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            <title>Comment #1 by Robert K</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:43:19 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>Yee Gods!!&nbsp; What a pompous ass!!&nbsp; I am not an ardent fan of Sara Palin, but this author is totally asinine! First he says she doesn't know the facts, then he says her "facts" are just gleaned from other op-eds. What does he expect?, everyone cannot do their own independent original research. Just because she doesn't agree with him, he tries to belittle her just so he can (wrongly) be superior to her. Psychology 101.</p>
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				<p>Yee Gods!!&nbsp; What a pompous ass!!&nbsp; I am not an ardent fan of Sara Palin, but this author is totally asinine! First he says she doesn't know the facts, then he says her "facts" are just gleaned from other op-eds. What does he expect?, everyone cannot do their own independent original research. Just because she doesn't agree with him, he tries to belittle her just so he can (wrongly) be superior to her. Psychology 101.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Username</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:29:19 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>Good to Know, Thanks for the article</p>
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				<p>Good to Know, Thanks for the article</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Russ Walker</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:36:39 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>Thanks for the comment. At no point do I accuse Palin of stealing from other opinion pieces. In fact, I wonder why she didn't borrow from some of the well-researched critiques assembled by various conservative think tanks in Washington. It would have made for a better essay.</p><p>It's not Palin's view about cap-and-trade that I object to, it's that her objection is offered up without any sort of facts to back up her assertions. Shouldn't we expect that from a woman who is still considered to be a leading candidate for the GOP nomination in 2012?</p>
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				<p>Thanks for the comment. At no point do I accuse Palin of stealing from other opinion pieces. In fact, I wonder why she didn't borrow from some of the well-researched critiques assembled by various conservative think tanks in Washington. It would have made for a better essay.</p><p>It's not Palin's view about cap-and-trade that I object to, it's that her objection is offered up without any sort of facts to back up her assertions. Shouldn't we expect that from a woman who is still considered to be a leading candidate for the GOP nomination in 2012?</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by mmooney</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:02:07 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>Man, this is a tough one.&nbsp; I can't decide if this is sarcasm or another example of unintentional irony.</p><p>Congratulations, Robert K, you have stumped me.</p>
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				<p>Man, this is a tough one.&nbsp; I can't decide if this is sarcasm or another example of unintentional irony.</p><p>Congratulations, Robert K, you have stumped me.</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:16:41 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>The reason cap and trade is collosal failure is that it provides a way for us to continue using old, polluting technology, rather than&nbsp; letting the free market drive us into clean energy solutions like hydrogen.<p>Costly, ill advised big government programs will make it possible for coal plants to survive long into the 22nd century.<p>The Bush policies of fomenting technological change will make CO2 technologies moot.&nbsp;&nbsp; That is why Sarah Palin is the smarter choice.<strong>A Costly and Unnecessary New Electricity Grid <p id="dek">A national interstate system for distributing power may prove an expensive boondoggle.<p><a href="http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/22997/" rel="nofollow">http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/22997/<p>What's needed instead are improved local and regional electricity
transmission, the development of an efficient and adaptable smart grid,
and the demonstration of technology such as carbon capture and
sequestration, which could prove a cheaper way to reduce carbon dioxide
emissions than transmitting power from North Dakota to New York City.</p></a></p></p></strong></p></p></p>
