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            <title>Comment #1 by PermieWriter</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:07:09 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>I know the guy who runs Sustainable Hosting. He buys all wind power for their needs and is extremely customer focussed (and does all of the networks for the SF Green Festival). Were I to start a website, I know that I'd host it there.</p>
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				<p>I know the guy who runs Sustainable Hosting. He buys all wind power for their needs and is extremely customer focussed (and does all of the networks for the SF Green Festival). Were I to start a website, I know that I'd host it there.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by featherfish81</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:22:15 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>Related to this, I am considering starting a blog.&nbsp; Are there green blog hosting sites that anyone knows of?</p>
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				<p>Related to this, I am considering starting a blog.&nbsp; Are there green blog hosting sites that anyone knows of?</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Bart Anderson</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:58:03 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>There's a HUGE aspect of the problem that needs to be talked about - designing websites to be low-consumption.<p>Every kilobyte should contribute something to the message.&nbsp; Avoid flashy designs that require huge files to be transferred.&nbsp;<p>It's always a winner to rely heavily on text and images with small files (re-sized or compressed if necessary). Keep navigation simple and intuitive. Eliminate the superfluous.<br />Why is this important? Because if your site is a bandwidth hog, it puts more pressure on every part of the system.&nbsp;Your readers will need more powerful computers and higher bandwith connections.The host will need more diskspace for storing the files and more capaacity to handle traffic.Complex sites mean that more things will go wrong. You will have to put more resources into fixing and maintainig the site.<p>One other idea: before starting your own site, see if you can meet your needs by contributing your work to an existing site.&nbsp;&nbsp; Having your own site is a lot of work - why not cooperate with someone else, so there are fewer, higher quality sites?<p>Bart / Energy Bulletin <a href="http://www.energybulletin.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.energybulletin.net</a></p></p></br></p></p></p>
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				<p>There's a HUGE aspect of the problem that needs to be talked about - designing websites to be low-consumption.<p>Every kilobyte should contribute something to the message.&nbsp; Avoid flashy designs that require huge files to be transferred.&nbsp;<p>It's always a winner to rely heavily on text and images with small files (re-sized or compressed if necessary). Keep navigation simple and intuitive. Eliminate the superfluous.<br />Why is this important? Because if your site is a bandwidth hog, it puts more pressure on every part of the system.&nbsp;Your readers will need more powerful computers and higher bandwith connections.The host will need more diskspace for storing the files and more capaacity to handle traffic.Complex sites mean that more things will go wrong. You will have to put more resources into fixing and maintainig the site.<p>One other idea: before starting your own site, see if you can meet your needs by contributing your work to an existing site.&nbsp;&nbsp; Having your own site is a lot of work - why not cooperate with someone else, so there are fewer, higher quality sites?<p>Bart / Energy Bulletin <a href="http://www.energybulletin.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.energybulletin.net</a></p></p></br></p></p></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by ivanoats</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:35:24 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>To answer Featherfish81's question above, all SustainableWebsites.com <a href="http://www.sustainablewebsites.com" rel="nofollow"> green web hosting plans come with an automatic WordPress (blog) installer in the control panel.

<p>We're not only carbon neutral, we're actively reducing our impact. Check out the energy and water saving, and waste reducing, efforts that our datacenter is doing. Then, we offset what we can't reduce. <a href="http://www.sustainablewebsites.com/green-data-center" rel="nofollow">http://www.sustainablewebsites.com/green-data-center </a></p></a></p>
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				<p>To answer Featherfish81's question above, all SustainableWebsites.com <a href="http://www.sustainablewebsites.com" rel="nofollow"> green web hosting plans come with an automatic WordPress (blog) installer in the control panel.

<p>We're not only carbon neutral, we're actively reducing our impact. Check out the energy and water saving, and waste reducing, efforts that our datacenter is doing. Then, we offset what we can't reduce. <a href="http://www.sustainablewebsites.com/green-data-center" rel="nofollow">http://www.sustainablewebsites.com/green-data-center </a></p></a></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by FreBird</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:31:14 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Well, I&nbsp;trust you're all generating your own power to run those dual 22" LCD displays, 95W quad core processors, and graphics cards; not to mention the coffee pot and pencil sharpener. And&nbsp;keep in mind&nbsp;a black background while designing your web-site, like this one <a href="http://www.adamjsteele.com/" rel="nofollow"><strong>www.adamJsteele.com</strong></a></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Well, I&nbsp;trust you're all generating your own power to run those dual 22" LCD displays, 95W quad core processors, and graphics cards; not to mention the coffee pot and pencil sharpener. And&nbsp;keep in mind&nbsp;a black background while designing your web-site, like this one <a href="http://www.adamjsteele.com/" rel="nofollow"><strong>www.adamJsteele.com</strong></a></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by Grantman</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/2009-04-22-umbra-advises-web-hosting/</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:13:16 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>Shared hosting companies often put hundreds of websites on a single server, so the per-website power consumption is actually pretty small (especially for a small, static website like an author would have).&nbsp; That said, there are hosting companies that are "green powered," as they note in the article.&nbsp; However, I'm sure they charge a lot more.&nbsp; You'd probably be better off paying $5 a month for a cheapo hosting account and then taking the extra $15/month you would have spent on a green hosting account and put that money towards environmental causes you are interested in.</p>
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				<p>Shared hosting companies often put hundreds of websites on a single server, so the per-website power consumption is actually pretty small (especially for a small, static website like an author would have).&nbsp; That said, there are hosting companies that are "green powered," as they note in the article.&nbsp; However, I'm sure they charge a lot more.&nbsp; You'd probably be better off paying $5 a month for a cheapo hosting account and then taking the extra $15/month you would have spent on a green hosting account and put that money towards environmental causes you are interested in.</p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by kmp</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:17:00 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>I've been using <a href="http://hostpapa.com/" rel="nofollow">Host Papa, who are powered with 100% green energy, for over a year now to host my professional website, and I've been very happy with them.</a></p>
