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Please define sustainable
The Alaskan pollock shows that marine conservation is steaming straight ahead like the unsinkable Titanic. Pollock were ignored as a valuable catch whilst cod and haddock were abundant so stocks remained extremely healthy, cod and haddock dissappear and they turn to pollock as the sustainable alternative to keep the world in fish fingers. So now pollock are on the verge of collapse, no surprise there. What is totally surprising is the fact that millions of tonnes of pollock can be sold as a sustainable alternative and people believed it.On Most ubiquitous fish in American diet 50 percent below last year's levels posted 1 year, 1 month ago 3 Responses
Puffin decline
I'm afraid the puffin decline has been expected in some quarters, and if the scientists concentrated on the real reason for the decline (overfishing) instead of the 'red herring' of climate change they might finally be able to start implementing a strategy to combat this disaster for the UK's seabirds.
Read 'The North Sea Sandeel Fishery - An Industry of Destruction' the third article featured here - http://www.blueplanetsociety.org/about14.htmlOn Snippets from the news posted 1 year, 4 months ago 1 Response
OVERFISHING
Overfishing must now be seen as a threat to human existence -http://www.blueplanetsociety.org/about14.htmlOn Coral reefs not doing so well posted 1 year, 4 months ago 5 Responses
Oceans in crisis
Our oceans are showing serious signs of distress due to human activity http://www.blueplanetsociety.org/about14.htmlOn Olympic sailing venue battles with massive algae bloom posted 1 year, 4 months ago 8 Responses
Oceans in crisis
Our oceans are now showing the strain of industrial over-exploitation in many ways http://www.blueplanetsociety.org/about14.htmlOn Penguin declines don't bode well for the rest of us posted 1 year, 4 months ago 8 Responses
India
I have spent many months in India and I find this survey hard to believe and the only reason they must score well is that the population is so poor.
Many parts of India are the most polluted place I have seen on earth. The rivers that run through major towns and cities are so polluted they are often BLACK and smell so badly that you have to cover your nose. As they pour into the ocean there is no life for miles at the river mouth.
India is an amazing and unique country, and I highly recommend a trip, but to call India 'Green' is absolutely laughable.On Brazilians and Indians are the greenest, says survey posted 1 year, 6 months ago 9 Responses
Boris
Boris is very well known in Britain. He is a member of parliament for Henley, has written books, was the editor of the Spectator magazine and has hosted satirical TV programmes.
He is much more intelligent than he acts (he has the air of a scatterbrained scientist) but is very prone to gaffes. He once famously said that the city of Liverpool was 'wallowing' in self pity after Iraq hostage and Liverpudlian Kenneth Bigley was decapitated by extremists, and was forced by his political party to go to Liverpool to apologise.
Personally I think he will make a good mayor but he may not push the radical green issues Ken Livingstone was famous for.On What will London's new mayor, Boris Johnson, do for the environment? posted 1 year, 6 months ago 5 Responses
Brown
Please don't expect to make any sense out of our wishy-washy, smarmy, spin-obsessed moron of a Prime Minister. He will say anything to anyone of he thinks it will help him.
May I apologise on behalf of the British people for inflicting this man on America. :-)On British prime minister chats climate with Bush posted 1 year, 7 months ago 5 Responses
Overfishing
'The End of The Line - How overfishing is changing the world and what we eat' by Charles Clover is a very good read.On Voting is open for the Orion Readers' Choice Award posted 1 year, 8 months ago 4 Responses
Overfishing
Not satisfied with taking too many salmon we must now kill the animals that depend upon them for food.
If another animal is feeding on fish that have been overfished by man, this should automatically qualify them for protection from culling.
To kill an animal because we have depleted their food source is immoral.On State officials given OK to kill sea lions to protect salmon posted 1 year, 8 months ago 8 Responses
Sharks
I see that in some circles it is still considered macho and clever to kill sharks for sport - http://www.underwatertimes.com
Surely if sharks are to have any chance of long term survival this sort of activity must have to become totally unacceptable to the majority of people?
http://www.blueplanetsociety.orgOn Friendly cetaceans and smelly algae posted 1 year, 8 months ago 15 Responses
Blair
I wonder how much the illegal Iraq war increased global warming?
