<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for DeFazio lambasts cap-and-trade]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by AntonioSosa http://www.grist.org/article/2009-06-22-defazio-blasts-cap-and-trade/ Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:38:04 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/2009-06-22-defazio-blasts-cap-and-trade/1 It seems defazio, as most Americans, did not know about how much cap and trade will damage our country and our future. Now he knowns a little more.

 

Cap and Trade "would be the equivalent of an atomic bomb directed at the U.S. economy-all without any scientific justification," says famed climatologist Dr. S. Fred Singer. It would significantly increase taxes and the cost of energy, forcing many companies to close, thus increasing unemployment, poverty and dependence.

 

Cap and trade represents huge taxes and cost increases, which will hurt mostly the poor and the middle class. Cap and trade will give dictatorial powers to Obama and will further enrich his billionaire friends (Gore, Soros, Goldman Sachs, Obama's Chicago Climate Exchange friends, GE, the United Nations, etc.) -- all at our expense and at the expense of our children and grandchildren.

 

Those brainwashed to the point of wanting to destroy the economy to "prevent global warming" are behaving like the most primitive human beings who were duped into believing that human sacrifices would ensure them good weather. Human beings don't have the power to control climate! And killing the economy will not help the environment. Poor countries can't protect the environment. Just look at Haiti!

 

]]> It seems defazio, as most Americans, did not know about how much cap and trade will damage our country and our future. Now he knowns a little more.

 

Cap and Trade "would be the equivalent of an atomic bomb directed at the U.S. economy-all without any scientific justification," says famed climatologist Dr. S. Fred Singer. It would significantly increase taxes and the cost of energy, forcing many companies to close, thus increasing unemployment, poverty and dependence.

 

Cap and trade represents huge taxes and cost increases, which will hurt mostly the poor and the middle class. Cap and trade will give dictatorial powers to Obama and will further enrich his billionaire friends (Gore, Soros, Goldman Sachs, Obama's Chicago Climate Exchange friends, GE, the United Nations, etc.) -- all at our expense and at the expense of our children and grandchildren.

 

Those brainwashed to the point of wanting to destroy the economy to "prevent global warming" are behaving like the most primitive human beings who were duped into believing that human sacrifices would ensure them good weather. Human beings don't have the power to control climate! And killing the economy will not help the environment. Poor countries can't protect the environment. Just look at Haiti!

 

]]> Comment #2 by Tim DeChristopher http://www.grist.org/article/2009-06-22-defazio-blasts-cap-and-trade/ Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:31:14 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/2009-06-22-defazio-blasts-cap-and-trade/2 Is DeFazio the only progessive with guts in our Congress?  The McDermott bill (HR 1683) makes way more sense than ACES, but he seems to be a lone voice in a sea of Congressmen who care more about pleasing the fossil fuel industry than about protecting people.  DeFazio needs grassroots support to show that young people in this country are not willing to compromise our survival on the sell-out ACES bill.


DeFazio and HR 1683 demonstrate that rejecting ACES doesn't mean we get nothing, it means Congress has to pass a serious law designed to stop climate change.  If ACES is killed from the left, that sends an extremely powerful signal that the climate movement is waking up and beginning to believe in our power to make demands.  If it passes, it shows all Congress has to do is pretend to protect our interests.


]]> Is DeFazio the only progessive with guts in our Congress?  The McDermott bill (HR 1683) makes way more sense than ACES, but he seems to be a lone voice in a sea of Congressmen who care more about pleasing the fossil fuel industry than about protecting people.  DeFazio needs grassroots support to show that young people in this country are not willing to compromise our survival on the sell-out ACES bill.


DeFazio and HR 1683 demonstrate that rejecting ACES doesn't mean we get nothing, it means Congress has to pass a serious law designed to stop climate change.  If ACES is killed from the left, that sends an extremely powerful signal that the climate movement is waking up and beginning to believe in our power to make demands.  If it passes, it shows all Congress has to do is pretend to protect our interests.


]]> Comment #3 by vbstenswick http://www.grist.org/article/2009-06-22-defazio-blasts-cap-and-trade/ Tue, 23 Jun 2009 01:38:22 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/2009-06-22-defazio-blasts-cap-and-trade/3 So which coal company do you work for?  There is no brainwashing involved.  The science is correct, you just refuse toaccept science.  It is also a much easier problem to solve than the fossil fuel guys want us to believe.  I did not say easy, just easier than they want us to believe.  We could cap carbon emissions immediately by harnassing waste heat, and it would be fairly cost effective.  There are alot of bright hard working people who have figured out how to extract carbon from the ground to provide us with energy.  We need to harnass that intellect and work ethic to provide energy without extracting carbon from the ground.  I have tremendous faith in human ingenuity.  20 years from now people might be complaining about having to pay $3/gallon for cellulostic ethanol when they could have gasoline to $0.50/gallon, but it would be banned.  Yes that would be irritating, but the consequences of not dealing with climate change are too severe to ignore.  I heat my house in a Minneapolis suburb with a geothermal heat pump and buy all of my electricity from our local utilities "WindSource" program.  My heating bills are still lower than anyone around me.  So I paid alot to install an efficient heating system, people pay alot to buy a car and 10 years later it is close to worthless.

]]> So which coal company do you work for?  There is no brainwashing involved.  The science is correct, you just refuse toaccept science.  It is also a much easier problem to solve than the fossil fuel guys want us to believe.  I did not say easy, just easier than they want us to believe.  We could cap carbon emissions immediately by harnassing waste heat, and it would be fairly cost effective.  There are alot of bright hard working people who have figured out how to extract carbon from the ground to provide us with energy.  We need to harnass that intellect and work ethic to provide energy without extracting carbon from the ground.  I have tremendous faith in human ingenuity.  20 years from now people might be complaining about having to pay $3/gallon for cellulostic ethanol when they could have gasoline to $0.50/gallon, but it would be banned.  Yes that would be irritating, but the consequences of not dealing with climate change are too severe to ignore.  I heat my house in a Minneapolis suburb with a geothermal heat pump and buy all of my electricity from our local utilities "WindSource" program.  My heating bills are still lower than anyone around me.  So I paid alot to install an efficient heating system, people pay alot to buy a car and 10 years later it is close to worthless.

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