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				<p>The reason cap and trade is collosal failure is that it provides a way for us to continue using old, polluting technology, rather than&nbsp; letting the free market drive us into clean energy solutions like hydrogen.<p>Costly, ill advised big government programs will make it possible for coal plants to survive long into the 22nd century.<p>The Bush policies of fomenting technological change will make CO2 technologies moot.&nbsp;&nbsp; That is why Sarah Palin is the smarter choice.<strong>A Costly and Unnecessary New Electricity Grid <p id="dek">A national interstate system for distributing power may prove an expensive boondoggle.<p><a href="http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/22997/" rel="nofollow">http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/22997/<p>What's needed instead are improved local and regional electricity
transmission, the development of an efficient and adaptable smart grid,
and the demonstration of technology such as carbon capture and
sequestration, which could prove a cheaper way to reduce carbon dioxide
emissions than transmitting power from North Dakota to New York City.</p></a></p></p></strong></p></p></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by bailsout</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:56:43 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>How about we just do nothing,&nbsp;but continue to do as we have been doing with one exception.&nbsp; We start a massive negative population growth campaign.&nbsp; Let's cap-and-trade or subsidize taxpayers for not having children. Let's require parents to pay for their children from child care to public education. Why should people who&nbsp;choose not&nbsp;to have children still pay taxes to support public education?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;Everyone sees that the human population is out of control,&nbsp;disturbing and destroying&nbsp; all other life forms. When do we begin attacking the real problem? We&nbsp;can see&nbsp;the enemy and it is us.</p>
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				<p>How about we just do nothing,&nbsp;but continue to do as we have been doing with one exception.&nbsp; We start a massive negative population growth campaign.&nbsp; Let's cap-and-trade or subsidize taxpayers for not having children. Let's require parents to pay for their children from child care to public education. Why should people who&nbsp;choose not&nbsp;to have children still pay taxes to support public education?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;Everyone sees that the human population is out of control,&nbsp;disturbing and destroying&nbsp; all other life forms. When do we begin attacking the real problem? We&nbsp;can see&nbsp;the enemy and it is us.</p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by ecceman</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:14:17 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>Seward's Folly...Alaska would be an economic disaster echos from the 19th century. &nbsp;So, is Sarah Palin the revenge for that folly? &nbsp;Let's look at it this way, with Greenspan now thrown on the manure pile of old economics after having been the future for so long...where is the saving grace that these writers eschew?</p><p>So, Holy Hosanna in the highest to these muddled thinkers of Greenspanian wit and truth! &nbsp;I think the times have left them behind...and they are as those who attacked Ft. Sumer.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
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				<p>Seward's Folly...Alaska would be an economic disaster echos from the 19th century. &nbsp;So, is Sarah Palin the revenge for that folly? &nbsp;Let's look at it this way, with Greenspan now thrown on the manure pile of old economics after having been the future for so long...where is the saving grace that these writers eschew?</p><p>So, Holy Hosanna in the highest to these muddled thinkers of Greenspanian wit and truth! &nbsp;I think the times have left them behind...and they are as those who attacked Ft. Sumer.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by AntonioSosa</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:11:32 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Palin is right! No<a name="OLE_LINK11">&nbsp;patriotic&nbsp;<a name="OLE_LINK11">&nbsp;and informed American can <a name="OLE_LINK11"><a href="http://www.topix.net/forum/source/orlando-sentinel/TD1KUD6CUDR5QS8TS" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_top">support cap and trade, Obama&rsquo;s huge <a name="OLE_LINK161">Ponzy scheme that will kill the U.S. economy.<br /><br /><a name="OLE_LINK143"><a name="OLE_LINK142">Cap and Trade "would be the equivalent of an atomic bomb directed at the U.S. economy&mdash;all without any scientific justification," says famed climatologist Dr. S. Fred Singer. It would significantly increase taxes and the cost of energy, forcing many <a href="http://www.topix.net/forum/source/orlando-sentinel/TD1KUD6CUDR5QS8TS" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_top">companies to close, thus increasing unemployment, poverty and dependence.