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            <title>Comment #1 by Ted Clayton</title>
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				<p><strong>Hunt, fish, forage &amp; garden</strong></p><p>Karl, you've made a great decision, and this is the start of a great adventure!</p><p>
Hunting &amp; fishing your own meat is not only awesome fun &amp; satisfaction, it yields the very healthiest &amp; lowest cost meat. &nbsp;Yes, you can always spend an unlimited amount of money to hunt &amp; fish (nothing unusual about $1,000/lb salmon), but my observation of people doing that is, that's what they headed out to do. &nbsp;No need for fancy boats, outboards, and spendy rifles ... and toss the Cabela's sports-wear catalog.</p><p>
Meat-wise, perhaps above all else principle-wise, hunting &amp; killing your own is the best ethical approach. &nbsp;I worry less about the pathogens &amp; toxins in factory-meat, than I do about the fact that I'm supporting an all-round nasty arrangement, and shirking the ultimate responsibility - which is killing what I'm going to eat.</p><p>
Most people know that hunting plugs straight into our essential, primal nature. &nbsp;Many, however, find themselves hugely surprised at the powerful responses that are triggered by foraging plant foods. &nbsp;Collecting botanical foods is probably the 800 pound sleeping gorilla. &nbsp;(Just watch the kids go bananas.)</p><p>
Yeah, I did San Diego in the Navy (admittedly, a long time ago) and I (still) have a good idea what would-be gatherers are up against. &nbsp;Don't break laws (even silly ones) to get food-plants, but don't get too locked in on ol' Euel Gibbons, either.</p><p>
There are cattle-raising districts where a major part of the forage is Prickly Pear cactus. &nbsp;They mount a big propane tank on a trailer, attach a long hose &amp; flame-thrower nozzle and singe the spines off a patch of the plants. &nbsp;Cows learn the sound of the flame-thrower and the smell of toasted spines and come at a trot from a great distance. &nbsp; Try the barbecue, or a little campfire. &nbsp;Even a lighter will work. &nbsp;(No, you can't really wash or brush the spines off effectively enough: for a tiny taste, peel.)</p><p>
Kelp is the #1 essential micro-nutrient source for animal-feed formulations, and has been for centuries. &nbsp;There is simply nothing else that covers health-optimization opportunities like seaweeds. &nbsp;Outstanding natural seasoning, too.</p><p>
Though San Diego is no foraging paradise, it is by no means a bust, either. &nbsp;Remember, all arid country shows dramatic plant-flushes, when the occasional rain or wet season arrives. &nbsp;Foraging is always 'boom &amp; bust' - learn to dry &amp; freeze &amp; can the windfalls.</p><p>
Finally, get off commercial water, and garden. Aim to buy your own piece of dirt, with water under the ground, and irrigate your own cultivations. &nbsp;Until then, yank the geraniums out your pots and get radishes going (the greens are great too). &nbsp;And, collect containers and start sprouting. &nbsp;Many seeds make outstanding sprouts, and are among the most inexpensive of foods. &nbsp;Sprouting is a great karma thing, too, (like killing ones' own meat), since it demands considerable humility to do the little chores in a timely way, in order to have quality sprouts. </p><p>
There ya go, Karl - see ya in the brush! </p>
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				<p><strong>Hunt, fish, forage &amp; garden</strong></p><p>Karl, you've made a great decision, and this is the start of a great adventure!</p><p>
Hunting &amp; fishing your own meat is not only awesome fun &amp; satisfaction, it yields the very healthiest &amp; lowest cost meat. &nbsp;Yes, you can always spend an unlimited amount of money to hunt &amp; fish (nothing unusual about $1,000/lb salmon), but my observation of people doing that is, that's what they headed out to do. &nbsp;No need for fancy boats, outboards, and spendy rifles ... and toss the Cabela's sports-wear catalog.</p><p>
Meat-wise, perhaps above all else principle-wise, hunting &amp; killing your own is the best ethical approach. &nbsp;I worry less about the pathogens &amp; toxins in factory-meat, than I do about the fact that I'm supporting an all-round nasty arrangement, and shirking the ultimate responsibility - which is killing what I'm going to eat.</p><p>
Most people know that hunting plugs straight into our essential, primal nature. &nbsp;Many, however, find themselves hugely surprised at the powerful responses that are triggered by foraging plant foods. &nbsp;Collecting botanical foods is probably the 800 pound sleeping gorilla. &nbsp;(Just watch the kids go bananas.)</p><p>
Yeah, I did San Diego in the Navy (admittedly, a long time ago) and I (still) have a good idea what would-be gatherers are up against. &nbsp;Don't break laws (even silly ones) to get food-plants, but don't get too locked in on ol' Euel Gibbons, either.</p><p>
There are cattle-raising districts where a major part of the forage is Prickly Pear cactus. &nbsp;They mount a big propane tank on a trailer, attach a long hose &amp; flame-thrower nozzle and singe the spines off a patch of the plants. &nbsp;Cows learn the sound of the flame-thrower and the smell of toasted spines and come at a trot from a great distance. &nbsp; Try the barbecue, or a little campfire. &nbsp;Even a lighter will work. &nbsp;(No, you can't really wash or brush the spines off effectively enough: for a tiny taste, peel.)</p><p>