I see that he has failed as a Middle East Peace Envoy so he's trying something a bit easier - solving global warming.
You can't be all things to all men Tony.On Tony Blair to lead international climate team posted 1 year, 8 months ago 11 Responses
American Bias?
Do I detect a bit of American bias in this American study? The Gulf of Mexico which is shallow, has experienced dead-zones, chronic overfishing and oil extraction appears to be no more affected than much of the rest of the world's seas. Conversely the North Sea, which despite the rumours still has some cod, has never had any dead-zones, has EU blue-flag beaches, some of the largest seabird colonies on earth, is made out to be the worst place on earth for marine conservation.
Granted it isn't in the best shape, but I am slightly suspicious that the same levels of polluting activity are not shown up on this map around some areas of the coast of the world's largest industrial polluter.On Nearly all of world's oceans tainted by human activity, says study posted 1 year, 9 months ago 4 Responses
Now it just needs protection
What is now needed is for conservation groups to raise or donate funds for this marine reserve to be properly protected. It will need boats and manpower. Oceana, Greenpeace, Sea Shepherd, I don't want you to divert your attention from those media friendly whales but waht about starting a fund for Kiribati?On Tiny island nation of Kiribati creates world's largest marine reserve posted 1 year, 9 months ago 2 Responses
Livingston's Green Folly
London, a city with a population the size of Israel, is being run by a fraudster with a grudge against the middle-class, not some eco-warrior as he'd have you believe.
The new 'congestion' charge of twenty-five pounds ($50) aimed at vehicles which emit 220g or more of CO2 per km or have an engine size above three litres has nothing to do with climate change, but more to do with a class war.
I'm all for saving the environment but Livingston's plans for a greener London just don't add up. This move will add more cars to our roads, not less.
Does Livingston think that Range Rover drivers are going to give up their beloved cars? All they are going to do is buy another car that doesn't have to pay the charge, whilst using the Range Rover for trips to the country on the weekend.
So what we end up with is more cars manufactured and more cars in and around London, causing much more pollution.
It makes even less sense when you consider that Livingston presides over the most expensive metropolitan transport system in the world, two pounds ($4) for a single bus and four pounds and fifty pence ($9) for a single underground journey, putting paid to any myth that he is trying to create a greener city.
Something needs to be done, but not like this, and not by Livingston, London's Hugo Chavez wannabe.On London mayor triples fee for most-polluting cars entering city center posted 1 year, 9 months ago 4 Responses
Sustainability
MSC certification will not be worth the paper it's written on if they allow this fishery to be certified, so if Sainsbury's are going to use the MSC as a benchmark there is no way 'sustainability' can be proved.
"The Marine Stewardship Council (MSC) today (11th Feb) announced that the Pelagic Freezer-trawler Association (PFA) North East Atlantic mackerel fishery has applied for assessment to the MSC standard for sustainable fishing."On Hungry humpheads and sustainable fish in U.K. groceries posted 1 year, 9 months ago 15 Responses
London
London is no longer 'notoriously smoggy' and hasn't been for about 30 years. It was already one of the least polluted big cities in the world.
Ambulances and buses will not be charged, they are all modern and meet emission guidlines. Large hauliers are all equipped to EU emissions standards. The only people this will effect will be struggling small businesses with older vehicles.On Polluting vehicles must pay to drive in London under new scheme posted 1 year, 9 months ago 4 Responses
Jishica
"Someday we'll be fishing so far down the foodchain......" Here in the UK (we don't have an Alaska) we are moving down the fish foodchain faster than the fish can be marketed to us. Wild salmon have all but gone, cod and haddock are now a luxury, and sea bass, herring and mackerel are fast becoming a treat.
