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            <title>Comment #1 by Pangolin</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/2009-04-09-potter-geothermal/</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:51:09 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>While technically fascinating this isn't much more than vaporware. These guys haven't even drilled a short well with this tech and a several mile long pipe isn't going to handle those temperatures. Don't hold your breath.</p>
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				<p>While technically fascinating this isn't much more than vaporware. These guys haven't even drilled a short well with this tech and a several mile long pipe isn't going to handle those temperatures. Don't hold your breath.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Tasermons Partner</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:52:44 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>It's a good idea.</p><p>But there's also much untapped&nbsp;thermal energy we can get right from own urban environments.&nbsp; Asphalt and concrete store HUGE amounts of thermal/heat energy.&nbsp; If we converted our roads, freeways, driveways, parking lots, and rooftops to harness that thermal energy, there'd be more than enough for everyone!&nbsp; 'Specially in the summer months.</p>
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				<p>It's a good idea.</p><p>But there's also much untapped&nbsp;thermal energy we can get right from own urban environments.&nbsp; Asphalt and concrete store HUGE amounts of thermal/heat energy.&nbsp; If we converted our roads, freeways, driveways, parking lots, and rooftops to harness that thermal energy, there'd be more than enough for everyone!&nbsp; 'Specially in the summer months.</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by amazingdrx</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/2009-04-09-potter-geothermal/</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 21:29:48 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>These veteran gristmill skeptics have got it right.  For instance,why not plasma electrically powered drilling, send a microwave laser beam down the pipe?  it's less vaporwarish than this scheme.<p>Check <a href="http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2009/3/24/4131706.html" rel="nofollow">Rasor Technologies low temp waste heat tapping refrigerant powered turbine generators, internet control ready and able to run on easier to tap low temp geothermal, stored solar thermal, and industrial byproduct heat using no water.<p>When geothermal steam adbocates tell me it's a "closed loop" traveling through underground rock fractures, I'm skeptical.  Aquifers contaminasted or dissapearing down sinkholes might come next.  Water it's a really bad idea to waste it generating power when it's not necessary.  Wind, solar, and razor's turbine need no water.  Biodigestion of waste actually recycles water.<p>Besides which this whole idea of renewable energy being unavailable in coal country is ludricrous.  for one thing, coal is mined in West virginia and sold to China, everywhere is coal country.  An HVDC national supergrid would make renewable energy available everywhere. Leave our earthquake prone mother earth be.  No water/steam based geothermal.<p>twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/amazingdrx" rel="nofollow">@amazingdrx  <a href="http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog" rel="nofollow">blog</a></a></p></p></p></a></p></p>
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				<p>These veteran gristmill skeptics have got it right.  For instance,why not plasma electrically powered drilling, send a microwave laser beam down the pipe?  it's less vaporwarish than this scheme.<p>Check <a href="http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2009/3/24/4131706.html" rel="nofollow">Rasor Technologies low temp waste heat tapping refrigerant powered turbine generators, internet control ready and able to run on easier to tap low temp geothermal, stored solar thermal, and industrial byproduct heat using no water.<p>When geothermal steam adbocates tell me it's a "closed loop" traveling through underground rock fractures, I'm skeptical.  Aquifers contaminasted or dissapearing down sinkholes might come next.  Water it's a really bad idea to waste it generating power when it's not necessary.  Wind, solar, and razor's turbine need no water.  Biodigestion of waste actually recycles water.<p>Besides which this whole idea of renewable energy being unavailable in coal country is ludricrous.  for one thing, coal is mined in West virginia and sold to China, everywhere is coal country.  An HVDC national supergrid would make renewable energy available everywhere. Leave our earthquake prone mother earth be.  No water/steam based geothermal.<p>twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/amazingdrx" rel="nofollow">@amazingdrx  <a href="http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog" rel="nofollow">blog</a></a></p></p></p></a></p></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by PARice</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/2009-04-09-potter-geothermal/</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:02:51 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>I'm not a geologist, but I understand that the heat underneath the earth's&nbsp;outermost layer&nbsp;tends to provide upward pressure on the land, so that when you tap the earth's heat, you run the risk of subsidence of the land. Could one of you geologists out there comment on the possibility of subsidence, as well as other risks in tapping geothermal heat energy.</p><p>Thanks.</p>
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				<p>I'm not a geologist, but I understand that the heat underneath the earth's&nbsp;outermost layer&nbsp;tends to provide upward pressure on the land, so that when you tap the earth's heat, you run the risk of subsidence of the land. Could one of you geologists out there comment on the possibility of subsidence, as well as other risks in tapping geothermal heat energy.</p><p>Thanks.</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by PARice</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/2009-04-09-potter-geothermal/</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:04:45 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>I'm not a geologist, but I understand that the heat underneath the earth's&nbsp;outermost layer&nbsp;tends to provide upward pressure on the land, so that when you tap the earth's heat, you run the risk of subsidence of the land. Could one of you geologists out there comment on the possibility of subsidence, as well as other risks in tapping geothermal heat energy.</p><p>Thanks.</p>