Kelp is the #1 essential micro-nutrient source for animal-feed formulations, and has been for centuries. &nbsp;There is simply nothing else that covers health-optimization opportunities like seaweeds. &nbsp;Outstanding natural seasoning, too.</p><p>
Though San Diego is no foraging paradise, it is by no means a bust, either. &nbsp;Remember, all arid country shows dramatic plant-flushes, when the occasional rain or wet season arrives. &nbsp;Foraging is always 'boom &amp; bust' - learn to dry &amp; freeze &amp; can the windfalls.</p><p>
Finally, get off commercial water, and garden. Aim to buy your own piece of dirt, with water under the ground, and irrigate your own cultivations. &nbsp;Until then, yank the geraniums out your pots and get radishes going (the greens are great too). &nbsp;And, collect containers and start sprouting. &nbsp;Many seeds make outstanding sprouts, and are among the most inexpensive of foods. &nbsp;Sprouting is a great karma thing, too, (like killing ones' own meat), since it demands considerable humility to do the little chores in a timely way, in order to have quality sprouts. </p><p>
There ya go, Karl - see ya in the brush! </p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by sindark</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:22:26 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Good advice<p>All that is very useful, though I take issue with one element. Wesabe is awfully interested in gaining access to your electronic banking information. Given the poor information security at a lot of websites, and the potentially huge value of all that banking information, it seems sensible to run your own spreadsheet rather than count on a website like that to keep your information safe.

<p><a href="http://www.sindark.com/" rel="nofollow">a sibilant intake of breath</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Good advice<p>All that is very useful, though I take issue with one element. Wesabe is awfully interested in gaining access to your electronic banking information. Given the poor information security at a lot of websites, and the potentially huge value of all that banking information, it seems sensible to run your own spreadsheet rather than count on a website like that to keep your information safe.

<p><a href="http://www.sindark.com/" rel="nofollow">a sibilant intake of breath</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by mihan</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 03:20:54 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Another simple rule</strong></p><p>Similar to the "shop around the edges" rule is this: don't buy anything that you can eat right away without preparing it in any way. Good: eggs, flour, dried beans, raw meats, pasta, potatoes. Bad: cookies, deli food, bottled juices, etc. There will be exceptions: milk. Probably cheese and bread. But it's a good start. If you process/prepare it, you're not paying someone else to do it, and it's better for you anyway.</p>
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				<p><strong>Another simple rule</strong></p><p>Similar to the "shop around the edges" rule is this: don't buy anything that you can eat right away without preparing it in any way. Good: eggs, flour, dried beans, raw meats, pasta, potatoes. Bad: cookies, deli food, bottled juices, etc. There will be exceptions: milk. Probably cheese and bread. But it's a good start. If you process/prepare it, you're not paying someone else to do it, and it's better for you anyway.</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by The Green Dude</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:02:10 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Great List<p>You put together a pretty good list. Cutting out the amount of meat you eat is SUCH an easy way to save money. I' no vegan, but having beef more than 2 times a week is jut unnecessary (not to mention bad for you) <p>
Coupons are definitely another great way to save some scratch. I recommend this site - they have pretty good coupons on organic food, plus other green stuff that you might want to buy but is too expensive at regular price:<p>
<a href="http://www.sustainlane.com/green-saver-discount-coupons/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sustainlane.com/green-saver-discount-coupons/<br>


<p>Livin' la vida verde

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				<p><strong>Great List<p>You put together a pretty good list. Cutting out the amount of meat you eat is SUCH an easy way to save money. I' no vegan, but having beef more than 2 times a week is jut unnecessary (not to mention bad for you) <p>
Coupons are definitely another great way to save some scratch. I recommend this site - they have pretty good coupons on organic food, plus other green stuff that you might want to buy but is too expensive at regular price:<p>
<a href="http://www.sustainlane.com/green-saver-discount-coupons/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sustainlane.com/green-saver-discount-coupons/<br>


<p>Livin' la vida verde

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            <title>Comment #5 by CyberBrook</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:11:00 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>lots of good advice in this article...<p><b>lots of good advice in this article...as for me, eco-eating (<a href="http://www.brook.com/veg" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">http://www.brook.com/veg) is the way to go! 