Your Alaskan pollack and previously lobster-bait fish such as gurnard are now being sold to us as the 'sustainable' alternative. But how can species like pollack sustainably fill the gap that so many other once plentiful fish filled? The answer is they can't and as you rightly say we will just chomp our way down the foodchain 'til there's nothing left. On California's chinook salmon population near "unprecedented collapse" posted 1 year, 10 months ago 5 ResponsesDon't worry, it's only a fish
A population of animals declines by 90% over a five year period and they might 'possibly' consider an outright ban?
Would you ever see such greed and stupidity with any animal other than fish? On California's chinook salmon population near "unprecedented collapse" posted 1 year, 10 months ago 5 Responses
But seriously..............
Granted it's the sushi industry that's the butt of this joke but if this was global warming it wouldn't be so easy to satire would it? Why? Because every politician has a policy on climate change. Overfishing and marine pollution are easily as big a threat to our planet as global warming and it would be refreshing to see one of these candidates make a serious comment about this less galmorous but equally important issue.On NYT satire gives candidates' alleged responses to the fish 'n' mercury issue posted 1 year, 10 months ago 4 Responses
Krill Oil
There is a worrying trend towards harvesting krill in large quantities. As the largest biomass on earth apparently, surely it will not be long before someone decides that this is an economical and readily available source of fuel?
It must not be allowed to happen.On Where will biofuels and biomass feedstocks come from? posted 1 year, 10 months ago 16 Responses
SS and GP
I normally do not agree with Sea Shepherd's tactics but on this one they have got it right and stolen GP's thunder big-time.
Yes I know of the TV crews on Esperanza, the same ones who had to start their broadcasts off 'I'm on the Greenpeace ship......' and then spend the whole time talking about SS.
My only concern is that GP might be becoming a little too corporate, the Big Green to IBM's Big Blue, if you get my drift. I would like to see them taking a few more risks and being more creative, it is after all what they became famous for.On Sonar gets presidential pardon, seas more violent posted 1 year, 10 months ago 28 Responses
Sea Shepherd and Greenpeace
It is exactly this kind of activity that will keep whaling on the agenda. Sea Shepherd have for once attracted attention to their cause without too much 'violent' action.
The media coverage has been full of praise for these actions, and although the Japanese acted with restraint, they are still seen as the 'provocateurs' in this.
I'm afraid there will not be much interest in whaling for the mainstream media if the ships of conservation groups just follow the whaling fleet like some cold war Russian trawler.On Sonar gets presidential pardon, seas more violent posted 1 year, 10 months ago 28 Responses
Anthropocentric resource
The fact that wild marine animals are treated as a commercial resource and (generally) wild land animals aren't is at the crux of the problem.
Where a considerable value has been placed on a wild land animal (ivory, horn, fur, bone etc.) they have almost invariably been driven to the brink of extinction. Massive publicity (followed by a lot of money) saved the rhino and the elephant, will it save the tuna? No, because they are seen as a commodity, and not just by poachers, but entire peoples.
The perception that it is OK to eat endangered fish but not endangered land animals needs to change drastically worldwide before we can seriously conserve marine species.On There's a large human cost to subsidizing European fishing fleets in West Africa posted 1 year, 10 months ago 16 Responses
Sustainability
You are so right.
Can you answer this then - why does the MSC exist? Surely, by their definition sustainable means plentiful, and when the population (Alaskan pollock?) has been 'sustainably' caught and we can't make fishfingers out of them anymore we shall move onto another plentiful fish species (wrasse?).
Cod were more than sustainable once, even a plague by human standards (remember the passenger pigeon?).
Sustainable to me means leaving the oceans and sea alone to recover, not moving onto last years cheap fish species.On There's a large human cost to subsidizing European fishing fleets in West Africa posted 1 year, 10 months ago 16 Responses
What is overfishing
Your hypothesis might be OK if it was only the mature adults, after they've mated, being overfished. In fact there are very few truly 'mature adults' of any commercial fish species left. If they reach an age where they can reproduce once they are lucky. This can have devastating effects, a mature cod can carry 10x the number of eggs than a juvenile adult can.On There's a large human cost to subsidizing European fishing fleets in West Africa posted 1 year, 10 months ago 16 Responses
Sushi Picket
You should certainly picket sushi restaurants if they have bluefin, marlin, swordfish or grouper on the menu.
