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            <title>Comment #1 by Erik Hoffner</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 00:58:32 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>picturesque<p>Great idea to build awareness of this important number. Besides the straightforward interpretations of 350 like the cyclists, etc, I think Bill's right that this can be tremendous in terms of the opportunities for blending the arts with activism - the conceptual framework of 350 can be overlaid on all sorts of popular art from visual to sculptural and performance, increasing the avenues to reach new people.<p>
Erik

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				<p><strong>picturesque<p>Great idea to build awareness of this important number. Besides the straightforward interpretations of 350 like the cyclists, etc, I think Bill's right that this can be tremendous in terms of the opportunities for blending the arts with activism - the conceptual framework of 350 can be overlaid on all sorts of popular art from visual to sculptural and performance, increasing the avenues to reach new people.<p>
Erik

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            <title>Comment #2 by Jon Rynn</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 02:32:30 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>&quot;Global&quot; is necessary...</strong></p><p>...even if very ambitious. &nbsp;Gore mentioned the need for a global movement in his recent TED speech. &nbsp;The next leap -- a global political movement, that would push for similar legislation all around the world. &nbsp;Now, I think that legislation should involve direct government build-up of renewable technologies, involving trillions of dollars, since we don't have much time...but I would imagine most would first push for some form of carbon pricing.</p>
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				<p><strong>&quot;Global&quot; is necessary...</strong></p><p>...even if very ambitious. &nbsp;Gore mentioned the need for a global movement in his recent TED speech. &nbsp;The next leap -- a global political movement, that would push for similar legislation all around the world. &nbsp;Now, I think that legislation should involve direct government build-up of renewable technologies, involving trillions of dollars, since we don't have much time...but I would imagine most would first push for some form of carbon pricing.</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Jason D Scorse</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 02:57:47 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Bill will be on a panel at the Monterey Institute.<p>on Wednesday the 23rd at 6:00 PM along with scholars and journalists. It's free and open to the public. <p>
<a href="http://policy.miis.edu/programs/maiep_events.html" rel="nofollow">http://policy.miis.edu/programs/maiep_events.html

<p>I teach environmental economics and blog at <a href="http://www.voicesofreason.info" rel="nofollow">http://www.voicesofreason.info.</a></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Bill will be on a panel at the Monterey Institute.<p>on Wednesday the 23rd at 6:00 PM along with scholars and journalists. It's free and open to the public. <p>
<a href="http://policy.miis.edu/programs/maiep_events.html" rel="nofollow">http://policy.miis.edu/programs/maiep_events.html

