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That's One Expensive Hamburger

PETA offers $1 million for commercially viable test-tube meat

Posted at 5:17 PM on 21 Apr 2008

PETA thinks the idea of test-tube meat looks like a million bucks. Literally. The outspoken animal-rights group is offering a cool one mil to the "first person to come up with a method to produce commercially viable quantities of in vitro meat at competitive prices by 2012." The idea caused "a near civil war in our office," says PETA founder Ingrid Newkirk, adding, "We will have members leave us over this." But in the end, she says, "We don't mind taking uncomfortable positions if it means that fewer animals suffer."

source:  The New York Times

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Not a peta supporter - but ...

I am not a peta supporter, but if this is a real effort to limit animal cruelty, than yes, I would support them. The only problem I have is that this maybe just another attention seeking ploy for Peta. - I am a strong ethical vegan, and I often feel that peta, need to invest more money into making vegan products, and marketing them, versus have Hollywood trash acting as role model.

It would be more beneficial, educational and powerful to have vegan detergent/makeup/clothes etc.. (no animal products nor animal tested) and sell in the mainstream business market, versus showcasing big booby Pamela Anderson.

However, if they are doing this for real, than sure I am all for it. As our current foods are so far from being natural, -I think it would be better for people to eat lab meat than a real animal. - Sure local and organic is great, (I buy most of my foods), but really if a animal is sick, than it doe snot matter about the mileage nor the geography of the animal.


extrapolation

If test tube meat is a solution as far as eating animals is concerned, is it also a solution as far as eating people is concerned? Will test tube human steaks be next and perfectly acceptable?

extrapolation

slippery slope

unintended consequences

frankenfood


Wackatalpide: - do you take meds?

Wackatalpide:

Did you have the same concerns of "slippery slope" when test tube babies were created, or how about the advancement of when med's occured, or what about life support machines, were at the hospitals throwning up your hands and protesting about those things?

Please do not get all "ethical" now, if you take med's than you have already been part of that slippery slope for many years now!

And whatever foods you are eating right now, is probably modified from its original source. Unless you grow every single thing yourself, you will never know exactly how "frankenfood" your food really is?

just sayin'

we don't eat people because it is just not right

we don't eat eagles because it is just not right

if test tube beef is okay

then is all meat fair game?

exotic test tube steak okay?

well, who decides which animals you can eat?

Firstly, I don't eat people nor animals. But see societ yhas a way of creating its own rules. Those can come form culture or religion or politics. Example most Americans will never knowingly eat dogs, but in China, dogs are eaten everyday.

So if test tube dog occurs, most american will not eat it, but the most people in china will "wolf" it down without a second thought!

Many people get sick form eating animals today, and thats their choice, so if they want eat test tube meat, - go for it!

I just want the cruelty towards animals (including humans to stop).

Could Stop Or Decrease Ecological Harms

Animal husbandry is very ecologically destructive, beginning with the massive damage the cattle industry has done and is still doing to the western U.S.  Unlike Java, I do support PETA, though my concern is with stopping torture of animals in labs, not their other issues.

So if domestic animal food can be replaced with test tube animal food, GREAT!  It would relieve our battered planet of one of the many harms that humans cause by eliminating animal husbandry.

Mushrooms

Taste better, grow on compost, straw or balks of timber and have a fair bit of protein if not always complete. If we're going to eat lab grown protein eat the best.

The ecological point of eating meat is that "meat animals" convert otherwise inedible bits of the landscape into edible bits. Even with otherwise vegetarian staples like apples the use of geese and pigs sharing the orchard improve the productivity and health of that little corner of the biome.

Grain, hay or silage production may not always be the best use of any particular chunk of the landscape even if meat calories are the goal. We need to investigate what all the options are.

Lab grown meat is interesting but ultimately silly.

Put the Carbon Back

Reduce animal husbandry?

I doubt animal husbandry would be eliminated; after all, even plants needs seeds to start with. In vitro methods require inputs as well, and the animal muscle will need to come from somewhere.  Perhaps muscle cells could be grown from a starter culture of live muscle cells - I don't know, there is really no data on the technology on the In Vitro Meat website.