<br /><br /><a name="OLE_LINK155"><a name="OLE_LINK154">Cap and trade represents huge taxes and cost increases, which will hurt mostly the poor and the middle class while further empowering and enriching <a name="OLE_LINK21"><a name="OLE_LINK20">Obama and his fraudulent billionaire friends (Gore, Soros, Goldman Sachs, Obama&rsquo;s Chicago Climate <a href="http://www.topix.net/forum/source/orlando-sentinel/TD1KUD6CUDR5QS8TS" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_top">Exchange friends, GE, the United Nations, etc.)-- all at our expense and at the expense of our children and grandchildren.<br style="mso-special-character: line-break;" /><br style="mso-special-character: line-break;" /><a name="OLE_LINK22">More than 700 international scientists dissent over man-made global warming claims. They are now more than 13 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media-hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers. <a href="http://www.climatechangefraud.com/content/view/3562/218/" rel="nofollow">http://www.climatechangefraud.com/content/view/3562/218/<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">&nbsp;<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Additionally, <a name="OLE_LINK197"><a name="OLE_LINK64"><a name="OLE_LINK136">more than 30,000 American scientists have signed onto a petition that states, "There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate." <a href="http://www.petitionproject.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.petitionproject.org&nbsp;&nbsp; <p>&nbsp;<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><a name="OLE_LINK186"><a name="OLE_LINK185"><a name="OLE_LINK183"><a name="OLE_LINK171"><a name="OLE_LINK66"><a name="OLE_LINK65">Those brainwashed to the point of wanting to destroy the economy to "prevent global warming" are behaving like the most primitive human beings who were duped into believing that human sacrifices would ensure them good weather. Human beings don't have the power to control climate! And killing the economy will not help the <a href="http://www.topix.net/forum/source/orlando-sentinel/TD1KUD6CUDR5QS8TS" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_top">environment. Poor countries can't protect the environment. Just look at Haiti!<p>&nbsp;<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">We pray that honest leaders &ndash; both Democrat and Republican - are able to save us from Obama's criminal cap-and-trade scam. </p></p></a></a></a></a></a></a></a></p></p></p></a></a></a></a></p></p></a></a></br></br></a></a></a></a></a></br></br></a></a></a></br></br></a></a></a></a></a></p>
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				<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Palin is right! No<a name="OLE_LINK11">&nbsp;patriotic&nbsp;<a name="OLE_LINK11">&nbsp;and informed American can <a name="OLE_LINK11"><a href="http://www.topix.net/forum/source/orlando-sentinel/TD1KUD6CUDR5QS8TS" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_top">support cap and trade, Obama&rsquo;s huge <a name="OLE_LINK161">Ponzy scheme that will kill the U.S. economy.<br /><br /><a name="OLE_LINK143"><a name="OLE_LINK142">Cap and Trade "would be the equivalent of an atomic bomb directed at the U.S. economy&mdash;all without any scientific justification," says famed climatologist Dr. S. Fred Singer. It would significantly increase taxes and the cost of energy, forcing many <a href="http://www.topix.net/forum/source/orlando-sentinel/TD1KUD6CUDR5QS8TS" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_top">companies to close, thus increasing unemployment, poverty and dependence.<br /><br /><a name="OLE_LINK155"><a name="OLE_LINK154">Cap and trade represents huge taxes and cost increases, which will hurt mostly the poor and the middle class while further empowering and enriching <a name="OLE_LINK21"><a name="OLE_LINK20">Obama and his fraudulent billionaire friends (Gore, Soros, Goldman Sachs, Obama&rsquo;s Chicago Climate <a href="http://www.topix.net/forum/source/orlando-sentinel/TD1KUD6CUDR5QS8TS" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_top">Exchange friends, GE, the United Nations, etc.)-- all at our expense and at the expense of our children and grandchildren.<br style="mso-special-character: line-break;" /><br style="mso-special-character: line-break;" /><a name="OLE_LINK22">More than 700 international scientists dissent over man-made global warming claims. They are now more than 13 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media-hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers. <a href="http://www.climatechangefraud.com/content/view/3562/218/" rel="nofollow">http://www.climatechangefraud.com/content/view/3562/218/<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">&nbsp;<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Additionally, <a name="OLE_LINK197"><a name="OLE_LINK64"><a name="OLE_LINK136">more than 30,000 American scientists have signed onto a petition that states, "There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate." <a href="http://www.petitionproject.