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            <title>Comment #1 by Steven Earl Salmony</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/2009-05-27-copenhagen-business-summit/</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 10:20:03 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>Too much&nbsp;political correctness, posing, delaying tactics&nbsp;and "business as usual".</p><p>Too little intellectual dishonesty, moral courage and&nbsp;action by&nbsp;people&nbsp;who mean business when it comes to addressing the threat of climate destabilization.</p><p>The leaders of the family of humanity can do better and I trust all of us, leaders and followers alike, will choose necessary behavioral change rather than the profane maintenance of a morally disengaged and patently unsustainable socioeconomic status quo. Socioeconomic reasoning is feeble, fundamentally flawed reasoning, and suggests its inconsequentiality, because such &ldquo;self-interested&rdquo; reasoning is faulty; it has everything to do with what is economically expedient and socially suitable &#123;as well as politically convenient, religiously tolerable and culturally prescribed&#125; and nothing to do intellectual honesty, moral courage and an appreciation of the practical requirements of biophysical reality. What is often called socioeconomic reasonng is a kind of &lsquo;reasoning&rsquo; that cannot lead the human community to meaningfully embrace sustainable lifestyles, to sensibly protect biodiversity and to recognize the necessity for preserving Earth and its environs.</p><p>For the past eight dark years economic powerbrokers, their bought-and-paid-for politicians and the absurdly enriched talking heads in the mass media have adamantly insisted that everyone live as they have, without regard either to human limits or Earth&rsquo;s limitations and in evidently unsustainable ways. Our children will learn &#123;the hard way&#125; from these not-so-great elders the price to be paid for the unadulterated arrogance and unbridled greed of a single generation.</p><p>The brightest and best, most powerful advocates of socioeconomic reasoning are leading the children down a &ldquo;primrose path&rdquo; to some sort of colossal ecologic and/or economic wreckage, I fear, the likes of which only Ozymandias has witnessed.</p>
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				<p>Too much&nbsp;political correctness, posing, delaying tactics&nbsp;and "business as usual".</p><p>Too little intellectual dishonesty, moral courage and&nbsp;action by&nbsp;people&nbsp;who mean business when it comes to addressing the threat of climate destabilization.</p><p>The leaders of the family of humanity can do better and I trust all of us, leaders and followers alike, will choose necessary behavioral change rather than the profane maintenance of a morally disengaged and patently unsustainable socioeconomic status quo. Socioeconomic reasoning is feeble, fundamentally flawed reasoning, and suggests its inconsequentiality, because such &ldquo;self-interested&rdquo; reasoning is faulty; it has everything to do with what is economically expedient and socially suitable &#123;as well as politically convenient, religiously tolerable and culturally prescribed&#125; and nothing to do intellectual honesty, moral courage and an appreciation of the practical requirements of biophysical reality. What is often called socioeconomic reasonng is a kind of &lsquo;reasoning&rsquo; that cannot lead the human community to meaningfully embrace sustainable lifestyles, to sensibly protect biodiversity and to recognize the necessity for preserving Earth and its environs.</p><p>For the past eight dark years economic powerbrokers, their bought-and-paid-for politicians and the absurdly enriched talking heads in the mass media have adamantly insisted that everyone live as they have, without regard either to human limits or Earth&rsquo;s limitations and in evidently unsustainable ways. Our children will learn &#123;the hard way&#125; from these not-so-great elders the price to be paid for the unadulterated arrogance and unbridled greed of a single generation.</p><p>The brightest and best, most powerful advocates of socioeconomic reasoning are leading the children down a &ldquo;primrose path&rdquo; to some sort of colossal ecologic and/or economic wreckage, I fear, the likes of which only Ozymandias has witnessed.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by randino</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 14:01:12 -0700</pubDate>
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				If one can momentarily suspend any sense of empathy, I have to say that what we see is a fascinating example of a civilization choosing to commit suicide. The shocking truth is that we do not have any excuses.  We have studied to death how we are doing ourselves in. I mean the Romans were drunk out of their gords, and had more lead in their bodies than a car battery. Other civilizations perished by the sword, or assumed that they had lost the mandate of heaven. But we know exactly what we are doing, and seem damned and determined to keep on doing it. Fascinating. Generations of future historians will build their careers marvelling at our stupidity.  

Randy Cunningham Cleveland OH
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				If one can momentarily suspend any sense of empathy, I have to say that what we see is a fascinating example of a civilization choosing to commit suicide. The shocking truth is that we do not have any excuses.  We have studied to death how we are doing ourselves in. I mean the Romans were drunk out of their gords, and had more lead in their bodies than a car battery. Other civilizations perished by the sword, or assumed that they had lost the mandate of heaven. But we know exactly what we are doing, and seem damned and determined to keep on doing it. Fascinating. Generations of future historians will build their careers marvelling at our stupidity.  

Randy Cunningham Cleveland OH
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            <title>Comment #3 by sj1009</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/2009-05-27-copenhagen-business-summit/</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 23:03:43 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>Just a beginning for my post lol<br /><br />I'm pretty low on ideas right now<p>&nbsp;<p>&nbsp;<p>&nbsp;<p>suja<p>-----<p><a href="http://www.sysax.com/ftpauto/" rel="nofollow">FTP Automation</a></p></p></p></p></p></p></br></br></p>
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				<p>Just a beginning for my post lol<br /><br />I'm pretty low on ideas right now<p>&nbsp;<p>&nbsp;<p>&nbsp;<p>suja<p>-----<p><a href="http://www.sysax.com/ftpauto/" rel="nofollow">FTP Automation</a></p></p></p></p></p></p></br></br></p>
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