<p>Eco-Eating: Eating as if the Earth Matters at 
<a href="http://www.brook.com/veg" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">http://www.brook.com/veg</a></p></a></b></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>lots of good advice in this article...<p><b>lots of good advice in this article...as for me, eco-eating (<a href="http://www.brook.com/veg" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">http://www.brook.com/veg) is the way to go! 

<p>Eco-Eating: Eating as if the Earth Matters at 
<a href="http://www.brook.com/veg" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">http://www.brook.com/veg</a></p></a></b></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by carrieschneider</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 01:07:36 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Foraging on the highway<p>Believe it or not, it is possible to eat Cal-Trans favorite median-cover, commonly known as iceplant (Carpobrotus edulis). It makes great pickles! It's an invasive plant in SoCal, and Preserve Calavera made pickles as an "Eat the Invasives" fundraiser a couple years back. They were delicious....<p>
<a href="http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Carpobrotus+edulis" rel="nofollow">http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Carpobrotus+eduli ...<br>
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				<p><strong>Foraging on the highway<p>Believe it or not, it is possible to eat Cal-Trans favorite median-cover, commonly known as iceplant (Carpobrotus edulis). It makes great pickles! It's an invasive plant in SoCal, and Preserve Calavera made pickles as an "Eat the Invasives" fundraiser a couple years back. They were delicious....<p>
<a href="http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Carpobrotus+edulis" rel="nofollow">http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Carpobrotus+eduli ...<br>
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            <title>Comment #7 by Ted Clayton</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 04:08:34 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>No more lead!</strong></p><p>Cool, Carrie!</p><p>
In forested &amp; rural areas, roadsides are major foraging-habitat (not much under heavy timber) ... but in the old days we just left those berries for the birds. &nbsp;"They put lead in gasoline, ya know?!"</p><p>
Now, (we banned lead in WA, oh, maybe a decade back), the old rule of thumb is being relaxed. &nbsp;If you're going to sell berries though (Rubus ursinus, $30+/gal - mmm!) you still have to stay back from roads (find unused logging roads, and clearcuts).</p><p>
.. But as a tactic for eliminating invasive species, the pickles may serve mainly to get people over their self-conscious inhibition against picking along the roads. &nbsp;;-)<br>
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				<p><strong>No more lead!</strong></p><p>Cool, Carrie!</p><p>
In forested &amp; rural areas, roadsides are major foraging-habitat (not much under heavy timber) ... but in the old days we just left those berries for the birds. &nbsp;"They put lead in gasoline, ya know?!"</p><p>
Now, (we banned lead in WA, oh, maybe a decade back), the old rule of thumb is being relaxed. &nbsp;If you're going to sell berries though (Rubus ursinus, $30+/gal - mmm!) you still have to stay back from roads (find unused logging roads, and clearcuts).</p><p>
.. But as a tactic for eliminating invasive species, the pickles may serve mainly to get people over their self-conscious inhibition against picking along the roads. &nbsp;;-)<br>
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            <title>Comment #8 by Tierra Miguel Farm</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 07:25:53 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>CSA's in Southern CA<p>Karl, a great resource to locate farms, farmer markets and other producers and distributors of local, organic produce is <a href="http://www.localharvest.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.localharvest.org &nbsp;<br>
If you get to know your farmer, you'll know what's in your food and she/he is more likely to give you the occasional discount for repeat business.</br></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>CSA's in Southern CA<p>Karl, a great resource to locate farms, farmer markets and other producers and distributors of local, organic produce is <a href="http://www.localharvest.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.localharvest.org &nbsp;<br>
If you get to know your farmer, you'll know what's in your food and she/he is more likely to give you the occasional discount for repeat business.</br></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by PermieWriter</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 16:22:53 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Farm markets<p>Farm market regulars know when they see a good deal. If you get to your local market frequently, you'll be able to spot the great bargains (particularly on end-of-season produce). That kind of bounty makes for a busy day of processing then much produce to fill that freezer. I'm not sure what I'd do without my quart jars of pumpkin, tomatoes and berries throughout the winter.<p>
BTW, make sure the freezer isn't too old or you'll be paying more for electricity to keep it cold than you're saving on bulk cow. Keeping old fridges and freezers is generally a poor economy. We bought a second-hand chest freezer with Energy Star-like specs and filled the bottom with (carefully punctured) plastic water bottles. The extra thermal mass keep the temperature steady and our energy use down.

