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            <title>Comment #1 by LaurieWilliams</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 00:00:07 -0700</pubDate>
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				It is very disappointing to see Al Gore putting his considerable influence behind the fatally flawed approach of the proposed Waxman Markey bill.  The current Waxman-Markey bill suffers from weak goals, insufficient to forestall an unacceptable risk of catastrophic climate change.  It allows even these weak targets to be met by outside offsets that will be largely fraudulent.  It relies on the equivalent of the creative financial instruments that help create the recent financial meltdown.  As long-time public-sector environmental attorneys, my husband and I have been speaking out in our personal capacity as parents and citizens. Based on our enforcement experience and my husband's experience with cap-and-trade and offsets, we believe that the Waxman-Markey bill will fail to deliver even the weakened goals that it claims to establish.  NRDC, EDF and other individuals and groups that are endorsing the bill are ignoring the complete lack of integrity introduced by massive offsets.  They are also relying on the "success" of the Acid Rain program as the basis on which they recommend the cap-and-trade portion of the Waxman Markey bill. (Note: Acid Rain did not have offsets.) In addition, they ignore the many differences between Acid Rain and Climate Change. Acid Rain involved a relatively simple fuel switch to lower sulfur coal at existing facilities. There is no simple fuel switch for existing facilities that will solve the climate change problem. Rather, we need to correct the relative price advantage that fossil fuel energy currently has over clean energy alternatives and to improve incentives for conservation. The proposed cap-and-trade system cannot get us from where we are to where we need to be. There are valuable measures in the Waxman Markey bill, like energy efficiency standards. However, the cap-and-trade and offset provisions should be eliminated and carbon fees with per capita rebates should be put in their stead (phased in fees to gradually make clean energy cost-competitive with fossil fuel energy and monthly rebates to cushion the impact for consumers). If the American public is not ready for an effective climate bill, we should not substitute an ineffective climate bill. We should ask the Administration to provide town hall meetings that improve public understanding of the threat and the potential solutions, staffed by the National Academy of Sciences, our National Security Advisor, and other experts. 
A short synopsis of our arguments: "Why cap-and-trade is not the answer" can be found at: <a href="http://www.carbonfees.org/home/EnvirFinance03_09.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.carbonfees.org/home/EnvirFinance03_09.pdf  
Our 17-page discussion paper (the most complete statement of our argument (2/21/09) "Keeping Our Eyes on the Wrong Ball" is located at: <a href="http://www.carbonfees.org/home/Cap-and-TradeVsCarbonFees.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.carbonfees.org/home/Cap-and-TradeVsCarbonFees.pdf
Thank you! Laurie Williams</a></a>
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				It is very disappointing to see Al Gore putting his considerable influence behind the fatally flawed approach of the proposed Waxman Markey bill.  The current Waxman-Markey bill suffers from weak goals, insufficient to forestall an unacceptable risk of catastrophic climate change.  It allows even these weak targets to be met by outside offsets that will be largely fraudulent.  It relies on the equivalent of the creative financial instruments that help create the recent financial meltdown.  As long-time public-sector environmental attorneys, my husband and I have been speaking out in our personal capacity as parents and citizens. Based on our enforcement experience and my husband's experience with cap-and-trade and offsets, we believe that the Waxman-Markey bill will fail to deliver even the weakened goals that it claims to establish.  NRDC, EDF and other individuals and groups that are endorsing the bill are ignoring the complete lack of integrity introduced by massive offsets.  They are also relying on the "success" of the Acid Rain program as the basis on which they recommend the cap-and-trade portion of the Waxman Markey bill. (Note: Acid Rain did not have offsets.) In addition, they ignore the many differences between Acid Rain and Climate Change. Acid Rain involved a relatively simple fuel switch to lower sulfur coal at existing facilities. There is no simple fuel switch for existing facilities that will solve the climate change problem. Rather, we need to correct the relative price advantage that fossil fuel energy currently has over clean energy alternatives and to improve incentives for conservation. The proposed cap-and-trade system cannot get us from where we are to where we need to be. There are valuable measures in the Waxman Markey bill, like energy efficiency standards. However, the cap-and-trade and offset provisions should be eliminated and carbon fees with per capita rebates should be put in their stead (phased in fees to gradually make clean energy cost-competitive with fossil fuel energy and monthly rebates to cushion the impact for consumers). If the American public is not ready for an effective climate bill, we should not substitute an ineffective climate bill. We should ask the Administration to provide town hall meetings that improve public understanding of the threat and the potential solutions, staffed by the National Academy of Sciences, our National Security Advisor, and other experts. 