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				<p>I've been using <a href="http://hostpapa.com/" rel="nofollow">Host Papa, who are powered with 100% green energy, for over a year now to host my professional website, and I've been very happy with them.</a></p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by splashy</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/2009-04-22-umbra-advises-web-hosting/</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:36:13 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>The fewer graphics and other bandwidth hogs, and the more text, the better for bandwidth, which lowers the footprint.</p>
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				<p>The fewer graphics and other bandwidth hogs, and the more text, the better for bandwidth, which lowers the footprint.</p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by Jon Rynn</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:50:15 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>"Divorce your car", the book written by the author of the question, is so much more important for saving energy, in my opinion, thatnworrying about your energy consumption on a computer, that it completely pales in comparison.&nbsp; Worry about your transit, not your computer.</p><p>As for energy consumption of web hosting, the big question is probably more companies like google and yahoo, who have huge server farms.&nbsp; I remember reading that there was some consideration of putting huge server farms in places like North Dakota, where you could hook them up easily to wind farms.&nbsp; Pushing for something like that would be the low-hanging fruit with servers.</p>
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				<p>"Divorce your car", the book written by the author of the question, is so much more important for saving energy, in my opinion, thatnworrying about your energy consumption on a computer, that it completely pales in comparison.&nbsp; Worry about your transit, not your computer.</p><p>As for energy consumption of web hosting, the big question is probably more companies like google and yahoo, who have huge server farms.&nbsp; I remember reading that there was some consideration of putting huge server farms in places like North Dakota, where you could hook them up easily to wind farms.&nbsp; Pushing for something like that would be the low-hanging fruit with servers.</p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by eal79</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 09:51:05 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>I'm glad people are pointing out bandwidth as an issue.&nbsp; Absolutely agree with Bart &amp; Splashy on those points.&nbsp;</p><p>ALSO, Smart website design is really important.&nbsp; The author (and anyone else) should think carefully about who the website is intended for &amp; what information it should convey.&nbsp; Keep it simple, keep it easy to navigate (and include the meta-info like keywords).&nbsp; That will limit the energy use of people visiting the site.&nbsp; (And really, you could be HELPING reduce energy use by making it easier for web users to find the info, therefore spending less time searching the web for it.)</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
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				<p>I'm glad people are pointing out bandwidth as an issue.&nbsp; Absolutely agree with Bart &amp; Splashy on those points.&nbsp;</p><p>ALSO, Smart website design is really important.&nbsp; The author (and anyone else) should think carefully about who the website is intended for &amp; what information it should convey.&nbsp; Keep it simple, keep it easy to navigate (and include the meta-info like keywords).&nbsp; That will limit the energy use of people visiting the site.&nbsp; (And really, you could be HELPING reduce energy use by making it easier for web users to find the info, therefore spending less time searching the web for it.)</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
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            <title>Comment #11 by enviroperk</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:08:29 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>Black backgrounds do not save energy on LCD screens. That is a fallacy.</p><p>Try this test: plug your monitor into a Kill-A-Watt $20 measuring device. Tell me if you see more than 1 watt difference between a black screen and a white screen.</p><p>A modern hosting server with intel dual core processors consumes 60-70 watts per hour. The air conditioning is another 20-25%, switching equipment 10% and power conversion loss 8%. Total under&nbsp; 100 watts per hour. This server can easily handle 500 or more personal web sites.</p><p>So the average personal web site consumes .2 watts per hour .48 watts per day and about 15 watts per month. Quite a bit less than one "wall-wart" that is connected to something that is turned off.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
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				<p>Black backgrounds do not save energy on LCD screens. That is a fallacy.</p><p>Try this test: plug your monitor into a Kill-A-Watt $20 measuring device. Tell me if you see more than 1 watt difference between a black screen and a white screen.</p><p>A modern hosting server with intel dual core processors consumes 60-70 watts per hour. The air conditioning is another 20-25%, switching equipment 10% and power conversion loss 8%. Total under&nbsp; 100 watts per hour. This server can easily handle 500 or more personal web sites.</p><p>So the average personal web site consumes .2 watts per hour .48 watts per day and about 15 watts per month. Quite a bit less than one "wall-wart" that is connected to something that is turned off.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
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            <title>Comment #12 by kceridon</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 06:21:02 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>This makes me ponder what the footprint of selling 1000 books (cradle to grave) is compared having 1000 visitors to a website.&nbsp; Sure, that may not make you as much money, but it is about perspective.</p>
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				<p>This makes me ponder what the footprint of selling 1000 books (cradle to grave) is compared having 1000 visitors to a website.&nbsp; Sure, that may not make you as much money, but it is about perspective.</p>
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            <title>Comment #13 by PC</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:57:17 -0700</pubDate>
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				We use sustainable websites for our reclaimed wood furniture site and we have been really happy with it.  It makes sense to try and have your web hosting also reflect your values about energy.
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				We use sustainable websites for our reclaimed wood furniture site and we have been really happy with it.  It makes sense to try and have your web hosting also reflect your values about energy.
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