposed to have forgotten the 1993 Chrysler Patriot, Chrysler's last foray into efficient alternative powerplants? <p>
"The Patriot was heavily hyped, but then dropped without fanfare. ... Evan Boberg, in Common Sense Not Required, wrote that the Patriot never actually worked and had to be towed in its video (the tow truck, he said, was edited out). He also said that the flywheel - holding nearly the kinetic power of a truck at 100 mph - destroyed several test cells and killed an employee before being abandoned. "<br>
<a href="http://www.allpar.com/model/patriot.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.allpar.com/model/patriot.html<p>
Yeah, that makes me feel like giving them some money on the promise of electric Jeeps. <p>
Too bad, I think Chrysler deserves to live, they've always been very engineering-driven; hemispherical combustion chambers, torsion bars, etc.<br>
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				<p><strong>true patriots<p>is everybody supposed to have forgotten the 1993 Chrysler Patriot, Chrysler's last foray into efficient alternative powerplants? <p>
"The Patriot was heavily hyped, but then dropped without fanfare. ... Evan Boberg, in Common Sense Not Required, wrote that the Patriot never actually worked and had to be towed in its video (the tow truck, he said, was edited out). He also said that the flywheel - holding nearly the kinetic power of a truck at 100 mph - destroyed several test cells and killed an employee before being abandoned. "<br>
<a href="http://www.allpar.com/model/patriot.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.allpar.com/model/patriot.html<p>
Yeah, that makes me feel like giving them some money on the promise of electric Jeeps. <p>
Too bad, I think Chrysler deserves to live, they've always been very engineering-driven; hemispherical combustion chambers, torsion bars, etc.<br>
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            <title>Comment #14 by Bob Wallace</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/Chrysler-to-electrify-entire-product-line/</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:46:14 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>That's a good one...</strong></p><p>They deserve to live.</p><p>
But let's kill them because something that they tried 15 years ago didn't work.</p><p>
Got it....</p>
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				<p><strong>That's a good one...</strong></p><p>They deserve to live.</p><p>
But let's kill them because something that they tried 15 years ago didn't work.</p><p>
Got it....</p>
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            <title>Comment #15 by amazingdrx</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/Chrysler-to-electrify-entire-product-line/</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:09:18 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>All the technical and ...<p>Scientific issues are solved, it's just politics getting in the way of a comprehensive solution.<p>
Drop politics and examine the evidence, you'll see what I mean.<p>
We even have enough credit left to fund it.<p>
Let's hope Obama is thinking along these lines. &nbsp;Plenty of time to argue politics after climate disaster is averted and the economy is back on track.<p>
"What would Bucky (Fuller) do?"<p>
He actually had Chrysler set to manufacture the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dymaxion_car" rel="nofollow">Dymaxion car.<p>
He is kind of still doing what he always did, helping reinvent the world. &nbsp;His spirit lives on in his work.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog     John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin </p></p></a></p></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>All the technical and ...<p>Scientific issues are solved, it's just politics getting in the way of a comprehensive solution.<p>
Drop politics and examine the evidence, you'll see what I mean.<p>
We even have enough credit left to fund it.<p>
Let's hope Obama is thinking along these lines. &nbsp;Plenty of time to argue politics after climate disaster is averted and the economy is back on track.<p>
"What would Bucky (Fuller) do?"<p>
He actually had Chrysler set to manufacture the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dymaxion_car" rel="nofollow">Dymaxion car.<p>
He is kind of still doing what he always did, helping reinvent the world. &nbsp;His spirit lives on in his work.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog     John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin </p></p></a></p></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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