<p><a href="http://garden2table.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Eat what you grow, grow what you eat</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Farm markets<p>Farm market regulars know when they see a good deal. If you get to your local market frequently, you'll be able to spot the great bargains (particularly on end-of-season produce). That kind of bounty makes for a busy day of processing then much produce to fill that freezer. I'm not sure what I'd do without my quart jars of pumpkin, tomatoes and berries throughout the winter.<p>
BTW, make sure the freezer isn't too old or you'll be paying more for electricity to keep it cold than you're saving on bulk cow. Keeping old fridges and freezers is generally a poor economy. We bought a second-hand chest freezer with Energy Star-like specs and filled the bottom with (carefully punctured) plastic water bottles. The extra thermal mass keep the temperature steady and our energy use down.

<p><a href="http://garden2table.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Eat what you grow, grow what you eat</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by fmiller</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 00:03:39 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>CSAs</strong></p><p>My husband and I are members of a CSA in Vermont, where we pay roughly $45 a week for a share. At first it seemed a small fortune for just two people, but after doing it for several years, we have discovered that we spend very little else every week unless we go out, and $45 a week is a bargain for two people. Ours is a terrific CSA in which the farmer gives us a large bag of veg (mostly roots at this time of year, but he does sprouts, too) and supplements it with other locally grown and made products from surrounding farmers, so we'll get a loaf of bread, a pot of yoghurt, a hunk of cheese, a bag of mushrooms, a thing of maple syrup, eggs, etc. (Not all at once, but a selection of so-called "localvore" items each week.) I wonder if there are such ingenious CSAs elsewhere? I hope so.</p><p>
In the past we have bought things like oats, dried beans, and various other grains in bulk from farmers at ridiculously cheap prices (turns out you don't need quite as many beans as you think you do...large bag of Jacob's cattle beans, anyone?), so we are able to supplement our share with those, plus stuff we grew last summer that we have in the freezer or the basement, and half a lamb that we bought relatively inexpensively from a local farm that we keep in the freezer. </p><p>
At the risk of sounding like a smug organic-type, my point is that we eat extremely well and remarkably cheaply. The only downside (which happens to be an upside for me, as I like to cook) is that you spend a fair amount of time cooking and washing up when you eat like this. &nbsp;But it keeps you busy so you're not out spending money on other things...</p><p>
Hope you can find a great CSA in SoCal, Karl. Some farmers (like ours) let you pay in installments, too, so you don't have to put all the money out up front.</p><p>
- Trying-not-to-be-smug-in-VT (and really, who can be smug while wearing gloves, scarf, hat, long underwear and two pairs of socks inside the house?)</p>
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				<p><strong>CSAs</strong></p><p>My husband and I are members of a CSA in Vermont, where we pay roughly $45 a week for a share. At first it seemed a small fortune for just two people, but after doing it for several years, we have discovered that we spend very little else every week unless we go out, and $45 a week is a bargain for two people. Ours is a terrific CSA in which the farmer gives us a large bag of veg (mostly roots at this time of year, but he does sprouts, too) and supplements it with other locally grown and made products from surrounding farmers, so we'll get a loaf of bread, a pot of yoghurt, a hunk of cheese, a bag of mushrooms, a thing of maple syrup, eggs, etc. (Not all at once, but a selection of so-called "localvore" items each week.) I wonder if there are such ingenious CSAs elsewhere? I hope so.</p><p>
In the past we have bought things like oats, dried beans, and various other grains in bulk from farmers at ridiculously cheap prices (turns out you don't need quite as many beans as you think you do...large bag of Jacob's cattle beans, anyone?), so we are able to supplement our share with those, plus stuff we grew last summer that we have in the freezer or the basement, and half a lamb that we bought relatively inexpensively from a local farm that we keep in the freezer. </p><p>