A short synopsis of our arguments: "Why cap-and-trade is not the answer" can be found at: <a href="http://www.carbonfees.org/home/EnvirFinance03_09.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.carbonfees.org/home/EnvirFinance03_09.pdf  
Our 17-page discussion paper (the most complete statement of our argument (2/21/09) "Keeping Our Eyes on the Wrong Ball" is located at: <a href="http://www.carbonfees.org/home/Cap-and-TradeVsCarbonFees.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.carbonfees.org/home/Cap-and-TradeVsCarbonFees.pdf
Thank you! Laurie Williams</a></a>
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            <title>Comment #2 by F James Handley</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/2009-05-15-gore-rallies-grassroots/</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 11:03:44 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>&nbsp;<a href="http://www.carbontax.org/blogarchives/2009/05/15/climate-and-policy-experts-warn-watered-down-cap-and-trade-bill-won’t-prevent-catastrophic-climate-change/" rel="nofollow">Climate and Policy Experts Warn Watered Down Cap-and-Trade Bill Won&rsquo;t Prevent Catastrophic Climate Change <p class="date" style="margin-top: 0pt;"> <p class="MsoNormal">&ldquo;The revised Waxman-Markey climate bill is too watered down to qualify
as a positive step for avoiding catastrophic climate disruption,&rdquo; said <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hansen" rel="nofollow">Dr. James Hansen, leading climate scientist and prominent advocate of a revenue-neutral carbon tax to curb climate change....<p class="MsoNormal">Clinton Administration Undersecretary of Commerce <a href="http://www.sonecon.com/about.php" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Robert Shapiro, who heads the <a href="http://www.climatetaskforce.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">U.S. Climate Task Force, recently wrote that after&nbsp;the Wall Street meltdown, carbon trading&nbsp;looks like&nbsp;a &ldquo;<a href="http://ndnblog.org/node/3761" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">dead policy walking.&rdquo;&nbsp;Both Hansen and&nbsp;Shapiro&nbsp;have <a href="../../../the-taxmen-cometh" rel="nofollow">urged policymakers to support a simpler and more transparent alternative of
setting prices through a carbon tax which would increase gradually and
whose revenues would be recycled back to taxpayers. This would raise
carbon prices in an orderly, predictable way without subjecting
consumers to price volatility and without delivering windfall profits
to companies receiving free allowances or fueling speculative trading
on secondary markets.<p class="MsoNormal">&ldquo;Predictably raising the price of carbon-based fuels is essential to
promote investment in low-carbon renewable energy and efficiency,&rdquo; said
Charles Komanoff, economist and co-director of the <a href="http://www.carbontax.org/" rel="nofollow">Carbon Tax Center.
Komanoff suggested that &ldquo;We will need a range of policies to avert
climate disaster, but without clear, orderly price signals, there
simply is no hope of creating the economy-wide incentives we need to
become a low-carbon economy.&rdquo;<p class="MsoNormal">&ldquo;There is a time to
compromise -- to accept the best that you are likely to get. This is
not one of those times,&rdquo; said Tom Stokes, coordinator of the <strong><a href="http://www.climatecrisiscoalition.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Climate Crisis Coalition.
&ldquo;We understand the need to get behind&nbsp;an effective&nbsp;climate bill.&nbsp; Dr.