<p>I teach environmental economics and blog at <a href="http://www.voicesofreason.info" rel="nofollow">http://www.voicesofreason.info.</a></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by lorna salzman</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 05:57:10 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Bill McKibben 350 campaign</strong></p><p>Dear Bill: How does the 350 campaign translate into action? Do you have specific proposals and positions that you want the public to support and which you want put into legislative form in congress? I ask these questions once again after seeing the wonderful fervor of Step It Up and the less fervent lack of follow-up. Our adversaries are in congress daily, where they have been for years, promoting toothless "remedies" for global warming that avoid disturbing fossil fuel interests or Business As Usual or even inconveniencing the American public too much. For example, it is abundantly clear that we must curb energy growth and find replacements for coal and oil. But as long as we accept the carbon trading scam, avoid carbon taxes, continue fossil fuel subsidies and lack broad mandatory efficiency standards and measures, we will lose the battle. The energy legislation that passed congress does none of these. Moreover, we have adversarial friends like Adam Werbach, and Nordhaus and Shellenberger who tell us we don't have to make drastic changes in our life styles; we just need to tweak our purchasing choices a little. Your idea is commendable but without the public behind SPECIFIC LEGISLATIVE AND INSTITUTIONAL REFORMS nothing will change. Politicians follow; they don't lead. We need a huge constituency behind tough energy positions, starting with a &nbsp;ban on new coal fired plants and a rapid phase-out of existing coal plants. Unless this happens, cap and trade will remain the modus operandi and the coal utilities and mining interests will continue to dominate our energy policies. Will you take the lead in developing a real constituency for radical change? Will you focus on stopping coal as &nbsp;your top priority, so that renewables and efficiency have a level playing field to attract investment? Let's table the generalities about "taking action" and put those brass tacks on the table. This is a political movement, and as such has to have clarity and purpose. I hope you can provide both of these. </p>
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				<p><strong>Bill McKibben 350 campaign</strong></p><p>Dear Bill: How does the 350 campaign translate into action? Do you have specific proposals and positions that you want the public to support and which you want put into legislative form in congress? I ask these questions once again after seeing the wonderful fervor of Step It Up and the less fervent lack of follow-up. Our adversaries are in congress daily, where they have been for years, promoting toothless "remedies" for global warming that avoid disturbing fossil fuel interests or Business As Usual or even inconveniencing the American public too much. For example, it is abundantly clear that we must curb energy growth and find replacements for coal and oil. But as long as we accept the carbon trading scam, avoid carbon taxes, continue fossil fuel subsidies and lack broad mandatory efficiency standards and measures, we will lose the battle. The energy legislation that passed congress does none of these. Moreover, we have adversarial friends like Adam Werbach, and Nordhaus and Shellenberger who tell us we don't have to make drastic changes in our life styles; we just need to tweak our purchasing choices a little. Your idea is commendable but without the public behind SPECIFIC LEGISLATIVE AND INSTITUTIONAL REFORMS nothing will change. Politicians follow; they don't lead. We need a huge constituency behind tough energy positions, starting with a &nbsp;ban on new coal fired plants and a rapid phase-out of existing coal plants. Unless this happens, cap and trade will remain the modus operandi and the coal utilities and mining interests will continue to dominate our energy policies. Will you take the lead in developing a real constituency for radical change? Will you focus on stopping coal as &nbsp;your top priority, so that renewables and efficiency have a level playing field to attract investment? Let's table the generalities about "taking action" and put those brass tacks on the table. This is a political movement, and as such has to have clarity and purpose. I hope you can provide both of these. </p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by lorna salzman</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 05:58:44 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Bill McKibben 350 campaign</strong></p><p>Dear Bill: How does the 350 campaign translate into action? Do you have specific proposals and positions that you want the public to support and which you want put into legislative form in congress? I ask these questions once again after seeing the wonderful fervor of Step It Up and the less fervent lack of follow-up. Our adversaries are in congress daily, where they have been for years, promoting toothless "remedies" for global warming that avoid disturbing fossil fuel interests or Business As Usual or even inconveniencing the American public too much. For example, it is abundantly clear that we must curb energy growth and find replacements for coal and oil. But as long as we accept the carbon trading scam, avoid carbon taxes, continue fossil fuel subsidies and lack broad mandatory efficiency standards and measures, we will lose the battle. The energy legislation that passed congress does none of these. Moreover, we have adversarial friends like Adam Werbach, and Nordhaus and Shellenberger who tell us we don't have to make drastic changes in our life styles; we just need to tweak our purchasing choices a little. Your idea is commendable but without the public behind SPECIFIC LEGISLATIVE AND INSTITUTIONAL REFORMS nothing will change. Politicians follow; they don't lead. We need a huge constituency behind tough energy positions, starting with a &nbsp;ban on new coal fired plants and a rapid phase-out of existing coal plants. Unless this happens, cap and trade will remain the modus operandi and the coal utilities and mining interests will continue to dominate our energy policies. Will you take the lead in developing a real constituency for radical change? Will you focus on stopping coal as &nbsp;your top priority, so that renewables and efficiency have a level playing field to attract investment? Let's table the generalities about "taking action" and put those brass tacks on the table. This is a political movement, and as such has to have clarity and purpose. I hope you can provide both of these. </p>
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				<p><strong>Bill McKibben 350 campaign</strong></p><p>Dear Bill: How does the 350 campaign translate into action? Do you have specific proposals and positions that you want the public to support and which you want put into legislative form in congress? I ask these questions once again after seeing the wonderful fervor of Step It Up and the less fervent lack of follow-up. Our adversaries are in congress daily, where they have been for years, promoting toothless "remedies" for global warming that avoid disturbing fossil fuel interests or Business As Usual or even inconveniencing the American public too much. For example, it is abundantly clear that we must curb energy growth and find replacements for coal and oil. But as long as we accept the carbon trading scam, avoid carbon taxes, continue fossil fuel subsidies and lack broad mandatory efficiency standards and measures, we will lose the battle. The energy legislation that passed congress does none of these. Moreover, we have adversarial friends like Adam Werbach, and Nordhaus and Shellenberger who tell us we don't have to make drastic changes in our life styles; we just need to tweak our purchasing choices a little. Your idea is commendable but without the public behind SPECIFIC LEGISLATIVE AND INSTITUTIONAL REFORMS nothing will change. Politicians follow; they don't lead. We need a huge constituency behind tough energy positions, starting with a &nbsp;ban on new coal fired plants and a rapid phase-out of existing coal plants. Unless this happens, cap and trade will remain the modus operandi and the coal utilities and mining interests will continue to dominate our energy policies. Will you take the lead in developing a real constituency for radical change? Will you focus on stopping coal as &nbsp;your top priority, so that renewables and efficiency have a level playing field to attract investment? Let's table the generalities about "taking action" and put those brass tacks on the table. This is a political movement, and as such has to have clarity and purpose. I hope you can provide both of these. </p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by Pangolin</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:06:23 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Alarmism!!<p>Let me play devils advocate for a minute.<p>
There are lots of green and "BLUE" activists who post on this board that don't see a need for a radical departure from our current lifestyles. Surely we can meet reasonable emissions goals with sensible shopping choices and comfortable changes to existing lifestyles.<p>
In order to get to 350 ppm CO2 all carbon emissions would have to cease and/or be offset by effective carbon sequestration. That would mean no flying, no driving gas or diesel cars, no gas heat, no oil heat and no coal or natural gas power plants.<p>
The only other method would involve burial of billions of tons of biochar yearly or some equivalent method of pulling CO2 from the atmosphere and mineralizing it. Given the existing atmospheric carbon load that means burying over 1.5 pounds of char for every pound of coal burned yearly.<p>
Who would pay for it and how do we get there? Given the constraints isn't this goal unrealistic? What are we offering people that is worth giving up their cars? What's the downside of ignoring you? <br>