At the risk of sounding like a smug organic-type, my point is that we eat extremely well and remarkably cheaply. The only downside (which happens to be an upside for me, as I like to cook) is that you spend a fair amount of time cooking and washing up when you eat like this. &nbsp;But it keeps you busy so you're not out spending money on other things...</p><p>
Hope you can find a great CSA in SoCal, Karl. Some farmers (like ours) let you pay in installments, too, so you don't have to put all the money out up front.</p><p>
- Trying-not-to-be-smug-in-VT (and really, who can be smug while wearing gloves, scarf, hat, long underwear and two pairs of socks inside the house?)</p>
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            <title>Comment #11 by Laura K</title>
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				<p><strong>foraging</strong></p><p>This is a great article and comments, but foraging for food is not a good idea unless you're very knowledgeable about a) the plants you're looking for and any potential look-alike POISONOUS plants, b) the way the land is managed, and c) whether or not it is legal to do what you're doing. &nbsp;For example, foraging on most public lands in the US is strictly illegal in order to preserve the habitat (take only photos, leave only footprints). Foraging along highways is not a good idea despite the fact that gasoline is no longer leaded. Think of all the gross things you see on roads, such as leaking oil and other vehicle fluids. All that stuff washes off onto the roadside vegetation, especially if the median is sunken. Some transportation agencies also maintain medians with pesticides and herbicides. </p><p>
One really great way to get free organic produce, especially in California, that hasn't been mentioned yet is to scope out your neighborhood for homes with fruit trees in their yards (lemons, oranges, plums, cherries, etc). Many homeowners are happy to have you come and pick the fruit as it ripens so that they don't have to pick up the fruit as it rots on the ground under the tree. Try leaving a note in the mailbox with your phone number and an offer to pick fruit at the owner's convenience. It's even more attractive to the homeowner if you team up with a bunch of friends (or make it a service project for a school or local shelter) so that you can take away fruit in bulk and make fewer visits. You may have to invest in a ladder or fruit-picker tool. </p>
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				<p><strong>foraging</strong></p><p>This is a great article and comments, but foraging for food is not a good idea unless you're very knowledgeable about a) the plants you're looking for and any potential look-alike POISONOUS plants, b) the way the land is managed, and c) whether or not it is legal to do what you're doing. &nbsp;For example, foraging on most public lands in the US is strictly illegal in order to preserve the habitat (take only photos, leave only footprints). Foraging along highways is not a good idea despite the fact that gasoline is no longer leaded. Think of all the gross things you see on roads, such as leaking oil and other vehicle fluids. All that stuff washes off onto the roadside vegetation, especially if the median is sunken. Some transportation agencies also maintain medians with pesticides and herbicides. </p><p>
One really great way to get free organic produce, especially in California, that hasn't been mentioned yet is to scope out your neighborhood for homes with fruit trees in their yards (lemons, oranges, plums, cherries, etc). Many homeowners are happy to have you come and pick the fruit as it ripens so that they don't have to pick up the fruit as it rots on the ground under the tree. Try leaving a note in the mailbox with your phone number and an offer to pick fruit at the owner's convenience. It's even more attractive to the homeowner if you team up with a bunch of friends (or make it a service project for a school or local shelter) so that you can take away fruit in bulk and make fewer visits. You may have to invest in a ladder or fruit-picker tool. </p>
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            <title>Comment #12 by J4zonian</title>
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				<p><strong>A great bunch of suggestions!<p>Much better than this: <p>
<a href="http://www.chelseagreen.com/content/index.php?p=1898" rel="nofollow">http://www.chelseagreen.com/content/index.php?p=1898 <p>
I'd change the order (vegetarianism at the top, gardening second) and I'd add 'political action to make our food/ag system healthier', as it will also will make you healthier, as depression and despair and all the physical problems that go with them (decreased immune functioning, eg) are reduced by action. And btw, both vegetarianism and gardening count as political action, though they aren't enough alone. Giving money to your political opponents (corporations) doesn't make sense, and any way to avoid that is a leap forward. <p>