Hansen's&nbsp;scientific findings are serious and compelling. Waxman-Markey
doesn't&nbsp;comes close to addressing the dire&nbsp;challenge we all face.&nbsp;&nbsp;As a
model for&nbsp;effective and fair climate&nbsp;legislation, we urge the Energy
and Commerce Committee to&nbsp;take a hard look&nbsp;at Rep. John Larson&rsquo;s carbon
tax bill, <strong><a href="http://www.pricecarbon.org/pdf/larson2009.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">America's Energy Security Trust Fund Act of 2009 (H.R. 1337).&nbsp; Larson's bill&nbsp;combines aggressive goals, quick
implementation, predictable carbon fees and an equitable recycling of
the revenues&nbsp;back to the people."<p class="MsoNormal">More at <a href="http://www.carbontax.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.carbontax.org and <a href="http://www.pricecarbon.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.pricecarbon.org</a></a></p></a></strong></a></strong></p></a></p></a></a></a></a></p></a></p></p></a></p>
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				<p>&nbsp;<a href="http://www.carbontax.org/blogarchives/2009/05/15/climate-and-policy-experts-warn-watered-down-cap-and-trade-bill-won’t-prevent-catastrophic-climate-change/" rel="nofollow">Climate and Policy Experts Warn Watered Down Cap-and-Trade Bill Won&rsquo;t Prevent Catastrophic Climate Change <p class="date" style="margin-top: 0pt;"> <p class="MsoNormal">&ldquo;The revised Waxman-Markey climate bill is too watered down to qualify
as a positive step for avoiding catastrophic climate disruption,&rdquo; said <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hansen" rel="nofollow">Dr. James Hansen, leading climate scientist and prominent advocate of a revenue-neutral carbon tax to curb climate change....<p class="MsoNormal">Clinton Administration Undersecretary of Commerce <a href="http://www.sonecon.com/about.php" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Robert Shapiro, who heads the <a href="http://www.climatetaskforce.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">U.S. Climate Task Force, recently wrote that after&nbsp;the Wall Street meltdown, carbon trading&nbsp;looks like&nbsp;a &ldquo;<a href="http://ndnblog.org/node/3761" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">dead policy walking.&rdquo;&nbsp;Both Hansen and&nbsp;Shapiro&nbsp;have <a href="../../../the-taxmen-cometh" rel="nofollow">urged policymakers to support a simpler and more transparent alternative of
setting prices through a carbon tax which would increase gradually and
whose revenues would be recycled back to taxpayers. This would raise
carbon prices in an orderly, predictable way without subjecting
consumers to price volatility and without delivering windfall profits
to companies receiving free allowances or fueling speculative trading
on secondary markets.<p class="MsoNormal">&ldquo;Predictably raising the price of carbon-based fuels is essential to
promote investment in low-carbon renewable energy and efficiency,&rdquo; said
Charles Komanoff, economist and co-director of the <a href="http://www.carbontax.org/" rel="nofollow">Carbon Tax Center.
Komanoff suggested that &ldquo;We will need a range of policies to avert
climate disaster, but without clear, orderly price signals, there
simply is no hope of creating the economy-wide incentives we need to
become a low-carbon economy.&rdquo;<p class="MsoNormal">&ldquo;There is a time to
compromise -- to accept the best that you are likely to get. This is
not one of those times,&rdquo; said Tom Stokes, coordinator of the <strong><a href="http://www.climatecrisiscoalition.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Climate Crisis Coalition.
&ldquo;We understand the need to get behind&nbsp;an effective&nbsp;climate bill.&nbsp; Dr.