I tend to be suspicious of these things. Granted it would be a boon if fewer animals could suffer and/or die in order to feed meat-eating humans. PETA tend to applaud any time a new in vitro methodology is proposed, or accepted, in drug safety testing, but in vitro methodology can be very tricky.  Some cells are notoriously fickle, and require 'fresh' cells (il.e. a recently dead animal) while others can operate well on frozen cells which can be stored for quite a long time.  Some of the in vitro tests used in drug safety testing that PETA applauds don't actually use fewer animal numbers, and the results are generally less conclusive, often necessitating a follow-up animal study, which then just increases animal use.

There is also the carbon-impact of large labs churning out test-tube meat, although I suppose the methane from cows may 'offset' any carbon impacts if fewer animals are truly used. Might it not be better to simply raised pastured animals, humanely, that can turn grass, sunlight & water into protein?

hmm

Most Chinese wont eat dog

won't eat dogs or chimps

they are smart and sensitive animals

but test tube dog or chimp may be good!

i'd try it

no cruelty involved

i'd also try test tube california condor drumsticks

what would you try?

from a vat, we may get slabs of humming bird muscle or cat roasts

the imagination runs wild wild wild

everything would literally be on the table

OMFG!

a biopsy here and a biopsy there

grow it up in a vat

and you could serve yourself for dinner!

amaze and shock and creep out your friends

it will be the latest trend for the wealthy

a few pounds of meat, millions of dollars

the look on their faces when you tell them what it is, priceless

Lizards...

...sometimes have tails that snap off at no major cost to the lizard in question.

Now if we could only GMO a bison so that dozens of ostrich wings grew out of  it's hide attached with that lizard connection. You'd get the usefulness of the bison's super-efficient digestive system with plenty of renewable meat. Just snap a few off when they're full grown and send the beastie back out into the field.

Buffalo wings. Yum.

Put the Carbon Back

Kmp

Animal husbandry is totally unnatural and very ecologically destructive.  "Might it not be better to simply raised pastured animals, humanely, that can turn grass, sunlight & water into protein?"  No, not at all.  The idyllic fantasy of pastured animals totally ignores the ecological harms they cause and the unnatural way they're forced to live.  These are non-native, unnatural animals that are wreaking havoc on ecosystems.  They are bred and raised to eat, and little if any consideration is given to their welfare, let alone  to any freedom they should enjoy.

What would be far better would be for humans to consume a lot less meat, and to limit that consumption to wild meat, like fish and venison.  That would be much better for the environment AND the animals.

But that is not

what this story is about.  It is about test-tube manufactured meat being "better."

Let's say a have a veggie garden in my suburban backyard.  Let's say I also have some chickens.. I don't know, about a dozen of them.  I let the chickens control bugs, manage weeds, keep me from having to cut the grass in the remnants of my traditional lawn, and eat my kitchen scraps and excess whey from my  homemade mozzarella.  In return, they provide me with eggs, fertilizer, and every now and then, a chicken dinner.  You're saying that this is worse for the environment, and the animals, than me killing & eating a local deer? And, it's worse than test-tube beef?

I know that the above scenario represents an extremely low percentage of where your average American gets their meat.  I know that conventional means of raising meat animals are destructive, inhumane and basically horrid. I know that humans need to eat much less meat (and fish, for that matter).  What I'm saying is that there seem to be better options for PETA to encourage than test-tube hamburgers.

the PETA prize is meaningless

  1. It is not an expensive hamburger because the prize is for fried chicken substitute. Must pass a taste test with fried chicken recipe

  2. Prize winner must be selling retail in 10 states to win with competitive price.

If one could do those things then the 1 million prize is chump change. KFC chain sells $12.2 billion  of which most is fried chicken. (fries, sides and sodas too). 5-10 minutes for $1 million in fried chicken sales. Even single store average is $1 million in sales per year.

Chicken is one of the cheaper meats, which is why the industry is going for ground beef and pork first. Easier to sub out ground meat and they are more expensive per pound than chicken.

yummers

I wish someone could bring back the Moa, imagine a big fat moa steak or a deepfried moa leg, heck mabye someone could bread deep fry a whole one for Thanksgiving.  Seriously though, Moa's got to be the coolest animal mankind has killed off so far

Check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxtZHOE4ScY

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moa

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