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.petitionproject.org&nbsp;&nbsp; <p>&nbsp;<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><a name="OLE_LINK186"><a name="OLE_LINK185"><a name="OLE_LINK183"><a name="OLE_LINK171"><a name="OLE_LINK66"><a name="OLE_LINK65">Those brainwashed to the point of wanting to destroy the economy to "prevent global warming" are behaving like the most primitive human beings who were duped into believing that human sacrifices would ensure them good weather. Human beings don't have the power to control climate! And killing the economy will not help the <a href="http://www.topix.net/forum/source/orlando-sentinel/TD1KUD6CUDR5QS8TS" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_top">environment. Poor countries can't protect the environment. Just look at Haiti!<p>&nbsp;<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">We pray that honest leaders &ndash; both Democrat and Republican - are able to save us from Obama's criminal cap-and-trade scam. </p></p></a></a></a></a></a></a></a></p></p></p></a></a></a></a></p></p></a></a></br></br></a></a></a></a></a></br></br></a></a></a></br></br></a></a></a></a></a></p>
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separate issues here and they should never ever be confused. This article
commits the fatal error of confusing them. <p class="MsoNormal">One is our need to
conserve our carbon potential, which includes the carbon balances of the
atmosphere that sustain us. I am sufficiently concerned at our abuse of our
carbon potential that I no longer own cars (I used to have two), I refuse to
fly, I work at a menial job close to home and I no longer buy meat (our family
used to eat 28 lbs a week.) I have thus cut my carbon emissions by maybe 80%
out of sense of civics (stewardship). <p class="MsoNormal">The second issue is the
need to fight the Cap and Trade push. Cap and Trade is destructive of civics
(stewardship) and is an extremely dangerous scam. If adopted universally it
will lead to an historic wealth flow from the poor to the rich while enabling
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before the release of his latest book, The Vanishing Face of Gaia.
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and industry wanted. It's not going to do a damn thing about climate change,
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--&gt;<p class="MsoNormal">There are two quite
separate issues here and they should never ever be confused. This article
commits the fatal error of confusing them. <p class="MsoNormal">One is our need to
conserve our carbon potential, which includes the carbon balances of the
atmosphere that sustain us. I am sufficiently concerned at our abuse of our
carbon potential that I no longer own cars (I used to have two), I refuse to
fly, I work at a menial job close to home and I no longer buy meat (our family
used to eat 28 lbs a week.) I have thus cut my carbon emissions by maybe 80%
out of sense of civics (stewardship). <p class="MsoNormal">The second issue is the
need to fight the Cap and Trade push. Cap and Trade is destructive of civics
(stewardship) and is an extremely dangerous scam. If adopted universally it
will lead to an historic wealth flow from the poor to the rich while enabling
the latter to continue polluting and destroying remaining mineral reserves on
scale. It will make global warfare almost inevitable within five years.  <p class="MsoNormal">I recommend, for instance,
the recent Rolling Stone article on Carbon Trading &ldquo;Inside the Great American
Bubble Machine <p class="MsoNormal">&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt;  <p class="MsoNormal">To quote James Lovelock this week <p class="MsoNormal">&ldquo;Most of the &lsquo;green&rsquo; stuff
is verging on a gigantic scam," Lovelock told the New Scientist shortly
before the release of his latest book, The Vanishing Face of Gaia.
"Carbon trading, with its huge government subsidies, is just what finance
and industry wanted. It's not going to do a damn thing about climate change,
but it'll make a lot of money for a lot of people and postpone the moment of
reckoning.&rdquo;&hellip; <p class="MsoNormal">&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt;&nbsp;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt; <p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;">In
kindness <p class="MsoNormal">Dave McArthur <a href="http://www.bonusjoules.co.nz" rel="nofollow">http://www.bonusjoules.co.nz <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp; <p class="MsoNormal">&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt;&nbsp;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt; <p class="MsoNormal">&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt;&nbsp;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;<p>&nbsp;</p></p></p></p></a></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p>
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