But that couponing? It's far more likely to waste money, buying things corporations want you to buy that you don't need or want. Even though you save a few cents, in a whole systems approach, you spend more dollars. </p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>A great bunch of suggestions!<p>Much better than this: <p>
<a href="http://www.chelseagreen.com/content/index.php?p=1898" rel="nofollow">http://www.chelseagreen.com/content/index.php?p=1898 <p>
I'd change the order (vegetarianism at the top, gardening second) and I'd add 'political action to make our food/ag system healthier', as it will also will make you healthier, as depression and despair and all the physical problems that go with them (decreased immune functioning, eg) are reduced by action. And btw, both vegetarianism and gardening count as political action, though they aren't enough alone. Giving money to your political opponents (corporations) doesn't make sense, and any way to avoid that is a leap forward. <p>
But that couponing? It's far more likely to waste money, buying things corporations want you to buy that you don't need or want. Even though you save a few cents, in a whole systems approach, you spend more dollars. </p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #13 by lovin homemade</title>
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				<p><strong>Making your own lunchmeat</strong></p><p>I have allergies to milk and soy and I have to be careful as to what is in my food. &nbsp;This makes life very difficult. &nbsp;I can't buy most processed foods. &nbsp;I make my own lunchmeat to control what is in them. &nbsp;I invested in a meat cutter and I buy beef roasts, ham, turkey, etc. &nbsp;I find a recipe I think would make a great lunch meat and make it. &nbsp;I try to make more than one type of meat at a time so I don't get bored with it. &nbsp;I then slice it (cutting any meat away from any bones) and weight it out into pounds and freeze it. &nbsp;I pull out a pound at a time and I've got a quick and tasty lunch. &nbsp;Depending on the size of your family depends on how often you need to make roasts. &nbsp;I only have to do this once every couple of months, but it is also just me and my husband. &nbsp;By doing this I get better than organic lunchmeat and I pay way less per finished pound than I would per pound at the deli counter.</p><p>
Oh by the way this is oh so much better when you make your own bread. ;0)</p>
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				<p><strong>Making your own lunchmeat</strong></p><p>I have allergies to milk and soy and I have to be careful as to what is in my food. &nbsp;This makes life very difficult. &nbsp;I can't buy most processed foods. &nbsp;I make my own lunchmeat to control what is in them. &nbsp;I invested in a meat cutter and I buy beef roasts, ham, turkey, etc. &nbsp;I find a recipe I think would make a great lunch meat and make it. &nbsp;I try to make more than one type of meat at a time so I don't get bored with it. &nbsp;I then slice it (cutting any meat away from any bones) and weight it out into pounds and freeze it. &nbsp;I pull out a pound at a time and I've got a quick and tasty lunch. &nbsp;Depending on the size of your family depends on how often you need to make roasts. &nbsp;I only have to do this once every couple of months, but it is also just me and my husband. &nbsp;By doing this I get better than organic lunchmeat and I pay way less per finished pound than I would per pound at the deli counter.</p><p>
Oh by the way this is oh so much better when you make your own bread. ;0)</p>
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            <title>Comment #14 by willa</title>
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				<p><strong>Save even more</strong></p><p>The cited 20% saving for bulk purchasing over packaged can easily be increased. &nbsp;Just order the whole container, whatever they'd empty into the bulk bin. &nbsp;Flour and rice in 20- to 40-lb bags, etc, are usually at least 10% cheaper per lb than the same product scooped out of the bins. &nbsp;If you have enough storage, it's a real savings. &nbsp;Just make sure to keep all products in airtight containers, and if you have spare room in a large freezer, keep frozen anything you won't use within a few months.</p><p>
Both Whole Foods and my local health food place offer this discount. &nbsp;In fact, the local store also offers discounts on cases of products--anything from body lotion to Quorn patties, I just let them know what I want and they call me when it comes and give me a discount! &nbsp;I don't know if this exists anywhere else, though.</p>
