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            <title>Comment #1 by Biodiversivist</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/15023-days-remain-to-save-our-oceans/</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 05:01:52 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Ate Salmon last night<p>because my wife cooked it, because my daugter loves it, and I did not want to take that away from either of them with a sermon.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Help acquire and protect ecological hotspots, give to a conservation organization: <a href="http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Ate Salmon last night<p>because my wife cooked it, because my daugter loves it, and I did not want to take that away from either of them with a sermon.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Help acquire and protect ecological hotspots, give to a conservation organization: <a href="http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by SMLowry</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/15023-days-remain-to-save-our-oceans/</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 06:38:29 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>It's more than fishers</strong></p><p>It's pretty sobering to learn that in a few short years there will be no fish at the market. Current fishing practices, especially those of large-scale fishers must take responsibility for this, but the fact that we're polluting the oceans like never before has to have a rather large impact on fish populations as well. It always irks me when something like red tide, for example, that has been a serious issue on the coast of Maine, is noted on the news, along with the devastation to local fishers/clammers/ lobsterers, etc. and then the reporter says something like, "we have no idea why this is happening". Come on. You can't tell me that all the crap we put into the world's oceans doesn't have something to do with it, or the changing temperature of the water, or increased acidification due to increased uptake of CO2 or something in addition to overfishing - something that we're doing.<br>
That said, it's very disheartening and I had the same reaction as biodiv - I shouldn't ever eat fish again. And I had bought salmon for dinner, too, line caught from Alaska, before I heard the news. Sigh . . . </br></p>
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				<p><strong>It's more than fishers</strong></p><p>It's pretty sobering to learn that in a few short years there will be no fish at the market. Current fishing practices, especially those of large-scale fishers must take responsibility for this, but the fact that we're polluting the oceans like never before has to have a rather large impact on fish populations as well. It always irks me when something like red tide, for example, that has been a serious issue on the coast of Maine, is noted on the news, along with the devastation to local fishers/clammers/ lobsterers, etc. and then the reporter says something like, "we have no idea why this is happening". Come on. You can't tell me that all the crap we put into the world's oceans doesn't have something to do with it, or the changing temperature of the water, or increased acidification due to increased uptake of CO2 or something in addition to overfishing - something that we're doing.<br>
That said, it's very disheartening and I had the same reaction as biodiv - I shouldn't ever eat fish again. And I had bought salmon for dinner, too, line caught from Alaska, before I heard the news. Sigh . . . </br></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 08:23:05 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>lobsters, etc.</strong></p><p>To SMLowry: Well done to point out "increased acidification due to increased uptake of CO2," which it is not clear Boris Worm and his group considered. &nbsp;That phenomenon is apparently increasing, the more CO2 is emitted into the atmosphere. &nbsp;That spells danger for mollusks and crustaceans with calcareous shells or exoskeletons. &nbsp;The smaller members of those groups are pretty much at the bottom of the food chain; it will be a catastrophe if they are reduced to the point of extinction.</p><p>
And as you say, there are serious pollution problems too, which are just getting worse.</p><p>
Still, the powerful appeal to reform fishing practices is not itself wrongheaded, so long as it is understood that that is not the whole solution by any means.</p><p>
When I was in Maine last summer, I got the impression that the lobsterers were quite proud of themselves, regarding how reasonably and sustainably they were managing that fishery. &nbsp;I have no reason to doubt them, but could not help suspecting that something else in the ecosystem was paying a price.

<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></p>
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				<p><strong>lobsters, etc.</strong></p><p>To SMLowry: Well done to point out "increased acidification due to increased uptake of CO2," which it is not clear Boris Worm and his group considered. &nbsp;That phenomenon is apparently increasing, the more CO2 is emitted into the atmosphere. &nbsp;That spells danger for mollusks and crustaceans with calcareous shells or exoskeletons. &nbsp;The smaller members of those groups are pretty much at the bottom of the food chain; it will be a catastrophe if they are reduced to the point of extinction.</p><p>
And as you say, there are serious pollution problems too, which are just getting worse.</p><p>
Still, the powerful appeal to reform fishing practices is not itself wrongheaded, so long as it is understood that that is not the whole solution by any means.</p><p>
When I was in Maine last summer, I got the impression that the lobsterers were quite proud of themselves, regarding how reasonably and sustainably they were managing that fishery. &nbsp;I have no reason to doubt them, but could not help suspecting that something else in the ecosystem was paying a price.

<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by SMLowry</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 09:48:38 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I think, as with anything</strong></p><p>that there are fishers and then there are fishers. What I'd like to see is a breakdown of small fishers compared to large and mega. Fishing as a way of life is a whole cultural thing in Maine and other states with coastlines, that goes way back and I hate to see that ruined when it's the big guys who are doing the harm. But I don't know if there's even enough to sustain the small guys. And of course some waters are being better managed than others. The whole thing just sucks.</p>
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				<p><strong>I think, as with anything</strong></p><p>that there are fishers and then there are fishers. What I'd like to see is a breakdown of small fishers compared to large and mega. Fishing as a way of life is a whole cultural thing in Maine and other states with coastlines, that goes way back and I hate to see that ruined when it's the big guys who are doing the harm. But I don't know if there's even enough to sustain the small guys. And of course some waters are being better managed than others. The whole thing just sucks.</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by bookerly</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2006 18:58:01 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>So, when people talk about whaling..</strong></p><p></p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;They should read this information. &nbsp;Especially those who think the practice is sustainable.</p><p>
patrick</p>
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				<p><strong>So, when people talk about whaling..</strong></p><p></p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;They should read this information. &nbsp;Especially those who think the practice is sustainable.</p><p>
patrick</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by atreyger</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 02:13:44 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>bookerly</strong></p><p>Your conclusion is erroneous, as the fisheries are not 'whaleries'. Clearly the populations of whales are rebounding, while fisheries (such as North Atlantic cod) are not. There is no direct link between the above article and whaling, outside of general habitat destruction that humans are causing.</p>
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				<p><strong>bookerly</strong></p><p>Your conclusion is erroneous, as the fisheries are not 'whaleries'. Clearly the populations of whales are rebounding, while fisheries (such as North Atlantic cod) are not. There is no direct link between the above article and whaling, outside of general habitat destruction that humans are causing.</p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by bookerly</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 18:35:27 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Hmmmm</strong></p><p><br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;And if most of the fish die, do you think that the whales will be just fine?</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;I wouldn't make book on it.</p><p>
patrick</br></p>
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				<p><strong>Hmmmm</strong></p><p><br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;And if most of the fish die, do you think that the whales will be just fine?</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;I wouldn't make book on it.</p><p>
patrick</br></p>
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