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				<p>I'm not a geologist, but I understand that the heat underneath the earth's&nbsp;outermost layer&nbsp;tends to provide upward pressure on the land, so that when you tap the earth's heat, you run the risk of subsidence of the land. Could one of you geologists out there comment on the possibility of subsidence, as well as other risks in tapping geothermal heat energy.</p><p>Thanks.</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by PARice</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:05:53 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>I'm not a geologist, but I understand that the heat underneath the earth's&nbsp;outermost layer&nbsp;tends to provide upward pressure on the land, so that when you tap the earth's heat, you run the risk of subsidence of the land. Could one of you geologists out there comment on the possibility of subsidence, as well as other risks in tapping geothermal heat energy.</p><p>Thanks.</p>
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				<p>I'm not a geologist, but I understand that the heat underneath the earth's&nbsp;outermost layer&nbsp;tends to provide upward pressure on the land, so that when you tap the earth's heat, you run the risk of subsidence of the land. Could one of you geologists out there comment on the possibility of subsidence, as well as other risks in tapping geothermal heat energy.</p><p>Thanks.</p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by PARice</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:14:49 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>I'm not a geologist, but I understand that the heat underneath the earth's&nbsp;outermost layer&nbsp;tends to provide upward pressure on the land, so that when you tap the earth's heat, you run the risk of subsidence of the land. Could one of you geologists out there comment on the possibility of subsidence, as well as other risks in tapping geothermal heat energy.</p><p>Thanks.</p>
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				<p>I'm not a geologist, but I understand that the heat underneath the earth's&nbsp;outermost layer&nbsp;tends to provide upward pressure on the land, so that when you tap the earth's heat, you run the risk of subsidence of the land. Could one of you geologists out there comment on the possibility of subsidence, as well as other risks in tapping geothermal heat energy.</p><p>Thanks.</p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by MrMickeysMom</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 06:50:47 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>Hello,</p><p>As a first post here, I'm interested in knowing more about geothermal technology. Potter, the eleder in the article really sounds provocative in his quest for a technology before he leaves this earth. It seems that is wonderful, regardless of what we learn.</p><p>Meanwhile... I have listened to a presentation in the SW of PA as described (marketed) by the Alliance for Cooperative Innovation, also provocative. They are a coop trying to build momentum in our commonwealth through local municipal charter members (trying to address all those failed "3 ring binder" projects) by developing and implementing community revitalization through public-private partnership. They apparently have done (or are in the process of finishing) a geothermal energy (district loop) with their members in the city of Warren, PA, upstate from where I am (Monroeville).</p><p>What does anyone here think of the design of geothermal energy which uses stable ground and/or water temperatures near the earth's surface to control building temperatures above ground? They say that according to the U.S. EPA, geothermal heat pumps are the most energy-efficient, environmentally clearn and cost-effective systems for temperature control. A company called Georthermal Energy Systems, Inc uses a patient pending hybrid desirned low-temperature district system coupled with geothermal heat pumps to deliver energy efficient heating and cooling based on renewable energy and user-controlled thermal comfort.  Apparently geothermal heat pump systems (open or closed loop) hold the potential to address global issues related to energy cost and polution.</p><p>Thanks for your thoughts. I've much to learn.</p>
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				<p>Hello,</p><p>As a first post here, I'm interested in knowing more about geothermal technology. Potter, the eleder in the article really sounds provocative in his quest for a technology before he leaves this earth. It seems that is wonderful, regardless of what we learn.</p><p>Meanwhile... I have listened to a presentation in the SW of PA as described (marketed) by the Alliance for Cooperative Innovation, also provocative. They are a coop trying to build momentum in our commonwealth through local municipal charter members (trying to address all those failed "3 ring binder" projects) by developing and implementing community revitalization through public-private partnership. They apparently have done (or are in the process of finishing) a geothermal energy (district loop) with their members in the city of Warren, PA, upstate from where I am (Monroeville).</p><p>What does anyone here think of the design of geothermal energy which uses stable ground and/or water temperatures near the earth's surface to control building temperatures above ground? They say that according to the U.S. EPA, geothermal heat pumps are the most energy-efficient, environmentally clearn and cost-effective systems for temperature control. A company called Georthermal Energy Systems, Inc uses a patient pending hybrid desirned low-temperature district system coupled with geothermal heat pumps to deliver energy efficient heating and cooling based on renewable energy and user-controlled thermal comfort.  Apparently geothermal heat pump systems (open or closed loop) hold the potential to address global issues related to energy cost and polution.</p><p>Thanks for your thoughts. I've much to learn.</p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by Erik Hoffner</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/2009-04-09-potter-geothermal/</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 12:26:34 -0700</pubDate>
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				MRMICKEYSMOM: good to hear folks in PA are looking into geothermal. Using near surface underground temps for heating and cooling of buildings is a great way to go. Takes a fair amount of energy to pump the warm or cool fluid around, but overall it's efficient. Check this article about a school in upstate NY that you could learn from:

"...officials at the State University of New York at Brockport turned to sustainable technology and geothermal ground-source pumps to support the heating and cooling needs at the college's recently completed 208-bed student housing complex." More here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/c782cs" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/c782cs

Maybe the school or its facilities director can tell you more if you contact them. Erik, Orion Grassroots Network</a>
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				MRMICKEYSMOM: good to hear folks in PA are looking into geothermal. Using near surface underground temps for heating and cooling of buildings is a great way to go. Takes a fair amount of energy to pump the warm or cool fluid around, but overall it's efficient. Check this article about a school in upstate NY that you could learn from:

"...officials at the State University of New York at Brockport turned to sustainable technology and geothermal ground-source pumps to support the heating and cooling needs at the college's recently completed 208-bed student housing complex." More here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/c782cs" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/c782cs

Maybe the school or its facilities director can tell you more if you contact them. Erik, Orion Grassroots Network</a>
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            <title>Comment #10 by MrMickeysMom</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:40:49 -0700</pubDate>
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				Erik,

I just finished reading the article. Really good, and thank you. I'm not sure the state of things in PA, but I'd like to see how that campus is doing at this point in time and I'll have to contact them. I'm going to share this with others. 

There is so much of a push here to continue gas well drilling (we're sitting rich on the Marcellus Shale Deposit). The only thing that seems green about that industry is the gold rush attitude of those who want to push some new industry without looking at the repercussions.

Again, thanks.
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				Erik,

I just finished reading the article. Really good, and thank you. I'm not sure the state of things in PA, but I'd like to see how that campus is doing at this point in time and I'll have to contact them. I'm going to share this with others. 

There is so much of a push here to continue gas well drilling (we're sitting rich on the Marcellus Shale Deposit). The only thing that seems green about that industry is the gold rush attitude of those who want to push some new industry without looking at the repercussions.

Again, thanks.
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