<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for Barton worries that EPA will regulate runners]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by Sean Casten http://www.grist.org/article/2009-05-12-barton-worries-that-epa/ Tue, 12 May 2009 13:47:34 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/2009-05-12-barton-worries-that-epa/1 Barton isn't stupid.  But he isn't trying to advocate a better carbon bill, or indeed even to dirty his own hands with killing what's on offer.  He's simply trying to make the Dems look bad, stirring up noise so that the Rs can say that the Ds failed to enact their key legislative priorities two years from now.  Ditto for many of the others in the R party who are talkin' crazy every time they get a microphone in front of them:  They talk crazy, media reports on the crazy, gullible media asks Dems what they think of the crazy, Dems formulate responses to the crazy and the net result is really busy inaction, playing a game where the crazies write the rules.

It really isn't that hard to play another game.  You simply walk past Barton when he talks, stick your hands in your hears, say "LALALALA I'M NOT LISTENING TO CRAZY JOE LALALALA", keep walking and then get back to being productive.  Anything that engages beyond that is playing into his intent.  The man deserves to be marginalized.  Let's give him what he deserves, until he's willing to engage more constructively.

]]> Barton isn't stupid.  But he isn't trying to advocate a better carbon bill, or indeed even to dirty his own hands with killing what's on offer.  He's simply trying to make the Dems look bad, stirring up noise so that the Rs can say that the Ds failed to enact their key legislative priorities two years from now.  Ditto for many of the others in the R party who are talkin' crazy every time they get a microphone in front of them:  They talk crazy, media reports on the crazy, gullible media asks Dems what they think of the crazy, Dems formulate responses to the crazy and the net result is really busy inaction, playing a game where the crazies write the rules.

It really isn't that hard to play another game.  You simply walk past Barton when he talks, stick your hands in your hears, say "LALALALA I'M NOT LISTENING TO CRAZY JOE LALALALA", keep walking and then get back to being productive.  Anything that engages beyond that is playing into his intent.  The man deserves to be marginalized.  Let's give him what he deserves, until he's willing to engage more constructively.

]]> Comment #2 by Chris McMasters http://www.grist.org/article/2009-05-12-barton-worries-that-epa/ Tue, 12 May 2009 23:01:42 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/2009-05-12-barton-worries-that-epa/2 I second that.

]]> I second that.

]]> Comment #3 by amazingdrx http://www.grist.org/article/2009-05-12-barton-worries-that-epa/ Wed, 13 May 2009 00:02:47 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/2009-05-12-barton-worries-that-epa/3 Barton has watched too much Colbert,hehey.  "Say it ain't so joe",palin.

]]> Barton has watched too much Colbert,hehey.  "Say it ain't so joe",palin.

]]> Comment #4 by Javaman http://www.grist.org/article/2009-05-12-barton-worries-that-epa/ Wed, 13 May 2009 07:06:42 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/2009-05-12-barton-worries-that-epa/4 barton is what I like to call "an opportunist alarmist". aka an idiot.

]]> barton is what I like to call "an opportunist alarmist". aka an idiot.

]]> Comment #5 by amazingdrx http://www.grist.org/article/2009-05-12-barton-worries-that-epa/ Wed, 13 May 2009 09:13:07 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/2009-05-12-barton-worries-that-epa/5 The trouble with dismissing this nonsense is that it is the tip of the iceberg.

For instance: Up until about 15 years ago, foamy pollution was evident just below the papermill dam here on the Wisconsin River.  How was it "cleaned up"?  large golding tanmks were installed to mix the contaminated water exiting the plant with river water, so the foam would not be evident in the much diluted effluent.  A fake fix.

But legal! Why? Because pollution is measured as a percentage of water/air, and industry has virtually unlimited water use.  This green (stream) washing has been repeated 10s of thousands of times across the country.  Did it help stop pollution?

Joe Barton claims that concentrating the breath of 1000s of runners constitutes pollution under point-source rules, but obviously the runners breathing as on any normal day, not in a group, creates the same total amount of GHG.

So spread the nat gas drill rig pollution all over western ground water and it's ok?  But having it come from one point source like a refinery would be regulated?  or dilute nuclear waste in ocean water and it's harmless?  We have work to do to defeat this creative bioshpere destruction in the name of the corporate bottomline.

How to really stop industrial pollution and GHG?  Instead of greenwashing it.

http://search.twitter.com/search?q=amazingdrx

]]> The trouble with dismissing this nonsense is that it is the tip of the iceberg.

For instance: Up until about 15 years ago, foamy pollution was evident just below the papermill dam here on the Wisconsin River.  How was it "cleaned up"?  large golding tanmks were installed to mix the contaminated water exiting the plant with river water, so the foam would not be evident in the much diluted effluent.  A fake fix.

But legal! Why? Because pollution is measured as a percentage of water/air, and industry has virtually unlimited water use.  This green (stream) washing has been repeated 10s of thousands of times across the country.  Did it help stop pollution?

Joe Barton claims that concentrating the breath of 1000s of runners constitutes pollution under point-source rules, but obviously the runners breathing as on any normal day, not in a group, creates the same total amount of GHG.

So spread the nat gas drill rig pollution all over western ground water and it's ok?  But having it come from one point source like a refinery would be regulated?  or dilute nuclear waste in ocean water and it's harmless?  We have work to do to defeat this creative bioshpere destruction in the name of the corporate bottomline.

How to really stop industrial pollution and GHG?  Instead of greenwashing it.

http://search.twitter.com/search?q=amazingdrx

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