I've had great success with Chinese restaurants and sharkfin soup in my area and now beyond. Everytime I pass one with it on the menu I pop in and have a word with the owner.
As they generally don't sell huge quantities of sharkfin soup they will normally take it off the menu if they think it will damage business in the long-term.
If they refuse, then a well placed poster normally does the trick.
'BIN THE FIN, IT'S A SIN!'On Manatee deaths down, lonely penguin count up by one posted 1 year, 10 months ago 15 Responses
Pakistani ceteceans
Very interesting post.
As to the albino penguin, this relates to cricket not rugby.
One Day (50 overs per side) cricket is played in coloured kit (in the 1980's New Zealand played in beige and brown), as is 20/20 cricket (20 overs per side). Test cricket (3 days or 5 days, unlimited overs) is played in a white kit.
And you thought baseball was comlicated?On Manatee deaths down, lonely penguin count up by one posted 1 year, 10 months ago 15 Responses
Put a Ban on Bluefin
When a single animal is worth more than $55,000 what hope is there left for the species? It is now time to put a worldwide ban on the trade of bluefin tuna and place it on a par with ivory and tiger products. C'mon C.I.T.E.S!
http://www.blueplanetsociety.orgOn Manatee deaths down, lonely penguin count up by one posted 1 year, 10 months ago 15 Responses
2007 Music
You missed two!
Manic Street Preachers: Send Away The Tigers
Radiohead: In RainbowsOn The definitive list, if you're me posted 1 year, 10 months ago 7 Responses2008 Prediction
2008 may well be the year that we finally realise what damage we have done to our oceans and seas through overfishing.
The increased price of tinned tuna, starving marine animals like birds and seals, jellyfish blooms, and the near eradication of some of the most iconic fish of the seas such as bluefin tuna and swordfish will show that overfishing is at least as great a challenge to us as climate change.On 2008 will see another peaceful transfer of power in the U.S. posted 1 year, 11 months ago 20 Responses
Tragedy of the Commons
Isn't it entirely because we have treated and used the oceans "for the benefit of humanity as a whole" that we are in this mess in the first place? Garrett Hardin wrote about it in 1968 in his science paper "The Tragedy of the Commons".
http://www.blueplanetsociety.orgOn What will US ratification mean for health of the oceans? posted 1 year, 11 months ago 7 Responses
Slow, slow, quick
The agreements on deforestation are good, but no binding targets, no reduction in emissions (they won't even peak until 2020). If global warming is as serious issue as we are constantly told where is the urgency?On Countries strike climate deal in Bali posted 1 year, 11 months ago 20 Responses
Fish farming and the extinction of wild salmon
A report in Science magazine concludes that fish farming could drive the Pacific salmon to extinction within 10 years - http://www.blueplanetsociety.org/about4.htmlOn U.S. government wants to boost fish-farming industry posted 1 year, 11 months ago 6 Responses
Blue is the New Green?
It may be easy being green but why don't you try being blue? It's also easier than you think.
http://www.economist.com/daily/columns/greenview/displays ...
http://www.blueplanetsociety.orgOn Michael Gelobter argues that the hair-shirtists need to give it a rest posted 1 year, 11 months ago 3 Responses
It does have to be like this
Closing fisheries is absolutely necessary if you want to fish sustainably in the future. The stocks have been so severely overfished that there are no 'sustainable quotas' for many fish species anymore. If after the fishery has been closed the stocks recover adequately then we might be able to have 'sustainable quotas'.
Here is an example of what overfishing is doing to our seas (even though the experts seem to be being very coy about the 'elephant in the room').
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/20 ...
http://www.blueplanetsociety.org On Better management is needed before closing fisheries is the only option left posted 1 year, 11 months ago 9 Responses
Sustainable seafood
I agree with you AMC, and I have given up eating seafood entirely as well. Until laws are passed that ensures that only the target species are caught, with no colateral damage, no bycatch and no discards, I am not convinced that any commercial fishing of wild species can be sustainable, whether MSC certified or not.