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				<p><strong>Save even more</strong></p><p>The cited 20% saving for bulk purchasing over packaged can easily be increased. &nbsp;Just order the whole container, whatever they'd empty into the bulk bin. &nbsp;Flour and rice in 20- to 40-lb bags, etc, are usually at least 10% cheaper per lb than the same product scooped out of the bins. &nbsp;If you have enough storage, it's a real savings. &nbsp;Just make sure to keep all products in airtight containers, and if you have spare room in a large freezer, keep frozen anything you won't use within a few months.</p><p>
Both Whole Foods and my local health food place offer this discount. &nbsp;In fact, the local store also offers discounts on cases of products--anything from body lotion to Quorn patties, I just let them know what I want and they call me when it comes and give me a discount! &nbsp;I don't know if this exists anywhere else, though.</p>
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            <title>Comment #15 by GreenEye</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 07:42:14 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Choices &amp; Resources<p>Thanks Lou. Great topic and lots of good resources.<br>
I think one of the important things to consider when trying to identify what foods are and are not good for you -and- what can fit within a budget, is to try to identify what foods are likely to be the safest, and conversely, which ones are the most dangerous. That includes identifying as much as possible what sources of food are the safest. Keep in mind that not every food store or resource has benefits or problems across the board. Some may have terrible produce and excellent meat for instance. <br>
What are your personal choices? Are you concerned with every possible contaminant in your food, or are you trying to increase the overall quality of what you eat in general while not breaking the bank? Is 80% good enough? Identify how much you're willing to put up with. If you have babies or young children should also enter into your decisions.<br>
In our family we buy all of our fruit and vegetables from coops, have cut down on meat, and when we do buy meat, we purchase it from stores where we have a confidence in the quality of the product. We also eat some fish. Because we don't have any younger children we feel this is safe in small doses.<br>
As far as the foraging in a median, I have to agree with Laura; if you ever visit a northern region in the winter, just look at the snow 15 or 20 feet away from a freeway. Yuk! (or as we Minnesotans say, Ish.)<br>
Here are a few great resources that we use: <br>
Almost 300 excellent healthful meal recipes: <a href="http://www.valleynaturalfoods.com/MealSolutions.cgi" rel="nofollow">Valley Natural Foods Recipes<br>
For those that need gluten-free, they also have almost 3 dozen recipes here: <a href="http://www.valleynaturalfoods.com/GlutenFreeRecipes.cgi" rel="nofollow">VNF Gluten Free  <br>
(They also have great coupons: <a href="http://www.valleynaturalfoods.com/specials.shtml" rel="nofollow">VNF Coupons &amp; Specials)<br>
If you live in the Twin Cities, they have a great store.<br>
If you do eat fish, here are a few places where you can figure out which fish are the safest to eat with regard to mercury levels:<br>
<a href="http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~frf/sea-mehg.html" rel="nofollow">Mercury Levels in Fish<br>
<a href="http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/admehg3.html" rel="nofollow">About Mercury in Fish<br>
<a href="http://www.epa.gov/mercury/advisories.htm" rel="nofollow">EPA Fish Advisories<br>
If you want to know what those "green" labels actually mean, here are two sites that explain it:<br>
<a href="http://www.greenerchoices.org/eco-labels/eco-home.cfm" rel="nofollow">Greener Choices<br>
<a href="http://fnic.nal.usda.gov/nal_display/index.php?info_center=4&amp;tax_level=2&amp;tax_subject=273&amp;topic_id=1318" rel="nofollow">USDA<br>
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				<p><strong>Choices &amp; Resources<p>Thanks Lou. Great topic and lots of good resources.<br>
I think one of the important things to consider when trying to identify what foods are and are not good for you -and- what can fit within a budget, is to try to identify what foods are likely to be the safest, and conversely, which ones are the most dangerous. That includes identifying as much as possible what sources of food are the safest. Keep in mind that not every food store or resource has benefits or problems across the board. Some may have terrible produce and excellent meat for instance. <br>
What are your personal choices? Are you concerned with every possible contaminant in your food, or are you trying to increase the overall quality of what you eat in general while not breaking the bank? Is 80% good enough? Identify how much you're willing to put up with. If you have babies or young children should also enter into your decisions.<br>