Hansen's&nbsp;scientific findings are serious and compelling. Waxman-Markey
doesn't&nbsp;comes close to addressing the dire&nbsp;challenge we all face.&nbsp;&nbsp;As a
model for&nbsp;effective and fair climate&nbsp;legislation, we urge the Energy
and Commerce Committee to&nbsp;take a hard look&nbsp;at Rep. John Larson&rsquo;s carbon
tax bill, <strong><a href="http://www.pricecarbon.org/pdf/larson2009.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">America's Energy Security Trust Fund Act of 2009 (H.R. 1337).&nbsp; Larson's bill&nbsp;combines aggressive goals, quick
implementation, predictable carbon fees and an equitable recycling of
the revenues&nbsp;back to the people."<p class="MsoNormal">More at <a href="http://www.carbontax.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.carbontax.org and <a href="http://www.pricecarbon.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.pricecarbon.org</a></a></p></a></strong></a></strong></p></a></p></a></a></a></a></p></a></p></p></a></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by randino</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 06:26:00 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>There are a lot of people out there who may not be all that happy with the current proposal, who forget about what we are dealing with.&nbsp; We are dealing with Washington DC, folks.&nbsp; We are dealing with the Bunker of the Status Quo.&nbsp; Of course we are not going to be happy with what we are getting. We are NEVER going to get what we want from the beltway.&nbsp;</p><p>The battle is not on the playing field. It is in the parking lot.&nbsp; We need to prepare to take what piece of shit we get from Washington, and then work to use and abuse it to make real change for climate justice.&nbsp; You better believe that the forces of darkness have already cooked up a few dozen initiatives that they will launch, to bend things their way if the legislation passes.&nbsp;</p><p>We really need to get a lot more sophisticated and devious in how we approach taking on issues like this. I think the generation of reactionary rule we have just emerged from made us stupid.&nbsp; We have to learn to work on a lot of different levels, with a lot of different strategies, all operating at the same time.&nbsp; A hell of a juggling act, but one we have to become adept at if we are to save the planet and our butts.</p><p>Randy Cunningham, Cleveland OH</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
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				<p>There are a lot of people out there who may not be all that happy with the current proposal, who forget about what we are dealing with.&nbsp; We are dealing with Washington DC, folks.&nbsp; We are dealing with the Bunker of the Status Quo.&nbsp; Of course we are not going to be happy with what we are getting. We are NEVER going to get what we want from the beltway.&nbsp;</p><p>The battle is not on the playing field. It is in the parking lot.&nbsp; We need to prepare to take what piece of shit we get from Washington, and then work to use and abuse it to make real change for climate justice.&nbsp; You better believe that the forces of darkness have already cooked up a few dozen initiatives that they will launch, to bend things their way if the legislation passes.&nbsp;</p><p>We really need to get a lot more sophisticated and devious in how we approach taking on issues like this. I think the generation of reactionary rule we have just emerged from made us stupid.&nbsp; We have to learn to work on a lot of different levels, with a lot of different strategies, all operating at the same time.&nbsp; A hell of a juggling act, but one we have to become adept at if we are to save the planet and our butts.</p><p>Randy Cunningham, Cleveland OH</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Royal Enfield</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 20:15:48 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>The Goracle has spoken.&nbsp;&nbsp;Respect.</p>
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				<p>The Goracle has spoken.&nbsp;&nbsp;Respect.</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by sanderson508</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 10:15:11 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>of course the bill isn't perfect.&nbsp;&nbsp; If it were written to the standards of the environmentalists it would not have the remotest chance of passage.&nbsp;&nbsp; In working towards control by legislation, we must win by dealing with reality not lose by pursuing an unachievable ideal.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
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				<p>of course the bill isn't perfect.&nbsp;&nbsp; If it were written to the standards of the environmentalists it would not have the remotest chance of passage.&nbsp;&nbsp; In working towards control by legislation, we must win by dealing with reality not lose by pursuing an unachievable ideal.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by AideSurendettement</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 16:29:58 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>Bill not perfect and ?... It's an important thing : at least something is written ! we have to be patient and to fight to win our ecological war, but with politicals and so, it's slow : we know that !</p>
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				<p>Bill not perfect and ?... It's an important thing : at least something is written ! we have to be patient and to fight to win our ecological war, but with politicals and so, it's slow : we know that !</p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by RussellLowes</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 17:50:08 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>There are actually good bills that come out of Congress! I have no problem with some bills, but this one is a monster that will be hard to stop, if it passes. A great example of a great bill passed by Congress is the Wilderness Act. The recent expansion of two million acres was another great bill that was signed into law. There are ways to get a reasonable bill through Congress, and hopefully we will defeat this one and come up with better bills on reducing emissions in the future.</p>
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				<p>There are actually good bills that come out of Congress! I have no problem with some bills, but this one is a monster that will be hard to stop, if it passes. A great example of a great bill passed by Congress is the Wilderness Act. The recent expansion of two million acres was another great bill that was signed into law. There are ways to get a reasonable bill through Congress, and hopefully we will defeat this one and come up with better bills on reducing emissions in the future.</p>
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