This will of course increase the price of seafood dramatically, but no wild animal should be cheap and if we are prepared to do it for organic vegetables then we should do it for fish.On Bycatch is the ugliest thing you never see in the fish market posted 1 year, 11 months ago 15 ResponsesBycatch and discarding are criminal
Here is a quote that jsut about sums it up for me -
"Imagine what people would say if a band of hunters strung a mile of net between two immense all-terrain vehicles and dragged it at speed across the plains of Africa. This fantastical assemblage, like something from a Mad Max movie, would scoop up everything in its way: predators such as lions and cheetahs, lumbering endangered hebivores, such as rhinos and elephants, herds of impala and wildebeast, family groups of warthog and wild dog. Pregnant females would be swept up and carried along, with only the smallest juveniles able to wriggle through the mesh.......There are no markets for about a third of the animals they have caught because they don't taste too good, or because they are too small or too squashed. This pile of corpses is dumped on the plain to be consumed by carrion."
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On Bycatch is the ugliest thing you never see in the fish market posted 1 year, 11 months ago 15 ResponsesSexing up the story
If the 16 US spy agencies have come to the conclusion that Iran hasn't been trying to aquire a nuclear weapon since 2003 who has been briefing GW and his hawkish cronies?
It is well known that this information only reaches the public months after the results are known but all we've been hearing is that Iran is a threat to global security.
I smell a rat. This change of approach must have more to do with US policy than Iran and its ability to produce a weapon of mass destruction, but what exactly does the US Government have in store? It is precisely this kind of 'spin' that has made the US a global laughing stock and bolstered the ranks of muslim fundamentalism. On Remember how we urgently need to bomb Iran to destroy their active nuclear weapons program? posted 1 year, 12 months ago 2 ResponsesPlans
The good news is that the awareness regarding sustainable fishing is moving in the right direction. However, quotas for endangered stocks are still ridiculously optimistic and Govt's are still too scared of taking the action needed to regulate their fishing industries as they fear a backlash from these communities.
As with most campaigns the momentum needs to come from people, people choosing not to eat non-sustainable seafood, and people telling their Govt's that action regarding marine reserves is a vote and economic winner.
A wholesale change of heart regards our oceans wildlife, such as happened with land conservation in the 1960's may just save our oceans from turning into ecological deserts.On Greens need to learn how to celebrate their friends and their movement posted 1 year, 12 months ago 31 ResponsesWell done, now let's tackle overfishing
Climate change may well be the biggest challenge humans have ever faced but overfishing and the general abuse of our oceans comes a close second. Whilst great strides have been made with climate change, endangered wild marine animals are still slaughtered in their millions, killing 2/3rds of the world's ecosystems. Both these immense challenges should be tackled with equal tenacity.
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On Greens need to learn how to celebrate their friends and their movement posted 1 year, 12 months ago 31 ResponsesMarine Reserves Earn Twice As Much
The news that coastal villages in Asia that had created no-take zones for fishing had double the income of villages that didn't, shows that it's not just the fish that benefit from marine conservation.
For more go to News at http://www.blueplanetsociety.orgOn Rogue flying fish and the 'big, blue rubbish bin' posted 1 year, 12 months ago 10 Responses
Climate clarity
How can someone judge if the climate change message is getting across clearly if they cannot communicate themselves? The jargon and confusing English in this statement is obviously designed for the bureaucrats with the time to decipher it.
What would be of great help is if people at the IIED learned to write in plain English.
http://www.blueplanetsociety.orgOn New briefing finds improvement but new challenges for climate reporting posted 1 year, 12 months ago 5 Responses
Overfishing
I completely agree with you that these jellyfish blooms are caused by overfishing. Immature jellyfish are zooplankton and what eats zooplankton? Fish. The same fish that would normally feed our seabirds and their chicks. It is no coincidence that our seabirds are failing to breed successfully due to lack of food and we are now having huge blooms of jellyfish.
http://www.blueplanetsociety.orgOn An influx of jellies in strange places is not so hard to explain posted 2 years ago 6 Responses