In our family we buy all of our fruit and vegetables from coops, have cut down on meat, and when we do buy meat, we purchase it from stores where we have a confidence in the quality of the product. We also eat some fish. Because we don't have any younger children we feel this is safe in small doses.<br>
As far as the foraging in a median, I have to agree with Laura; if you ever visit a northern region in the winter, just look at the snow 15 or 20 feet away from a freeway. Yuk! (or as we Minnesotans say, Ish.)<br>
Here are a few great resources that we use: <br>
Almost 300 excellent healthful meal recipes: <a href="http://www.valleynaturalfoods.com/MealSolutions.cgi" rel="nofollow">Valley Natural Foods Recipes<br>
For those that need gluten-free, they also have almost 3 dozen recipes here: <a href="http://www.valleynaturalfoods.com/GlutenFreeRecipes.cgi" rel="nofollow">VNF Gluten Free  <br>
(They also have great coupons: <a href="http://www.valleynaturalfoods.com/specials.shtml" rel="nofollow">VNF Coupons &amp; Specials)<br>
If you live in the Twin Cities, they have a great store.<br>
If you do eat fish, here are a few places where you can figure out which fish are the safest to eat with regard to mercury levels:<br>
<a href="http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~frf/sea-mehg.html" rel="nofollow">Mercury Levels in Fish<br>
<a href="http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/admehg3.html" rel="nofollow">About Mercury in Fish<br>
<a href="http://www.epa.gov/mercury/advisories.htm" rel="nofollow">EPA Fish Advisories<br>
If you want to know what those "green" labels actually mean, here are two sites that explain it:<br>
<a href="http://www.greenerchoices.org/eco-labels/eco-home.cfm" rel="nofollow">Greener Choices<br>
<a href="http://fnic.nal.usda.gov/nal_display/index.php?info_center=4&amp;tax_level=2&amp;tax_subject=273&amp;topic_id=1318" rel="nofollow">USDA<br>
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            <title>Comment #16 by ddietike</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:29:37 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>great column!<p>Since most of us are experiencing some kind of economic hardship, it is very helpful to get advice on we can still eat green, organic, and healthy despite having empty pockets! I also loved the suggestion to cut meat out of our diets, as temporary breaks from meat can actually be very healthy.<p>
If you have time, anyone can check out my blog <a href="http://healthylivingaz.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">Healthy Living AZ which is all about healthy food and exercise around Arizona!</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>great column!<p>Since most of us are experiencing some kind of economic hardship, it is very helpful to get advice on we can still eat green, organic, and healthy despite having empty pockets! I also loved the suggestion to cut meat out of our diets, as temporary breaks from meat can actually be very healthy.<p>
If you have time, anyone can check out my blog <a href="http://healthylivingaz.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">Healthy Living AZ which is all about healthy food and exercise around Arizona!</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #17 by rehillo</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:35:06 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>grocery discounters<p>I don't know what stores they have in CA, but in Pennsylvania there's a grocery outlet store called Amelia's that often carries lots of steeply discounted organic products(Kashi cereals and snacks, juices, etc) in addition to other food. Check it out at <a href="http://www.ameliasgroceryoutlet.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ameliasgroceryoutlet.com &nbsp;It might be worth it to look for similar stores locally. It's made it a lot easier to feed my family of five organic fare on a budget.<p>
And thanks, Lou, for a great column.</p></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>grocery discounters<p>I don't know what stores they have in CA, but in Pennsylvania there's a grocery outlet store called Amelia's that often carries lots of steeply discounted organic products(Kashi cereals and snacks, juices, etc) in addition to other food. Check it out at <a href="http://www.ameliasgroceryoutlet.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ameliasgroceryoutlet.com &nbsp;It might be worth it to look for similar stores locally. It's made it a lot easier to feed my family of five organic fare on a budget.<p>
And thanks, Lou, for a great column.</p></a></p></strong></p>
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