<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for Businesses struggle to profit from sewage sludge]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by dbaker http://www.grist.org/article/2009-05-06-sludge-energy-business/ Wed, 06 May 2009 19:22:59 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/2009-05-06-sludge-energy-business/1 Dennis Baker
103-66 duncan ave west
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cell 250-462-2771
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RE : The solution to climate change.
( human excrement + nuclear waste = hydrogen )
The USA discharges Trillions of tons of sewage annually, sufficient quantity to sustain electrical generation requirements of the USA.
Redirecting existing sewage systems to containment facilities would be a considerable infrastructure modification project.
It is the intense radiation that causes the conversion of organic material into hydrogen, therefore what some would consider the most dangerous waste because of its radiation would be the best for this utilization.
I believe the combination of clean water and clean air, will increase the life expectance of humans.
yours sincerely
Dennis Baker












]]> Dennis Baker
103-66 duncan ave west
penticton bc canada V2A6Z3
cell 250-462-2771
fax 250-493-3463
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RE : The solution to climate change.
( human excrement + nuclear waste = hydrogen )
The USA discharges Trillions of tons of sewage annually, sufficient quantity to sustain electrical generation requirements of the USA.
Redirecting existing sewage systems to containment facilities would be a considerable infrastructure modification project.
It is the intense radiation that causes the conversion of organic material into hydrogen, therefore what some would consider the most dangerous waste because of its radiation would be the best for this utilization.
I believe the combination of clean water and clean air, will increase the life expectance of humans.
yours sincerely
Dennis Baker












]]> Comment #2 by amazingdrx http://www.grist.org/article/2009-05-06-sludge-energy-business/ Wed, 06 May 2009 22:35:35 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/2009-05-06-sludge-energy-business/2 Once the whole waste stream is boiled down to sludge it's toxic, no way around that.

So separate it, early on.  Urine is contaminated by drugs, but it can be converted to organic fertilizer and the drug compounds can be broken down.  Feces can be digested along with fiber waste to make energy and fertilizer.  The oil and chemicals  in storm drains that is so very toxic needs solar furnace treatment to become harmless.

Mixing it together really makes a toxic mess, wether it's burned, buried, or whatever.

]]> Once the whole waste stream is boiled down to sludge it's toxic, no way around that.

So separate it, early on.  Urine is contaminated by drugs, but it can be converted to organic fertilizer and the drug compounds can be broken down.  Feces can be digested along with fiber waste to make energy and fertilizer.  The oil and chemicals  in storm drains that is so very toxic needs solar furnace treatment to become harmless.

Mixing it together really makes a toxic mess, wether it's burned, buried, or whatever.

]]> Comment #3 by dbaker http://www.grist.org/article/2009-05-06-sludge-energy-business/ Thu, 07 May 2009 04:27:35 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/2009-05-06-sludge-energy-business/3 what doesn't get converted into hydrogen is disposed of through transmutation, a process invented by Professor Brown which reduces the half life of radioactive materials from 100,000 years to 19 seconds.

]]> what doesn't get converted into hydrogen is disposed of through transmutation, a process invented by Professor Brown which reduces the half life of radioactive materials from 100,000 years to 19 seconds.

]]> Comment #4 by peter88bax http://www.grist.org/article/2009-05-06-sludge-energy-business/ Thu, 07 May 2009 06:49:40 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/2009-05-06-sludge-energy-business/4 Comment #5 by KMD http://www.grist.org/article/2009-05-06-sludge-energy-business/ Thu, 07 May 2009 11:54:43 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/2009-05-06-sludge-energy-business/5 I think a dose of reality is required here.  How exactly are we going to separate urine, feces and industrial inputs?  We would have to completely re-do the entire infrastructure of the country, have different pipes carrying different wastes to different places.  Good luck finding trillions of dollars to pay for it.  Are you willing to have your front lawn dug up to accomodate two different sewage pipes, not to mention every street under which a sewage pipe runs?

You also say that drugs can be broken down.  Many drugs are resistant to breakdown, and different technologies are required for different drugs.  How much do you think that will cost?  Some drugs are just converted to different forms and because they are no longer detected in their original form, only appear to have been removed. 

]]> I think a dose of reality is required here.  How exactly are we going to separate urine, feces and industrial inputs?  We would have to completely re-do the entire infrastructure of the country, have different pipes carrying different wastes to different places.  Good luck finding trillions of dollars to pay for it.  Are you willing to have your front lawn dug up to accomodate two different sewage pipes, not to mention every street under which a sewage pipe runs?

You also say that drugs can be broken down.  Many drugs are resistant to breakdown, and different technologies are required for different drugs.  How much do you think that will cost?  Some drugs are just converted to different forms and because they are no longer detected in their original form, only appear to have been removed. 

]]> Comment #6 by dbaker http://www.grist.org/article/2009-05-06-sludge-energy-business/ Fri, 08 May 2009 05:01:11 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/2009-05-06-sludge-energy-business/6 once we as a society redirect sewage to containment facilities for conversion to hydrogen, a public awareness campaign to teach what is acceptable and what is not acceptable will be required.

Industries will need to find alternatives to dumping chemicals into the system. which I might point out is illegal right now

]]> once we as a society redirect sewage to containment facilities for conversion to hydrogen, a public awareness campaign to teach what is acceptable and what is not acceptable will be required.

Industries will need to find alternatives to dumping chemicals into the system. which I might point out is illegal right now

]]> Comment #7 by amazingdrx http://www.grist.org/article/2009-05-06-sludge-energy-business/ Fri, 08 May 2009 11:05:12 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/2009-05-06-sludge-energy-business/7 Pipes and more pipes,hehey.  Luckily Bucky Fuller already solved this problem.  In fact urine separating toilets are in operation right now.  The volume of urine and feces is so small once the water is evaporated, and this type of toilet uses no water for flushing, no pipes are needed for human sewage, it can be collected in dry form a few times per year.

Then the gray water needs no pipes either, it can water the lawn or garden.

All that's left is storm sewers and industrial waste water.  Industrial waste water can be recycled at the factory and storm drain water routed to settling and recycling ponds. 

This whole system, along with Bucky's air pressure water spray washing/showering invention (that reduces water use by 90%), will cut water use drastically.

Oh, how to break down drugs in urine?  First the solid fertilizer is separated by a simple chemical procedure, then the remaining contaminated mixture can be biodigested over and over until bacteria completely disassemble the offending compounds.

http://twitter.com/amazingdrx

]]> Pipes and more pipes,hehey.  Luckily Bucky Fuller already solved this problem.  In fact urine separating toilets are in operation right now.  The volume of urine and feces is so small once the water is evaporated, and this type of toilet uses no water for flushing, no pipes are needed for human sewage, it can be collected in dry form a few times per year.

Then the gray water needs no pipes either, it can water the lawn or garden.

All that's left is storm sewers and industrial waste water.  Industrial waste water can be recycled at the factory and storm drain water routed to settling and recycling ponds. 

This whole system, along with Bucky's air pressure water spray washing/showering invention (that reduces water use by 90%), will cut water use drastically.

Oh, how to break down drugs in urine?  First the solid fertilizer is separated by a simple chemical procedure, then the remaining contaminated mixture can be biodigested over and over until bacteria completely disassemble the offending compounds.

http://twitter.com/amazingdrx

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