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				<p><strong>Alarmism!!<p>Let me play devils advocate for a minute.<p>
There are lots of green and "BLUE" activists who post on this board that don't see a need for a radical departure from our current lifestyles. Surely we can meet reasonable emissions goals with sensible shopping choices and comfortable changes to existing lifestyles.<p>
In order to get to 350 ppm CO2 all carbon emissions would have to cease and/or be offset by effective carbon sequestration. That would mean no flying, no driving gas or diesel cars, no gas heat, no oil heat and no coal or natural gas power plants.<p>
The only other method would involve burial of billions of tons of biochar yearly or some equivalent method of pulling CO2 from the atmosphere and mineralizing it. Given the existing atmospheric carbon load that means burying over 1.5 pounds of char for every pound of coal burned yearly.<p>
Who would pay for it and how do we get there? Given the constraints isn't this goal unrealistic? What are we offering people that is worth giving up their cars? What's the downside of ignoring you? <br>


<p><a href="http://putcarbonback.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Put  the Carbon Back</a></p></br></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by Jon Rynn</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:11:23 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>and stop deforestation...<p>...but it's easy to forget something. &nbsp;To be fair (?), the 350.org website seems to be a work-in-progress -- although for historical reference, you might like to know that I got into a <a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/5/25/94241/3393" rel="nofollow">discussion with the step it up people last year....maybe another one is in order?</a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>and stop deforestation...<p>...but it's easy to forget something. &nbsp;To be fair (?), the 350.org website seems to be a work-in-progress -- although for historical reference, you might like to know that I got into a <a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/5/25/94241/3393" rel="nofollow">discussion with the step it up people last year....maybe another one is in order?</a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by JMG</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:17:49 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>How about 350/5?</strong></p><p>We can get to 350 in time, without chaos, if we start NOW, with everyone at every level in the North (individually, organizationally, municipally, nationally) cutting emissions 5% a year.</p><p>
It's doable and necessary, and provides the missing step in an end-state goal like 350 ...</p><p>
Telling people "Lose 50 pounds" is worthless. &nbsp;Helping them lose a pound a week for fifty weeks can happen. <br>
Same principle at work.

<p>Save your community:  Cut greenhouse gas emissions 5% per year.</p></br></p>
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				<p><strong>How about 350/5?</strong></p><p>We can get to 350 in time, without chaos, if we start NOW, with everyone at every level in the North (individually, organizationally, municipally, nationally) cutting emissions 5% a year.</p><p>
It's doable and necessary, and provides the missing step in an end-state goal like 350 ...</p><p>
Telling people "Lose 50 pounds" is worthless. &nbsp;Helping them lose a pound a week for fifty weeks can happen. <br>
Same principle at work.

