Comments Bob B has made
Uncertainty agenda
David, the consensus is only as good as the last good measurement. One data point can turn any "theory" into a falsehood. At first quantum theory was not accepted as consensus. Einstein refused to accept some conclusions from quantum mechanics. Recent measurements using delayed choice experiments with photons show "spooky " action at a distance is verified.
Evolution is still a theory, but the data coming from fossils still point to evolution as being a viable theory. But then again one discovery in the future could possibly negate that? As far as gravitational waves, string theory etc need to be verified. If a theory can never be verified one could argue it is useless.
One exciting experiment due to be run soon at CERN could verify the theory of cloud formation due to high energy particles. If CRF does indeed change cloud cover, then that would go a long way to prove the reasons for the slight global warming. Cloud cover has a huge effect ~15W/M-sq
Climate models are suppose to be valid over decade time scales. It is only now that Hansen's original 1988 simulations have shown to be wrong. So what are the consequences for that? None he goes around like a loon talking now about tipping points and that we are all going to die. Why should we believe him now?
So for a journalists, the way I see it is to report on real DATA. Keep away from speculation and keep politics out of science and keep activists like Hansen out of positions where he has huge conflicts of interest.
Follow the money. search out who or how people would benifit from public funding. On Journalists need to evaluate strength of scientific consensus posted 1 year, 3 months ago 31 ResponsesUncertainty agenda
So David. where are the incontrovertable facts that "PROVE" AGW has caused the recent slight warming over the past ~20yrs?
I'll give you a hint---don;t waste your time--there are none. The only thing holding up the AGW scare are climate models which recently have been shown to not include feedbacks correctly and especially don't simulate could cover,ENSO,PDO,AMO etc.
So please next time don;t be so blustery about skeptics until you get your FACTS straight.On Journalists need to evaluate strength of scientific consensus posted 1 year, 3 months ago 31 Responses
Uncertainty agenda
Come on David--you can do better then that. Please list all the incontrovertable facts that "PROVE" AGW has caused the recent slight warming over the past ~20yrs.On Journalists need to evaluate strength of scientific consensus posted 1 year, 3 months ago 31 Responses
Unceratinty principle
Easy one:
http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3161
http://motls.blogspot.com/2008/06/sherwood-allen-and-radi ...
GCM's in no way match the temperature distributions especially missing is the "HOT SPOT"
On Journalists need to evaluate strength of scientific consensus posted 1 year, 3 months ago 31 ResponsesUncertainty agenda
David-??
As Lakoff puts it, Progressives keep scratching their heads how someone who is given incontrovertible facts
Please elaborate as to what are the incontrovertable facts for AGW--I would just love to see some warmenista list them for me?? LOLOn Journalists need to evaluate strength of scientific consensus posted 1 year, 3 months ago 31 Responses
Ice Melt
Joe, why does it always seem you pick the most alarming data?
Take a look at this data:
http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/5952/seaiceextentri5.jpg ...
Or you can read here:
http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/08/15/arctic-ic ...
No way will 2008 be like 2007On Arctic sea ice declines sharply in August posted 1 year, 3 months ago 9 Responses
Bob B
David, why don;t you do an article on why there is no big fuss among the alarmists that Hansen's 1988 climate modeling has now been proven wrong?
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/HANSEN.JPG
The Earths temps are way below scenario C where CO2 increases stop all together--so much for climate models and the chicken little modelers
The Earth has been cooling and each of the alarmists rants in time will be proven wrong as well.On Journalists need to evaluate strength of scientific consensus posted 1 year, 3 months ago 31 Responses
Bob B
David science is not about trust. But if you are a journalist try this:
Get off your butt and go talk to the many scientists who were once on the AGW gravy train and have announced they are now skeptics. Go Google it and find them and talk to them.On Journalists need to evaluate strength of scientific consensus posted 1 year, 3 months ago 31 Responses
Consensus
Very good question. Journalists usually already know this answer---follow the money--Read the reason why so many meteorologists are climate skeptics:
Aug 11, 2008
Why Are So Many TV Meteorologists and Weathercasters Climate `Skeptics'?By Bill Dawson
All three staff meteorologists at KLTV, the ABC affiliate broadcasting to the Tyler-Longview-Jacksonville area of Northeast Texas, joined forces last November to deliver an on-air rebuttal of the idea that humans are changing the earth's climate. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, IPCC,
The answer:
Icecap Note: The answer to the writer's question is that they look at real data, know how poorly even short term models perform, tend to be objective and more outspoken and are not being paid
grant money
to think one way. The AMS's actions to try and pressure them to accept the alarmist position and make them evangelists for their main constituency, the academic community where grants pay the bills is a sin against science. It is an abdication of their role as a once great and truly scientific organization. They have become just another advocacy group. It fact advocacy is one of their organization's goals, I guess replacing good science. Good for you TV mets stand up for the truth or at lest for your right to make up your own mind.On Journalists need to evaluate strength of scientific consensus posted 1 year, 3 months ago 31 ResponsesThe uncertainty agenda
Science is NOT about consensus. Thirty years ago the consensus was that stress casued stomach ulcers. It only took ONE scientist to prove ulcers were caused by bacteria.
Recently the Earth has been cooling and climate models are not matching the cooling. The climate models were held up as proof for AGW. That proof will fall apart as the Earth continues to cool.
Witness Hansens's silly model back in 1988--we now know that modeling is wrong!
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/HANSEN.JPGOn Journalists need to evaluate strength of scientific consensus posted 1 year, 3 months ago 31 Responses