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'Bout the Bullet

DOI takes public comment on allowing loaded guns in national parks

Posted at 2:50 PM on 01 May 2008

No hunting sign.
The Interior Department has officially proposed allowing concealed firearms into some national parks and wildlife refuges. State laws against carrying loaded guns into parks would supersede the new rule: thus, for example, visitors to Death Valley National Park could tote a gun in the Nevada portion of the park, but not on the California side. As expected, opinions vary on the matter. Critics say that a person is more likely to be struck by lightning than to be a victim of a violent crime in a national park; the proposal, says Bill Wade of the Coalition of National Park Service Retirees, is "a politically driven effort to solve a problem that doesn't exist." Gun-rights advocates are, of course, in favor of the change. "[I]t just doesn't make sense to assume that there's some kind of mystical bubble around national parks where your safety isn't an issue," says Kevin Starrett of the Oregon Firearms Federation. The Interior Department will take public comment on the proposal for 60 days.

sources:  Associated Press, The Oregonian, Missoulian, The News Tribune
comment on the proposal:  General Regulations for Areas Administered by the National Park Service and the Fish and Wildlife Service

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Concealed firearms?

"[I]t just doesn't make sense to assume that there's some kind of mystical bubble around national parks where your safety isn't an issue," says Kevin Starrett of the Oregon Firearms Federation.

I agree with this dude whole-heartedly.  I am concerned about my safty in national parks.  That's why I don't want people to have concealed guns.  Seems pretty logical to me...

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Parks and Guns

GoodCheer says:
'I agree with this dude whole-heartedly.  I am concerned about my (sic)safty in national parks.  That's why I don't want people to have concealed guns.  Seems pretty logical to me...'

Uh, have you done a check recently with your local drug-dealer's association? People who are into breaking the law, thus those who would be a threat to your safety, DON'T OBEY LAWS. That's why we call them criminals.

The only people affected by laws banning the possesion of firearms, under whatever the circumstances, are the law-abiding. If you wish to be a disarmed, helpless victim of crime, that's your right in a free society. Taking away the option of self-defense is not your right.

Children have no rights...

Taking away the option of self-defense is not your right.

Nor is it the right of the several thousand of innocent children who accidentally shoot themselves with their parent's handguns every year.


poaching potential

shouldn't we be concerned about people harming the animals found in national parks? I don't mean to sound like I don't care about the potential harm to humans, but I would prefer to not see people running around shooting at whatever moves, animals included.

Give 'em guns

at the gates if they don't have them already. Why not just make the national parks free-fire zones where shooting others is legal while we're at it.

National Parks used to be on the short list of places you could go in the wilderness without being hazarded by gun nuts with automatic weapons in cammies. Ask any woman how she would feel about backpacking if she knew that guns were being allowed into the backcountry.

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Confusion

Irresponsible adults are responsible for children shooting themselves with their parents guns.
 I am not in favor of CONCEALED guns in national parks.The only people affected by laws banning the possesion of firearms, under whatever the circumstances, are the law-abiding. If you wish to be a disarmed, helpless victim of crime, that's your right in a free society. Taking away the option of self-defense is not your right. I can agree with this person.
 There are going to be many battles in this country and the world over clean water and food.If you can not protect yourself.You will die!You may think that my thinking is radical.Read the news of the world and see that riots over food and water are becoming common.This will happen in this country also.You may say,Oh no not here,maybe Africa or Asia,but not hear.Don't delude yourself.You have to eat and have water and you will do what needs to be done. Watch the world news and see!!!

Why not ask why!?
Please...

Outside of a lot of fear-mongering, nobody's demonstrated a need for concealed carry within National Parks, and having twice been threatened by guns in the wilderness, I certainly understand why park police are against the regulation changes.

As much as people would like to believe otherwise, allowing loaded firearms in the National Parks will result in a less-safe environment -- for people and animals.

Loaded firearms in National Parks

Why is this even an issue? Should people who frequent National Parks expect to be accosted by violent wildlife, including humans?
Humans who plan to prey on other humans should know that humans who go to National Parks don't have particularly valuable assets on hand.

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Victim of crime?...

...that argument could work...were it not for the fact that National Parks have notoriously low crime rates, and that a good deal of what little crime they do have involving guns has been almost entirely poaching related or have been actions taken against park rangers.

Recipe for disaster

I am a proud gun owner and hunter and I have to say I think that having guns in parks is a bad idea.

Unfortunately, many people who come to these parks can get bored and some consume alcohol and then you can actually see when some peoples brains turn off.

I have seen the aftermath when one group of jerks hacked at a live aspen tree with a knife until they practically cut it in two. And even in areas where guns are permitted, I've seen evidence of them shooting up trees, etc.

This is a very dangerous practice, I guess go ahead and allow guns if you must, but confiscate peoples alcohol at the park gates. I think if they had to choose between booze and packing heat, they'll leave the guns at home.

"For as long as space endures, and for as long as living beings remain, until then may I too abide, to dispel the misery of the world." - Shantideva

It must be an election year

As many have pointed out, this is purely polarized, political hype from the NRA to address a need that doesnt exist. The National Association of Park Rangers, the Coalition of Retired National Park Service Employees, and the Ranger Lodge of the Fraternal Order of Police are all opposed to this bill b/c of the increased danger to the public, park staff, and of course wildlife.

If you really want to do something to improve safety in parks and free up some of the rangers' time so they might actually get back to interpretive work w/ the public, consider the funding shortfalls that the Park Service is facing: 35% or $600 million per year ( http://www.npca.org/media_center/reports/analysis.html ). This doesnt include land acquisition shortages which have increased the complexity of management and left large gaps in parks open to potential development ( http://www.npca.org/landforsale/ ).

We NEED protection

I'm coming to this debate late, but I want to say there are several good reasons FOR allowing loaded CCW in National Parks. First of all, there are plenty of loaded weapons already IN the parks. Criminals, drug and illegal alien smugglers, poachers and other anti-social types have plenty of guns and won't hesitate to use them on unarmed, defenceless tourists. Also there is always the slight chance of meeting a rabid animal, a poisonous snake or the like. I'm not a gung-ho, "shoot everything that moves" type, but I do believe in defending myself and my family in need.

Keeping it real...

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