<p>Save your community:  Cut greenhouse gas emissions 5% per year.</p></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by Pangolin</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:15:47 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>One day a month?<p>Figure out how not to drive to work one day a month. <br>
Cut back one days heating or AC use.<p>
That's a start.

<p><a href="http://putcarbonback.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Put  the Carbon Back</a></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>One day a month?<p>Figure out how not to drive to work one day a month. <br>
Cut back one days heating or AC use.<p>
That's a start.

<p><a href="http://putcarbonback.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Put  the Carbon Back</a></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by Anna Haynes</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:53:52 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Where's our graphic artist?</strong></p><p>How about doing oversized-reflective-mesh-reflectors for bicycles (or reflective mesh vests for their riders), earth-shaped, with "350" written across them? &nbsp;<br>
And hats. &nbsp;T-shirts. &nbsp;Purses.</p><p>
Lapel pins.</br></p>
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				<p><strong>Where's our graphic artist?</strong></p><p>How about doing oversized-reflective-mesh-reflectors for bicycles (or reflective mesh vests for their riders), earth-shaped, with "350" written across them? &nbsp;<br>
And hats. &nbsp;T-shirts. &nbsp;Purses.</p><p>
Lapel pins.</br></p>
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            <title>Comment #11 by DannyGirl</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 02:59:22 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>yet another campaign, yet more overhead?</strong></p><p>I'm sure it has its merits and all but, whenever I hear of campaigns such as this popping up I have to think, do we really need yet another campaign? &nbsp;What about the ones we have already? &nbsp;New organizations means new overhead expenses for the environmental movement "as a whole". &nbsp;It just makes the whole landscape that much more fractured and disjointed. &nbsp;I'd rather see an effort with the look and feel of this one coming from one of our decades-old environmental orgs, who probably need to get out the deadwood anyhow. &nbsp;</p>
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				<p><strong>yet another campaign, yet more overhead?</strong></p><p>I'm sure it has its merits and all but, whenever I hear of campaigns such as this popping up I have to think, do we really need yet another campaign? &nbsp;What about the ones we have already? &nbsp;New organizations means new overhead expenses for the environmental movement "as a whole". &nbsp;It just makes the whole landscape that much more fractured and disjointed. &nbsp;I'd rather see an effort with the look and feel of this one coming from one of our decades-old environmental orgs, who probably need to get out the deadwood anyhow. &nbsp;</p>
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            <title>Comment #12 by bundeslagr</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 03:14:32 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>350 Ride in the Bay Area</strong></p><p>Just wanted to share on a small success to add to the list of events that are taking on this theme of 350-ifying the nation.<br>
We here in the Bay Area got together a group of bicyclists and rode from the county seat of San Mateo County to the City Hall of San Francisco. &nbsp;We were of course shooting for 350 riders on Sunday April 20th but the distance is a pretty substantial 35 miles. &nbsp;(Ridership was around 20) &nbsp;<br>
Hopefully, with more lead time, we can achieve our goal of having a mass ride that really makes the headlines. &nbsp;If you guys have any suggestions on how to make the event bigger in the future, let us hear it. &nbsp;<br>
It is 4 hours of riding, but hey, sometimes you have to sweat for the environment. &nbsp;We'll probably try again in a few months time.</p><p>
Keep the dream of protecting global ecosystems alive.</br></br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>350 Ride in the Bay Area</strong></p><p>Just wanted to share on a small success to add to the list of events that are taking on this theme of 350-ifying the nation.<br>
We here in the Bay Area got together a group of bicyclists and rode from the county seat of San Mateo County to the City Hall of San Francisco. &nbsp;We were of course shooting for 350 riders on Sunday April 20th but the distance is a pretty substantial 35 miles. &nbsp;(Ridership was around 20) &nbsp;<br>
Hopefully, with more lead time, we can achieve our goal of having a mass ride that really makes the headlines. &nbsp;If you guys have any suggestions on how to make the event bigger in the future, let us hear it. &nbsp;<br>
It is 4 hours of riding, but hey, sometimes you have to sweat for the environment. &nbsp;We'll probably try again in a few months time.</p><p>
Keep the dream of protecting global ecosystems alive.</br></br></br></p>
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